Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread Darrell Bellerive
Well written Ron! On Tuesday 13 November 2007 19:48, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Consider a center fed wire. At the frequency where the wire is at 1/2 > wavelength long the impedance at the center is usually about 50 ohms (in > free space it would be 75 ohms, but as one moves close to the earth, the

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 11/13/07 3:19:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Almost universally, there seems to be > no recognition that even though the feedline is matched at the radio, > it is indeed NOT matched beyond the tuner. The feedline can see > humongous mismatch (hi

RE: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
There's another issue that leads to greater feed line efficiency in addition to the points Jack made: keeping the SWR relatively low. That is, less than, say, 15:1 or less. All feed lines become lossy at high SWRs. One reason, as Jack mentioned, is the likelihood of dielectric breakdown. That's usu

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread Jack Brindle
This whole discussion amazes me. Almost universally, there seems to be no recognition that even though the feedline is matched at the radio, it is indeed NOT matched beyond the tuner. The feedline can see humongous mismatch (high SWR) and the operator doesn't know because the tuner hides it

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread AJSOENKE
If you haveever tried to remove housepaint from a coax, black or whatever, you'll know that best way to match the coax to the house is to paint it with your color of choice. I have a 45 year old Moseley vertical ant that I paint with latex exterior paint and it lasts until you take it off. Plea

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Person
Don and All, I agree that many of the RG-59 and RG-6 coax available will work just fine. In two cases I found RG-59 CATV-type coax purchased at a big box store that showed real signs of heat-stress after a few months of operation at 100+ watts. My observation is that quality and suitability

RE: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-13 Thread N2TK, Tony
You can slip the black coax inside a white tube such as white plastic tubing at Home Depot for water lines. Or use white RG6. It is low loss and even though 75 ohm it will work quite well. I use it for 80 and 160M with 1500W. I don't think it will last as long outside as coax made to be UV resista

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Don Wilhelm
Doug, I beg to differ. There are physical properties that give rise to the characteristic impedance which are related to the dielectric properties and the relative conductor diameters for the center conductor and the braid. These same properties will create a particular RF voltage handling

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Doug Person
There are many types of cable designated RG-6 and RG-59. Many are not designed to handle rf voltages typical of ham transmissions. My suggestion is to be *careful* what you select. Good quality RG-59, the type broadly used by hams many years ago, is hard to find right now. We're not talking

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
HUH??? So cable companies are not transmitting down those lines? RG-6 cable can handle about 800 watts at 50mhz. On 11/12/07 6:00 PM, "Doug Person" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would be very careful about only using coax that is rated for RF > transmission. TV/CATV type RG-6 and RG-59 are d

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Phil Kane
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:08:11 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: >This is a little known fact - 75 ohm coax has less loss than >comparable 50 ohm coax, and even with a 1.5 SWR, the increased >loss will not be sufficient to bring the total loss to that of >the 50 ohm coax. Besides, the 75 ohm coax is usually

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Don Wilhelm
Art, I would use the RG6 coax which is commonly available at Home Depot and Lowes. If you want to use PL-259 connectors, the adapters for RG59/RG8X will normally fit. Even though it is 75 ohm, and in a 50 ohm system will operate with an SWR of 1.5 - if you look at the loss figures carefully

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Doug Person
I would be very careful about only using coax that is rated for RF transmission. TV/CATV type RG-6 and RG-59 are designed for VHF/UHF reception only. Doug -- K0DXV Kenneth E. Harker wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 03:50:14PM -0800, Art Horne wrote: Greetings, Can anyone recommend a W

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread rrkrr
Art, The reason most coax outer jackets are black is to slow breakdown of the plastic material by UV rays. There is not much coax designed for outdoor use that is not either black or possessed of a solid metal outer conductor. You could try getting your hands on some coax hardline of the cab

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
There is also RG-213 in clear jacket, with silver braid. It is usually very low loss and often used for low-GHz applications. Leigh/WA5ZNU Art K6KFH: Greetings, Can anyone recommend a WHITE coax for antenna lead of about 40-50' ? My XYL is very fussy about wires showing and black sticks o

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Kenneth E. Harker
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 03:50:14PM -0800, Art Horne wrote: > Greetings, > > > > Can anyone recommend a WHITE coax for antenna lead of about 40-50? ? My XYL > is very fussy about wires showing and black sticks out like a sore thumb. > Would the coax used by TV cable installers work ok? I?m onl

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
You can find white rg-6 at home depot. This is 75 ohm coax. I would think someone might carry white 58 or 8x if you call around. On 11/12/07 5:06 PM, "Tom Hammond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Art: > > Most (maybe some) marine radio shops regularly use white RG-58 and > RG-8X sized coaxes. >

Re: [Elecraft] Co-ax for the K2

2007-11-12 Thread Tom Hammond
Art: Most (maybe some) marine radio shops regularly use white RG-58 and RG-8X sized coaxes. 73, Tom N0SS At 17:50 11/12/2007, you wrote: Greetings, Can anyone recommend a WHITE coax for antenna lead of about 40-50' ? My XYL is very fussy about wires showing and black sticks out like a