Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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2016-06-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/kia-motors-america-provides-electric-vehicles-advanced-power-energy-program-university-california-irvine/ KIA Motors America provides electric vehicles to the Advanced Power and Energy Program at The University of California, Irvine June 2, 2016 Kia M

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160606

2016-06-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] Croatian Nikola Tesla EV Rally> Sibenik, Krka, Smiljan, Plitvice, Zagreb

2016-06-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts (Charged Magazine)

2016-06-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160606 I assume most people on the EV discussion list have subscribed to CHARGED magazine? It is free to EV insiders (comes every 2 months) and is a great technical mag (no circuits of course), but lots of fluff about all the new EV technology. Not

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house (Microinvetrer RANT)

2016-06-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> There are other better ways of avoiding inefficiency, I think. > One is that many panels are set up in series, which means > that if any one cell is covered by shade, the output of the > entire system is reduced RANT ON: True in paper-theory, but this is oft' repeated hogwash sales pitch by sal

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Buddy Mills via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Sanity check: The only reason to build off-grid is if the Power Company wants more than $15,000 to run the lines to your house. If you are near the lines, and for some reason insist on not connecting, then you will be wasting $2 of every $3 your solar investment on batteries and maintenance for t

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Roland via EV wrote: A dead 12 volt battery is the problem when you have your control circuits in your EV run by 12 volts. My first EV that I received back in 1976 and still have it today, uses LINE voltage to run all the control circuits. LINE voltage is the same voltage as the main battery.

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Jun 2016 at 8:03, Roland via EV wrote: > My first EV that I received back in 1976 and still have it today, uses > LINE voltage to run all the control circuits. LINE voltage is the same > voltage as the main battery ... > My EV control voltage was ran off a Honey Well motor generator that wa

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Mon Jun 06 08:44:58 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >I've wondered about this as well. Why keep the legacy 12v battery in an >EV? Design all the lights, motors, and electronics to run on pack >voltage, and eliminate the 12v battery, its charging circuits, and problems. Putting 300VDC at the fi

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote: Mike is correct - a single old inefficient panel can draw a sustained arc an inch or longer. Some decent sized farms have burned down because you can't just turn off the sun. There are important safety concern to learn about. 120v DC was used for power distribution in

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Another reason is that you can reduce the capacity of your dc-dc converter. Running lights, A/C, windshield wipers, fans, brake pump, power steering, etc. all at once is a large current draw. But a single high current 12V battery can handle that and keep those devices powered for a long while

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV
es are essentially connected in > >parallel for float charging, etc. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mike Nickerson wrote: Hi Lee, I don't think that is how in rush current limiters work. I use them to protect my DC-DC converter caps so they don't get whacked with a high in rush current when the connection is first made. You're right. My explanation was not at all clear. I was staying up to

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
John Lussmyer wrote: Putting 300VDC at the fingertips of the driver and passengers? Note that normal 240vac has a peak of around 340v. High-power accessories like heaters, air conditioners, power steering pumps, etc. could run directly from the 300vdc. They would be hard wired, so consumers

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Jan Minnie via EV
http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attac

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I've never tried this, but I've heard (probably here on the EVDL) of using a PWM DC motor controller for this purpose. You'd probably need an inductor in series with its output to simulate motor inductance, so the controller's current limiting circuit would have time to do its job. David Roden

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Jun 2016 at 8:57, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > Putting 300VDC at the fingertips of the driver and passengers? Doesn't sound > like a good idea. Aren't most all vehicle electrical items switched electronically these days? Everything seems to go through some computer. > Main pack dies

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Alan Brinkman via EV
Jan, For someone new to electric vehicles, and for a majority of conversions, a 12 volt accessory battery is the simple means to power accessories. The car you are converting was built that way, many 12 volt accessories exist and are available at a reasonable cost, no need to make a lot of chan

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
wo batteries are essentially connected in > >parallel for float charging, etc. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread George Tyler via EV
In the early days of switchmode PSU's it was common to use N.T.C. resistors for inrush current limiting, later on we went away from that. Look at PC power supplies from the '80s and '90s at least, they have a 1 Ohm, 5 W resistor in series (for a 230Vac PSU. The problem with an NTC is they stay hot

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Alan Brinkman via EV wrote: For someone new to electric vehicles, and for a majority of conversions, a 12 volt accessory battery is the simple means to power accessories. That's right. The KISS solution is a 12v accessory battery. Even Tesla is using a 12v lead-acid accessory battery. Some

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Why don't you try to connect the two first and see if there is a problem that you want to solve, instead of first building a solution and then finding out that it is not needed at all? That's a good idea. If these are big low-resistance AGMs at significantly diff

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I've never tried this, but I've heard (probably here on the EVDL) of using a PWM DC motor controller for this purpose. You'd probably need an inductor in series with its output to simulate motor inductance, so the controller's current limiting circuit would have

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-06 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV
than its normal rated current to flow > between > > > > > >the batteries. If you try, it just lights up. But when the current is > > >less than this (such as while on standby), the bulb's resistance is > > >LOW. > > >The bulb is out, and the two batteries ar

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: John Lussmyer via EV > > On Mon Jun 06 08:44:58 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >> I've wondered about this as well. Why keep the legacy 12v battery in an >> EV? Design all the lights, motors, and electronics to run on pack >> voltage, and eliminate the 12v battery, its charging circuits

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Jun 2016 at 14:54, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: > Imagine if every little auto-electric goody sold by JC Whitney had to > come in a half-dozen different voltages? Anything as expensive as a > stereo COULD have an integrated, wide-range voltage converter, but > there are a lot of auto gadgets th

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 06/06/2016 03:04 PM, Jan Minnie via EV wrote: I'm new to this and your discussion has me totally confused. What is the verdict? Sep 12v Battery for accessories or not?? You should use a 12 v battery as well as a DC/DC converter or alternator to keep it charged. The 12 volt battery will

Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Barry Oppenheim via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house

2016-06-06 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
   Hi Larry and All,   You sure can charge your EV from solar, even directly if you match the solar and pack voltages.  Or you can go dc to dc or dc-ac and back to dc. On a dc home you can chose low to high voltages.  If you pick around 350vdc solar strin

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house (Microinvetrer RANT)

2016-06-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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2016-06-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

2016-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Is it more expensive to design semiconductors to switch 10 amps at 12 volts, or 0.4 amps at 300 volts? That's not a rhetorical question: I don't know. You generally pay by the watt. Similar price to switch 12v at 100a, or 120v at 10a, etc. You could regulat