Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-04 Thread Michaël Grünewald
Gary Kline a écrit : If this were only true! ...But as I understand it, corporations like the RIAA forbid me from making a backup of a CD or DVD that I *own*. (E.g, a 6-CD set of Shostokovich). While this thread is off-list and is probably annoying many people here, I cannot refrai

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-04 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:25:21PM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Polytropon said the following on 2009-03-03 03:24: > >On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:22:50 +0100, Bernt Hansson > >wrote: > >>FBSD UG skrev: > >>>You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one > >>>Apple computer. > >

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Julian Wissmann
Am 03.03.2009 um 13:40 schrieb Luigi Iannone: This is not right. The US doesn't recognize the judging of any other country according to proskauerguide, nor do any other countries have to recognize US law or judging. You are saying that basically every country that has signed Internation Co

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Luigi Iannone
On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:07 , Charles Oppermann wrote: On Tue March 3 2009 4:40:37 am Luigi Iannone wrote: The EULA states: "This License will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California,.." Since I assume that Sweden has signed international commercial

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Charles Oppermann
On Tue March 3 2009 4:40:37 am Luigi Iannone wrote: > The EULA states: > "This License will be governed by and construed in accordance with the > laws of the State of California,.." > Since I assume that Sweden has signed international commercial > agreements with the USA, I think that it odes not

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread michael
Andrew Gould wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM, michael > wrote: Andrew Gould wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:33 AM, michael mailto:michael.copel...@gmail.com>> wrote: *snip* ...and legalities asi

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM, michael wrote: > Andrew Gould wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:33 AM, michael >> wrote: >> >> >>> *snip* >>> ...and legalities aside, let's not forget the question of ethics. >> >> Andrew >> >> > > ethics is like latin, few care. but i agree with you

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread michael
Andrew Gould wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:33 AM, michael wrote: *snip* ...and legalities aside, let's not forget the question of ethics. Andrew ethics is like latin, few care. but i agree with you in entirety. michael ___ freebsd-quest

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:33 AM, michael wrote: > Marc Coyles wrote: > >> http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html >> >> > They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it. > > >> "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple >> Software on a s

RE: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:52 +, Marc Coyles wrote: > > >>> http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html > > >> They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it. > > "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple > Software on a single *Apple-labeled* computer at a time"

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread michael
Marc Coyles wrote: http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it. "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single *Apple-labeled* computer at a time" So, in theory, apply white lx t

RE: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Marc Coyles
> >>> http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html > >> They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it. "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single *Apple-labeled* computer at a time" So, in theory, apply white lx tape to any PC, write "APPLE" on

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Luigi Iannone
The EULA states: "This License will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California,.." Since I assume that Sweden has signed international commercial agreements with the USA, I think that it odes not matter what the Swedish law says about signing or no

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Bernt Hansson
Da Rock said the following on 2009-03-03 13:13: On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 22:37 -0800, Charles Oppermann wrote: That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the EULA. Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Bernt Hansson
FBSD UG said the following on 2009-03-03 09:25: On 2 mrt 2009, at 20:22, Bernt Hansson wrote: FBSD UG skrev: You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one Apple computer. Mostly semantics, if I name my computer "APPLE" Then it's "legal" to install. Crap, if I buy it I

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Bernt Hansson
Polytropon said the following on 2009-03-03 03:24: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:22:50 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: FBSD UG skrev: You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one Apple computer. Mostly semantics, if I name my computer "APPLE" Then it's "legal" to install. Crap,

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Bernt Hansson
Da Rock said the following on 2009-03-03 12:34: http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it. Cool country... :) It is. Now it's +3 degrees. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Da Rock
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 22:37 -0800, Charles Oppermann wrote: > > > That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply > > > open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the > > > EULA. > > > > Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid i

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Da Rock
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 20:04 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Sean Cavanaugh skrev: > > -- > > From: "Bernt Hansson" > > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM > > To: "Sean Cavanaugh" > > Cc: &

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, March 03, 2009 a las 09:25:03AM +0100, FBSD UG escribió: > > On 2 mrt 2009, at 20:22, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > >FBSD UG skrev: > >> > >>You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one > >>Apple computer. > > > >Mostly semantics, if I name my computer "APPLE" T

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-03 Thread FBSD UG
On 2 mrt 2009, at 20:22, Bernt Hansson wrote: FBSD UG skrev: You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one Apple computer. Mostly semantics, if I name my computer "APPLE" Then it's "legal" to install. Crap, if I buy it I can install it on ANY computer. Does not have to

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-02 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:22:50 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > FBSD UG skrev: > > > > You're not buying the software, you buy a license to use it on one > > Apple computer. > > Mostly semantics, if I name my computer "APPLE" Then it's "legal" to > install. Crap, if I buy it I can install it on AN

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-02 Thread Chris Rees
2009/3/2 Julian Wissmann : > Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it. > I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway. > > Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as far as I > know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in Germany. > They're prog

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-02 Thread Julian Wissmann
Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it. I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway. Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as far as I know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in Germany. They're programmers/geeks whichever you pref

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-02 Thread FBSD UG
On 1 mrt 2009, at 07:37, Charles Oppermann wrote: That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the EULA. Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden. That would b

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-02 Thread FBSD UG
On 28 feb 2009, at 17:26, Bernt Hansson wrote: Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25: - From: "Bernt Hansson" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: "FBSD UG" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Subje

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-03-01 Thread Chris Rees
2009/3/1 Bernt Hansson : > > Charles Oppermann skrev: That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the EULA. >>> Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden. >>

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Adam Vande More
Charles Oppermann wrote: That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the EULA. Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden. That would be tantamount to allowi

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Charles Oppermann
> > That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply > > open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the > > EULA. > > Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden. That would be tantamount to allowing software piracy in Swe

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Polytropon
I don#t want to interrupt. I just like to say that this kind of discussion already took place. On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:45:45 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Does someone who simply clicks > "yes", without actually reading the license first, have "knowledge > of the relationship"? "Can Your C

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread perryh
Chris Rees wrote: > That passage says that any agreement with the knowledge of the > relationship in good faith is valid. > > Where does it mention the difference between a click-through > licence and an oral agreement? With apologies to a certain former U.S. President, that may depend on the de

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:26:57 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: [snip] >It doesn't really matter much what they say in their eula. If i bought >a copy then i can do/install whatever I want since there isn't any >agreement between apple and me. For the agreement to be binding I must >sign a contract wi

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson : > Chris Rees skrev: >> 2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson : >>> Lord Blackadder skrev: Bernt Hansson wrote: > Sean Cavanaugh skrev: > I'm sorry to disappoint you, Bernt, but under Swedish law any kind of agreement is legally binding. Even just a handshake. > >>> Ye

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson : > Chris Rees skrev: >>> NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements >>> is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded >>> by it. >> >> That. > > OK. > > http://www.marknadsdomstolen.se/ > I can't find anything on that

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
11:26 AM >>>> To: "Sean Cavanaugh" >>>> Cc: "freebsd-questions" >>>> Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook >>>> >>>>> Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25: >>>>>>

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
> NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements > is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded > by it. That. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/fr

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson : > Sean Cavanaugh skrev: >> -- >> From: "Bernt Hansson" >> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM >> To: "Sean Cavanaugh" >> Cc: "freebsd-questions"

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
-- From: "Bernt Hansson" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM To: "Sean Cavanaugh" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook Sean Cavanaugh said the

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Bernt Hansson
Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25: - From: "Bernt Hansson" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: "FBSD UG" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook FBSD UG said the follo

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
- From: "Bernt Hansson" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM To: "FBSD UG" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50: On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39,

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
-- From: "Chris Rees" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:31 AM To: "Sergio de Almeida Lenzi" Cc: "FreeBSD Mailing List" ; "FreeBSD Mailing List" Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook 2009/2/27 Sergio de Alme

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Bernt Hansson
FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50: On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: Hi I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBS

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/27 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi : > Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu: > >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: >> > Hi >> > >> > I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is >> > planning to get a Macbook , which I d

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread FBSD UG
On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: Hi I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is planning to get a Macbook , which I

Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-27 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > > Hi > > > > I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is > > planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly > > because we n