Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread MaGioZal
On 7/7/09 1:59 AM, tortoise at cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: It was true back then. Problem was all the old 68k code in the old MacOS. Here's the problem. When Spindler launched the PowerMacs, though icredible velocity was promised, the reality was that the machines were mere slow Quadra

Re: stream requires windows media player?

2009-07-07 Thread Ralph Green
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 01:14 -0400, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:36 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, here's the problem: There's a really cool radio station online that I like... Pandora will play anything you like and let you program it too. Is

Re: G4 PowerMac 500MHz Sawtooth won't shut down

2009-07-07 Thread Lawrence David Eden
On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Timo Virkkala wrote: I'm trying to revive a G4 box. I pulled a hard drive and memory from a working 400MHz Sawtooth into a 500MHz Sawtooth. But it won't shut down from the software. It restarts. I

Re: BW startup error

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/6 glen glenst...@yahoo.com: I've just bought a Sonnet Encore G4/500 upgrade for my elderly but 100% reliable Rev 1 BW G3/400. (I want to try Mac OS X Server 10.4 on it, and this requires a G4 CPU.) Snag is, when I fit the new chip, the Mac won't boot. I don't get a Sad Mac or a

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:59 PM, tortoise wrote: t was true back then. Problem was all the old 68k code in the old MacOS. Back in '98 a mac with Linux felt like flying compared to the macos crawling. The argument had absolutely nothing to do with the OS running on the system. The industry

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Ted Treen
t was true back then. Problem was all the old 68k code in the old MacOS. Back in '98 a mac with Linux felt like flying compared to the macos crawling. The argument had absolutely nothing to do with the OS running on the system. The industry comparisons between RISC and CISC were made on

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 tortoise cymraeg...@gmail.com: IBM had problems with their design which was why they teamed up with APPLE. at the time theirs was the worst performing and selling. Don't forget Motorola was in there too, coming in especially with the G4. IBM had problems? Not as I recall. POWER was

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/6 PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com: On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. Sun is still making its RISCs.

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/6 PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com: On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Mullin9 wrote: Will Apple return to PPC processors? A year or so ago, Apple purchased a fab-less designer and manufacturer of multi-core PPC processors. It is conceivable that Apple may use PPC processors in some

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com: OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a  2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It Screams. Nope, I don't believe it. I don't believe you could readily

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
P.A. Semi's flagship product before they were acquired was the PWRficient processor, a PPC dual-core 2.0GHz processor that only consumed 4W power. I even contacted them for information on an evaluation kit (too bad it was $1495!) The PowerPC and POWER lines will live on - I'm just hoping Apple

Just a Couple of Random-like Freezes ...

2009-07-07 Thread Bill Connelly
(Apologies to other Listers for the semi-long system log cut and pasted into this list-mail) My newly acquired Digital Audio Dual 533 has experienced a couple of semi-random freezes lately. I say semi-random, since I believe the RAM is good, and one time I was running a fairly old, cpu

VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0

2009-07-07 Thread Len Gerstel
In an extremely rare milestone, a valuable open source project has released a 1.0.0 version. It even works on PPC, but only for 10.5. Users of 10.4 are stuck with 0.9.9a. VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com: P.A. Semi's flagship product before they were acquired was the PWRficient processor, a PPC dual-core 2.0GHz processor that only consumed 4W power. I know. Thus my comment. I even contacted them for information on an evaluation kit (too

Re: Not Recognizing A CD

2009-07-07 Thread Dan
At 7:14 AM -0400 7/6/2009, m.smurph001 wrote: digital audio G4. processor upgrade OS X, which is 10.4.11 The optical drive is a Pioneer OEM DVD burner I got from Other World. It has been giving me error messages when I try to burn CDs of late. Exactly what error messages? Have you cleaned the

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread John Martz
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Liam Provenlpro...@gmail.com wrote: AMD are really struggling now. The Sledgehammer µarch was stunning and killed Itanium; it moved the x86 world onto 64-bit, although 99% of machines still run 32-bit S/W, just like for a decade, 99% of the 32-bit 386 machines

Re: Just a Couple of Random-like Freezes ...

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I tried looking at the system log through Console, but didn't see anything at the point of the freeze. I did find that Firefox was evidently calling a debugger of some sort. Then on a next restart, the log was gone. Here is a recent log, not

Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0

2009-07-07 Thread Dana Collins
On 7/7/09 12:40 PM, John Martz of zjo...@gmail.com sent On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Len Gerstellgers...@gmail.com wrote: VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. http://www.videolan.org Thanks.

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Well, true, but for how long under Oracle's reign? A while I'd think. This was a valuable part of Sun to Oracle, (they bought Sun because Oracle is completely dependent on Java now, and has been since the 8i-9 transition, this way they

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote: IBM had problems? Not as I recall. POWER was doing great. PowerPC was merely an adaptation of the high-end POWER multi-chip processors into a lower-end single-chip device utilising the Motorola 88000 bus, designed for PC-type kit. IBM never

Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0

2009-07-07 Thread John Martz
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Len Gerstellgers...@gmail.com wrote: VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. http://www.videolan.org Thanks. Downloading now. VideoLan is somewhat amazing to me. Given all the

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread James E. Therrault
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote: IBM had problems? Not as I recall. POWER was doing great. PowerPC was merely an adaptation of the high-end POWER multi-chip processors into a lower-end single-chip device utilising the Motorola 88000 bus, designed for

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Sam Macomber
But we can discuss this to death and it won't change anything. S, I'll just keep on truckin' with my ancient G4 Gigabit 400... JT (Who wonders at times why not hook up the 1.25GHz Powerbook to use as a main machine) I decided on a processor upgrade for my QS, 1.8ghz. Buys me a

Re: Gamepad's Age Established Through Carbon Dating

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:29 PM, tonycd wrote: I was housecleaning and I exhumed a Gravis USB GamePad Pro. It looks like a dark grey PS2 gamepad with the secondary buttons missing, but its connector is USB 1.1. I believe I bought it around 10 years ago, late in the Classic Era. I am sure it

Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread MaGioZal
On 7/7/09 1:56 PM, Bruce Johnson at john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This was a valuable part of Sun to Oracle, (they bought Sun because Oracle is completely dependent on Java now, and has been since the 8i-9 transition, this way they control that bit.) It is strangely funny to remember

Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread MaGioZal
On 7/7/09 3:57 PM, James E. Therrault at jetas...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Bottom line was the lack of fast low power chips for laptops that ultimately resulted in the switch. Had a low power G5 chip been produced, there would be no Apple Intel today. The other thing that burned the

Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread MaGioZal
On 7/7/09 1:58 PM, Bruce Johnson at john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: IBM never managed a low power G5, and Moro couldn't get more performance outof the PPC series. Apple (along with all the other PC manufacturers) live and die by their laptop lines, and the inability of either Moto or IBM

Re: Gamepad's Age Established Through Carbon Dating

2009-07-07 Thread tonycd
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Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 John Martz zjo...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Liam Provenlpro...@gmail.com wrote: AMD are really struggling now. The Sledgehammer µarch was stunning and killed Itanium; it moved the x86 world onto 64-bit, although 99% of machines still run 32-bit S/W, just like for a

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu: On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Well, true, but for how long under Oracle's reign? A while I'd think. This was a valuable part of Sun to Oracle, (they bought Sun because Oracle is completely dependent on Java now, and

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
2009/7/7 Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu: On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote: IBM had problems? Not as I recall. POWER was doing great. PowerPC was merely an adaptation of the high-end POWER multi-chip processors into a lower-end single-chip device utilising the

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Baha Ata
i am writing this from a power pc g4 1.67 watching a 720p alexandare... yes i need pause it for writing this. i can listen moby's last album in last version of itunes... i am running a 10.5.7 with 2 GB ram... yes i am running with actual production machine for home with CS4 series... with only

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Liam Proven wrote: One thing Sun could assemble, fairly readily, would be a killer large-enterprise messaging solution. A far more scalable back-end server than Exchange, coupled via an instant-push-delivery protocol to a premium-grade client app. This would not

Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0

2009-07-07 Thread Nestamicky
On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Dana Collins wrote: VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. Too bad they don't have same for 10.4 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message

Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread James E. Therrault
MaGioZal wrote: On 7/7/09 3:57 PM, James E. Therrault at jetas...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Bottom line was the lack of fast low power chips for laptops that ultimately resulted in the switch. Had a low power G5 chip been produced, there would be no Apple Intel today. The other thing

Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0

2009-07-07 Thread Bill Connelly
On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Nestamicky wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Dana Collins wrote: VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. Too bad they don't have same for 10.4 I tried to use VLC 1.0.0 on my

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Mullin9
On Jul 7, 6:17 am, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com: OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a  2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Mullin9
On Jul 7, 7:17 am, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com: OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a  2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It

Re: Return to PowerPC?

2009-07-07 Thread Mullin9
On Jul 7, 7:17 am, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com: OOPS I grabbed a PS3 but Swapped the 256MB RAM, with 4 GB RAM stick, wired/ soldered in a  2005 Apple ROM not the EFI, and installed OS X v 10.5 and with 3.2 GHz PPC Cell CPU It