Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of auto-use in portage-2.0.54

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 27 November 2005 01:48, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 05:12:45PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: As I said earlier, we'd like to get rid of the nasty auto-use feature, including the support for the USE_ORDER variable. Right now we intend this for 2.0.54 (might not

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 25/11/2005 11:46:54, Marius Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Except that no{man,info,doc} are on the to-die list anyway. When you say 'to-die' do you mean completely removed, or do you mean replaced with {man,info,doc} (i.e. removing inverted logic)? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 26/11/2005 13:55:25, Ned Ludd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 19:30 +0100, Bruno wrote: What's the advantage of splitting out the debug info to some extra location instead of leaving it in the original binary (maybe smaller foot-print in memory while the debugging

[gentoo-dev] Re: last rites for avifile, vcr, zphoto, drip, divx4linux, quicktime4linux

2005-11-27 Thread Duncan
Luca Barbato posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:55:14 +0100: Luca Barbato wrote: [snip] avifile will be removed tomorrow since mlt and mlt++ (required by jahshaka as avifile replacement) will be released tomorrow. If you are maintaining or using one of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 10:53 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On 26/11/2005 13:55:25, Ned Ludd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 19:30 +0100, Bruno wrote: What's the advantage of splitting out the debug info to some extra location instead of leaving it in the original binary

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:20 -0600, R Hill wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug info. Having a split debug allows us to retain all the advantages of stripping executables while gaining the ability to properly debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 23:42 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, Would you be willing to give up space in $ROOT/usr/lib/debug for ELF executables by default in order to aid in better debugging by or do we want to only emit it when a FEATURE= is defined.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES, instead of removing the generated files, would disable the building of them completely, mainly because work systems with limited CPU,

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:46 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:49:23 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi everybody, a little question that I'd like to be answered (so that | we can make it a sort of rule). | How should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ivan Yosifov
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:24 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:20 -0600, R Hill wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug info. Having a split debug allows us to retain all the advantages of stripping

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:58 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:46 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:49:23 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi everybody, a little question that I'd like to be answered (so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Edward Catmur
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:24 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:20 -0600, R Hill wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug info. Having a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:24 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:20 -0600, R Hill wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug info. Having a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 11/27/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES, instead of removing the generated files, would disable the building

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Jakub Moc
27.11.2005, 15:39:48, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:09, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:58 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:46 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Except that no{man,info,doc} are on the to-die list anyway. They are very valuable

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 23:39 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:09, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:58 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:46 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Except that no{man,info,doc} are on the to-die list anyway. They are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 15:39, Dan Meltzer wrote: Err, maybe I am incorrect, but isn't it more work to ungenerate them (using strip) then to just not install them? Their creation in-line of a binary is probably a simpler work (for the disk) than having to split them out, but I might be

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 15:39, Jason Stubbs wrote: Core packages or not, they are all broken. When the requirement came up, the respective maintainers should have spoken up so that a proper solution could be found. When are the quick hacks going to stop? :| Is my mail enough as a speak-up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 09:39 -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: On 11/27/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES, instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 27 November 2005 23:50, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 15:39, Jason Stubbs wrote: Core packages or not, they are all broken. When the requirement came up, the respective maintainers should have spoken up so that a proper solution could be found. When

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 27 November 2005 23:43, Jakub Moc wrote: 27.11.2005, 15:39:48, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:09, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 07:58 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:46 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Except that no{man,info,doc} are on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 12:50:30PM -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: I'm in favor of it enabled per default but I'd like to know what you think and why. (advantages of on/off by default etc..) This should definitely be enabled by default, we dont need to enable debugging information for this to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Edward Catmur
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:40 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: And one more thing. For proper debugging, don't I need the source to be present ? -g3 -ggdb embeds the source code in the debug info so I don't see the point. It doesn't; at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Dan Meltzer
Random thought May be completely off base. Could this debug info be NFS shared? assuming like computers, or would it be different on each computer. On 11/27/05, Tavis Ormandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 12:50:30PM -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: I'm in favor of it enabled per

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Edward Catmur
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 09:39 -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: On 11/27/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES, instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 27 November 2005 23:50, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2005 15:39, Jason Stubbs wrote: Core packages or not, they are all broken. When the requirement came up, the respective maintainers should have spoken up so that a proper solution could be found. When

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:22 +, Edward Catmur wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:40 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: And one more thing. For proper debugging, don't I need the source to be present ? -g3 -ggdb embeds the source code in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 28 November 2005 00:05, Jason Stubbs wrote: 3) FEATURES=noman is dropped in favour of USE=man or USE=manpages In light of the above requirements and the fact that dyn_* will likely be moved into the tree down the track, #3 seems to be the best in my mind. Similarly, it would solve

[gentoo-dev] Are there valid uses for repoman --ignore-other-arches?

2005-11-27 Thread Petteri Räty
--ignore-other-arches Instructs repoman to ignore arches that are not relevent to the committing arch. REPORT/FIX issues you work around. Are there any valid uses for this switch or can it be deprecated? From a QA point of view this seems like a very bad option. Regards, Petteri signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 00:48 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 00:05, Jason Stubbs wrote: 3) FEATURES=noman is dropped in favour of USE=man or USE=manpages In light of the above requirements and the fact that dyn_* will likely be moved into the tree down the track, #3

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:12:32AM -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 00:48 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 00:05, Jason Stubbs wrote: 3) FEATURES=noman is dropped in favour of USE=man or USE=manpages In light of the above requirements and the fact that

[gentoo-dev] Masking of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.x and related packages

2005-11-27 Thread Olivier Fisette
Hi, It has been a while since the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project has moved to a BOINC-based client. Thanks to Marcus Hanwell (cryos), we have working ebuilds for BOINC and the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] client (4.x) in the tree. The classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.x service has now been discontinued (and

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 17:12, Ned Ludd wrote: USE=(man|info|doc) wont quite work. While they could have an advantage that you can use them to control depend strings the doc use flag has already been heavily used for other things which everybody surely wont want. As vapier said, doc useflag

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 16:28 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:12:32AM -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 00:48 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 00:05, Jason Stubbs wrote: 3) FEATURES=noman is dropped in favour of USE=man or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are there valid uses for repoman --ignore-other-arches?

2005-11-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 06:08:53PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: --ignore-other-arches Instructs repoman to ignore arches that are not relevent to the committing arch. REPORT/FIX issues you work around. Are there any valid uses for this switch or can it be deprecated? From a QA point of view

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 10:44 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:22 +, Edward Catmur wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:40 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: And one more thing. For proper debugging, don't I need the source to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are there valid uses for repoman --ignore-other-arches?

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 18:08 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: --ignore-other-arches Instructs repoman to ignore arches that are not relevent to the committing arch. REPORT/FIX issues you work around. Are there any valid uses for this switch or can it be deprecated? From a QA point of view this

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:39:48 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Core packages or not, they are all broken. When the requirement came | up, the respective maintainers should have spoken up so that a proper | solution could be found. When are the quick hacks going to stop? :| A proper

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 17:49, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: A proper solution requires Portage changes. Unfortunately, for some packages waiting a year or more to fix something isn't an option. Maybe not, if we just make man and info two useflags enabled by default in all profiles and change

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:31, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: What I'm waiting for now are comments if someone has ideas where to put guides that does not belong directly to an existant project. And if someone wants to join the effort of documenting maintenance process for his packages,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Mark Loeser
Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I really can't give an accurate example. Halcyon who has been testing it merged world and he was yeilded with 18M of debug info (I have no idea how many packages he has). Just for the sake of reference, this was with 95 packages and CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium4

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2005-27-11 at 13:03 -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I really can't give an accurate example. Halcyon who has been testing it merged world and he was yeilded with 18M of debug info (I have no idea how many packages he has). Just for the sake of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 27 November 2005 20:27, Donnie Berkholz wrote: This should be the goal already, and all herds should be looking to either join or create a project, in conjunction with other herds. Okay that probably goes fine for most of the cases, there are still non-herded ebuilds but that's a side

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ivan Yosifov
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 11:55 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 10:44 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:22 +, Edward Catmur wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:40 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:09 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: And one more thing.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 23:01 +0200, Ivan Yosifov wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 11:55 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 10:44 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 15:22 +, Edward Catmur wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:40 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-11-27

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 12:50 -0500, Ned Ludd wrote: Good afternoon, probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug info. Having a split debug allows us to retain all the advantages of stripping executables while gaining the ability to properly debug executables in bfd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 27/11/2005-13:54:33(+0100): Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò types On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES, instead of removing the generated files, would disable the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Edward Catmur
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 10:18 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 27/11/2005-13:54:33(+0100): Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò types On Sunday 27 November 2005 00:10, Luca Barbato wrote: It's great! Make it a FEATURE default on for common profiles. +1, and it would be better if the FEATURES,

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 27 November 2005 02:03, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:15 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 02:05, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 00:51 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 00:31, Ned Ludd wrote: * post_sync action

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] make dodoc return better values

2005-11-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 02:31:47AM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: Now dodoc always returns with success. I adjusted dodoc to return with better values. added to svn trunk/savior -mike -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] CDEPEND removal

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 28 November 2005 00:01, Ned Ludd wrote: The following untested attached patch removes CDEPEND from ebuild.sh A quick grep -i shows that there is one case of CDEPEND left in pym/portage.py after applying the patch. It's in the auxdbkeys around line 5130. Not sure if that is safe to

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] CDEPEND removal

2005-11-27 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 28 November 2005 00:20, Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 00:15 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 00:01, Ned Ludd wrote: The following untested attached patch removes CDEPEND from ebuild.sh A quick grep -i shows that there is one case of CDEPEND left in