Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-15 Thread Charly Avital
Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote the following on 8/12/09 10:46 PM: > > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11556 > > Not entirely on topic, but for those using GnuPG (or other encryption > software), you should always keep abreast of the encryption laws of > your country. > "Protect Your Laptop Data F

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-14 Thread Harry RIckards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Mearns wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: > [clip] >> http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11556 >> >> Not entirely on topic, but for those using GnuPG (or other encryption >> software), you should always keep abre

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Mearns
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:40 AM, the dragon wrote: > > oops, didn't reply all... > > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing > to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - > they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. > > encr

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Mearns
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Joseph Oreste Bruni wrote: [clip] > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11556 > > Not entirely on topic, but for those using GnuPG (or other encryption > software), you should always keep abreast of the encryption laws of your > country. [clip] Has everyone seen the

Re: RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Lebbing
the dragon wrote: > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins > refusing to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their > privacy - they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. If I read the news report at that link, I see the following: > The form

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-14 Thread Roscoe
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM, the dragon wrote: > encrytion is about maintaining personal and data privacy; it's not about > having a tool to break the law. Reminds me of when some in the US was talking of Law Enforcement Access Keys being incorporated into cryptographic products. In Austral

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Chris De Young
the dragon wrote: [...] > encrytion is about maintaining personal and data privacy; it's not about > having a tool to break the law. If the encryption is strong and used correctly (with all the non-technical elements that implies) how would you tell the difference? -Chris signature.asc Descr

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread dan
One might point out that TrueCrypt offers astounding capabilities for hiding data, which the margin of this note is too small to contain. http://www.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability --dan ___ Gnupg-users mailing l

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 michael GRIFFITHS escribió: > This is what the uk law has to say on the matter (see below) so I > interpret it as this. You may not be guilty but if you don't give them > the info they require in the format they require you are then guilty of > that

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 the dragon escribió: > If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were in > control of it when the files were created and last accessed, the chances > that you *don't* know the key for the encryption is so slim as to be > nonexista

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 the dragon escribió: > oops, didn't reply all... > > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing > to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - > they are child molestors and wanna-be t

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Morten Gulbrandsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Funk wrote: > On 2009-08-13, David SMITH wrote: > /SNIP**/ >> >> Not forgetting the possibility of malicious intentions - trying to frame >> someone by putting encrypted data onto someone's computer and tipping >> off the authorit

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Adam Funk
On 2009-08-13, David SMITH wrote: > So the people who come on gnupg-users asking for help because they've > forgotten their passphrase or accidentally deleted their ~/.gnupg > directory don't exist? > > I guess that's a new way of replying to them: "You don't exist". > > Not forgetting the possibi

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 01:09:34PM -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > Scuze me? I thought this was the gnupg list! I'm sorta new at this stuff but > I'm expecting just a bit more expertise from the people contributing to this > conversation. I think the point is that they were done under RIP and you c

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/13/09 09:41, quoth the dragon: > If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were in > control of it when the files were created and last accessed, the chances > that you *don't* know the key for the encryption is so slim as to

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread John W. Moore III
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Reference: >> From:the dragon > >> And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing >> to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - >> they a

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Alain Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:44:44PM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: > >The RIPA is a particularly nasty piece of legislation in this respect. > > > I've often wondered what the situation would be if you'd set your > password to > "go and F**k yourself" > and were then required to provide it under the RIP

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread David Shaw
On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:53 AM, michael GRIFFITHS wrote: So who is on with the plausible deniability project for gpg? I have to admit the thought of not being able to prove my innocence doesn't sound like a good prospect. Innocent until proven guilty just isnt an option anymore While I believe P

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Iain Rae
David SMITH wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:55AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases used to protect files, or secret keys... "Two people have been successfully prosecu

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread michael GRIFFITHS
t: 13 August 2009 15:39 To: the dragon Cc: gnupg-users@gnupg.org Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data Hi, Reference: > From: the dragon > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing to divulge data, or even regular peopl

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread the dragon
God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:25:25 -0400 > From: d...@fifthhorseman.net > To: ce...@hotmail.com > CC: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refus

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Reference: > From: the dragon > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing > to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - > they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. Bollocks, To be charged is not necessarily to

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 08/13/2009 08:40 AM, the dragon wrote: > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing > to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - > they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. Some of them may molest children and some may wa

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread michael GRIFFITHS
@gnupg.org Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:55AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: > Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: > > Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases > > used to protect files, or

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread michael GRIFFITHS
David SMITH Sent: 13 August 2009 14:50 To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 08:41:37AM -0500, the dragon wrote: > If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were in > control of it when the fi

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
the dragon wrote: > If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were in > control of it when the files were created and last accessed, the chances > that you *don't* know the key for the encryption is so slim as to be > nonexistant. Apparently I don't exist, then. I have files w

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread David SMITH
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 08:41:37AM -0500, the dragon wrote: > If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were > in control of it when the files were created and last accessed, the > chances that you *don't* know the key for the encryption is so slim > as to be nonexistant. So th

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread the dragon
+0100 > From: dave.sm...@st.com > To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:55AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: > > Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: > > > Unfortunately, it is no

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread David SMITH
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:55AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: > Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: > > Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases used > > to protect files, or secret keys... > > "Two people have been successfully prosecuted for *refusing* to pr

RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread the dragon
th their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:59:55 -0400 > From: shavi...@mac.com > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data > To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > > Faramir wrote the following o

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Charly Avital
Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: [...] > Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases used > to protect files, or secret keys... > > Best Regards "Two people have been successfully prosecuted for *refusing* to provide U.K..." Charly __

Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-13 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Joseph Oreste Bruni escribió: > > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11556 > > Not entirely on topic, but for those using GnuPG (or other encryption > software), you should always keep abreast of the encryption laws of your > country. Unfortunate

Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data

2009-08-12 Thread Joseph Oreste Bruni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11556 Not entirely on topic, but for those using GnuPG (or other encryption software), you should always keep abreast of the encryption laws of your country. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4