DCF: Can it live again?

2014-01-02 Thread Bob Rinda
Tony is correct. Softcopy Reader consists of a Java GUI wrapped around (via JNI) the platform-specific binaries which access the proprietary BookManager document format. The Shelf Organizer component of Softcopy Reader contains limited "BookManager-like" support for indexed extended shelves of

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2014-01-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/31/2013 at 03:40 PM, Tony Harminc said: >I'm not aware of any dispute. ? >The OP Mentioned "the core Bookie code". >Out of the blue See above. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't c

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2014-01-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <660c973e-4a5c-4e6c-9e94-3301602f9...@yahoo.com>, on 12/31/2013 at 04:10 PM, Scott Ford said: >Is the DCF format for Book Manager available ? The documentation of the BookManager/BUILD tag set is available; the macros that implement it are copyrighted. Similarly for BookMaster and the GML

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Tony, For sure. Surprising IBM doesn't want to release a format so a ISV can develop a new or better product for Book Manager, but who am I a mere mortal... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Tony Harminc wrot

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 December 2013 16:10, Scott Ford wrote: > Tony, > > Is the DCF format for Book Manager available ? So someone could rewrite code > to read it and process it ? Not that I know of. That's really what I'd like IBM to provide, but I think it's unlikely. Presumably it could be reverse engineered

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Tony, Is the DCF format for Book Manager available ? So someone could rewrite code to read it and process it ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: > > On 31 December 2013 14:34, Shmuel Metz

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 December 2013 14:34, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 12/30/2013 at 03:29 PM, Tony Harminc said: > >>It seems plausible that at least some of the code would be common >>with other platform implementations. > > Are you talking about BookManager/READ? That's not what's under dispute. I'm

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/30/2013 at 03:29 PM, Tony Harminc said: >It seems plausible that at least some of the code would be common >with other platform implementations. Are you talking about BookManager/READ? That's not what's under dispute. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 December 2013 08:25, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 12/29/2013 at 06:03 PM, Tony Harminc said: > >>I imagine it's written in C, since it runs on Windows and Linux on i86, > > Cite? There are BookManager products on windoze, but I'm not aware of > any that accept DCF, BookMaster or Boo

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/29/2013 at 06:03 PM, Tony Harminc said: >I imagine it's written in C, since it runs on Windows and Linux on >i86, Cite? There are BookManager products on windoze, but I'm not aware of any that accept DCF, BookMaster or BookManager tags. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 29 December 2013 18:17, Charles Mills wrote: > Java I thought ... No - as I said earlier, the "Java" versions of Softcopy Reader et al are just wrappers. The real work gets done in platform-specific executable code in DLLs or UNIXy shared objects. I haven't looked, but I'd be amazed if the zAr

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Charles Mills
Java I thought ... Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Tony Harminc wrote: >On 29 December 2013 09:31, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>>Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >>>like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >>>

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 29 December 2013 09:31, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >>like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >>APL\360 and OORexx. Heh... >> > So that we could run it on Hercules? Or, is it (even worse) PL/S? I i

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:40:22 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: > >Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd >like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for >APL\360 and OORexx. Heh... > So that we could run it on Hercules? Or, is it (even worse) PL/S?

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-28 Thread Tony Harminc
On 28 December 2013 00:16, Timothy Sipples wrote: > Do you mean this Java-based version? > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Thing is, it's not really "Java based". It's a Java wrapper for (presumably) the same old core binaries for Intel that the Windows version uses. Y

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-28 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Timothy Sipples wrote: >>Do you mean this Java-based version? >>http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Page is dated 2005. Softcopy Reader for Linux V3.7 is dated 2007. But I must be fair: One of the pre-requisites is RedHat Linux 9.0 or later, but ... ... latest stable versi

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-28 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:16:37 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Do you mean this Java-based version? > >http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Not likely I would think - that was bloody awful under Linux. IBM obviously believed in that other Java mantra - "write once, run nowhere"

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-27 Thread Timothy Sipples
Do you mean this Java-based version? http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Timothy Sipples GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-27 Thread zMan
I think you just answered your own question... On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: > Whatever happened to the JAVA Bookie? I tried it on a new Win 95 machine > and it was atrocious. It would start then go away then a few minutes later > it > would come up and vanish again. Never

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-27 Thread Ed Finnell
Whatever happened to the JAVA Bookie? I tried it on a new Win 95 machine and it was atrocious. It would start then go away then a few minutes later it would come up and vanish again. Never tried it again. In a message dated 12/27/2013 3:17:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, shmuel+ibm-m...@pa

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <435b77ba27fc254099b1763e498def664ca...@va1exc02.snaads.sinenomine.net>, on 04/16/2008 at 09:31 AM, David Boyes said: >The key to what I want is the Bookmaster tag set, >From what you wrote further on, you really mean BookManager; the BookManager/BUILD tag set is a superset of BookMaster.