Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-27 Thread Lester Caine
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! I meant to duplicate the code from ext/date (where it belongs) in pecl/intl. Please notice the "pecl/intl" not php-src/ext. The goal is to provide the DateFormatter feature to php 5.2 users. Great, right now 5.2 users can use intl extension from pecl, including

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! I meant to duplicate the code from ext/date (where it belongs) in pecl/intl. Please notice the "pecl/intl" not php-src/ext. The goal is to provide the DateFormatter feature to php 5.2 users. Great, right now 5.2 users can use intl extension from pecl, including DateFormatter. As Derick

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > > > This feature can then be optional in ext/date. That should not be an > > issue for those not willing to use a reliable date formatting system > > as they are certainly not interested in intl either. > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! This feature can then be optional in ext/date. That should not be an issue for those not willing to use a reliable date formatting system as they are certainly not interested in intl either. I think making it optional in ext/date would be harder. On top of that, optional functions in exis

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi, On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > > > As intl will requires it, why is it unacceptable? > > intl is specialized extension for people dealing with global > environments. It will be enabled only by people that really need it. > ext/date

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! As intl will requires it, why is it unacceptable? intl is specialized extension for people dealing with global environments. It will be enabled only by people that really need it. ext/date is much more general-purpose function, used by thousands of applications that don't care at all ab

[PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am not so sure. I see (in the feb-04 sources) just collator, > > formatter, locale, msgformat and normalizer - and dateformatter that > > should be integrated into the Date extension to avoid issues and > > conf

[PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-26 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
I am not so sure. I see (in the feb-04 sources) just collator, formatter, locale, msgformat and normalizer - and dateformatter that should be integrated into the Date extension to avoid issues and confusion. I'm all for integrating it in PHP 6, however I do not see how it is possible to do it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
and there is no chance to wait? To wait for? 5.2 is out there, and there are a lot of people needing intl support. We are working on this project for almost a year now, so we want to make a release. Of course, 1.0 is not the end of story, and we are very much intending to work further, but

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Stanislav, and there is no chance to wait? Friday, March 21, 2008, 7:25:44 PM, you wrote: >> Did you experiemnt with namespaces? > No, the reason is ext/intl should work with 5.2. > -- > Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ > (408)253-8

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Did you experiemnt with namespaces? No, the reason is ext/intl should work with 5.2. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Stanislav, Friday, March 21, 2008, 6:50:53 PM, you wrote: >> In this case, all of the classes in pecl/intl should start with Intl. > IntlMessageFormatter is a pretty sucky name... But maybe if we don't > have another bright idea I guess that'd be the way to go. Pity we didn't > figure i

[PHP-DEV] RE: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Tex Texin
Thanks Stas. Yes, it was because the INTL extension included unrelated modules, that we opted out of the extension naming. Besides the formatters we have graphemes and unicode normalization functions. I don't see that we have an actual collision here, so I would be inclined to keep things as the

[PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [php-icu] Graphemes and unicode vs intl extension

2008-03-21 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
In this case, all of the classes in pecl/intl should start with Intl. IntlMessageFormatter is a pretty sucky name... But maybe if we don't have another bright idea I guess that'd be the way to go. Pity we didn't figure it out earlier in the loop, but I'm guessing it should not be too hard to