Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread David Greenaway
On 05/04/13 09:32, Makarius wrote: > On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Greenaway wrote: >> What practical things could such volunteers do that you would find >> helpful? > > So how about maintaining Proof General, seriously, no-nonse? As somebody who isn't a Proof General user, nor an Emacs user, nor has

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Makarius
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Greenaway wrote: What practical things could such volunteers do that you would find helpful? So how about maintaining Proof General, seriously, no-nonse? And there are other unmaintained parts, such as WWW_Find. (Note that several other people have worked there in

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread David Greenaway
On 04/04/13 23:41, Makarius wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Gerwin Klein wrote: [...] >> Again, I don't even disagree, it should get low priority and there are >> good reasons for many of the traditional ways Isabelle development >> happens. But the process clearly puts a lot of strain and time >> co

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Makarius
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Christian Urban wrote: Could the reason be that more often than wanted the answer to emails on the Isabelle mailing lists is: "person ?X, you have no business here" "any changes to ?X are restricted to exactly one person" you are on the wrong mailing list (isabelle vs i

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Christian Urban
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 at 12:42:42 (+0200), Makarius wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Thomas Sewell wrote: > > > David's investigation explains a problem we had a few years ago where > > some custom tactics of mine were killing my colleagues' ProofGeneral > > sessions when they encountere

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Makarius
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Gerwin Klein wrote: It was on these very mailing lists that it was proclaimed that PG is dead and people shouldn't bother reporting problems, because there is nobody there to maintain it. I'm not even disagreeing with it, I certainly don't have the time to maintain PG/Isabe

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Gerwin Klein
On 04/04/2013, at 12:42 PM, Makarius wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Thomas Sewell wrote: > >> David's investigation explains a problem we had a few years ago where some >> custom tactics of mine were killing my colleagues' ProofGeneral sessions >> when they encountered errors. The workaround at

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Makarius
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Thomas Sewell wrote: David's investigation explains a problem we had a few years ago where some custom tactics of mine were killing my colleagues' ProofGeneral sessions when they encountered errors. The workaround at the time was to remove all potentially useful debugging i

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-04 Thread Makarius
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013, Alexander Krauss wrote: Thanks Alex, it always helps if someone else with substantial experience explains things, so that I am not the lone voice in the desert. I let your nice explanations stand as is. The area of your issue (interaction with the underlying ML system) i

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Sewell
Just my two cents, but I'd like to see this problem fixed as well. David's investigation explains a problem we had a few years ago where some custom tactics of mine were killing my colleagues' ProofGeneral sessions when they encountered errors. The workaround at the time was to remove all pote

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-03 Thread David Greenaway
Hi Alexander, Thanks for your helpful reply. On 04/04/13 08:58, Alexander Krauss wrote: > Hi David, > On 04/03/2013 09:18 AM, David Greenaway wrote: [...] >> Does my 4 line patch violate the Isabelle style guidelines, or have >> I missed something about the correct etiquette for submitting patch

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-03 Thread Alexander Krauss
Hi David, On 04/03/2013 09:18 AM, David Greenaway wrote: On 02/04/13 21:17, Makarius wrote: before you send more patches, can you please go back to the very start of the mail thread from last time, which contains a lot of hints how things are done, including pointers to the documentation. I a

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-03 Thread David Greenaway
Hi Makarius, On 02/04/13 21:17, Makarius wrote: > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013, David Greenaway wrote: > >> I would appreciate it if an Isabelle expert could review that patch >> and, if acceptable, apply it to mainline. (This can be easily done >> with "hg import "). > > before you send more patches, can

Re: [isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-02 Thread Makarius
On Tue, 2 Apr 2013, David Greenaway wrote: I would appreciate it if an Isabelle expert could review that patch and, if acceptable, apply it to mainline. (This can be easily done with "hg import "). Dear David, before you send more patches, can you please go back to the very start of the mai

[isabelle-dev] [PATCH 0 of 1] Fix top-level printing of exception messages containing forced-line breaks

2013-04-01 Thread David Greenaway
Hi all, I have noticed that in c ertain circumstances both Isabelle/jEdit and Isabelle/ProofGeneral will render certain constructs with a large number of spaces in them. The problem can be seen with the following testcase: definition "test a b ≡ undefined" notation (output) test ("test