onant or the Lutes as sustaining. The
>sound died pretty quickly making this a non issue.
>
>Vance Wood.
>
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>From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute list"
>To play "historically", whatever that means, presumably involves
>understanding the full historical picture. The more I learn, the
>wider that picture gets.
The more I look at paintings the wider the picture gets. I wish I
knew more about art history: were the subjects models? how accurate
were
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>Subject: Re: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:01 -
>
>Dear Craig,
>
>Many thanks. That's extremely useful. You can see clearly how the
>right-hand index finger follows th
the better, even if there is some
>duplication of thought.
>
>
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>From: "Jason Kortis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Lute List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
>Subject: Re: The Right Hand R
ibutions we get from people the better, even if there is some
duplication of thought.
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From: "Jason Kortis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revis
admit, due to an auto accident, I have concentrated on =
resolving these old issues.
Vance Wood.
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
Hi Vance,
I'm going t
In a message dated 11/17/03 10:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You can see an animation of Jacob Heringman's right hand playing with
> 'thumb
> under' technique on the home page of his website www.heringman.com.
You can also find video clips (no sound!) showing thum
Well, I guess it would depend on the length of your fingers and thumb! :?) If
your pinky is anchored below the first course, then reaching the 10/11/12th
course with your thumb can be tricky, especially with faster passages -- and
getting a proper angle for a good tone. It's funny, but this whole d
Dear All,
I think, as someone else also pointed out, that the reasons
to choose one way or the other should be: "To be able to make a good sound-
according to your ideal-, and at the same time have many different colours-
not just one fixed sound-. To be able to play fast and slow
es as sustaining. The
sound died pretty quickly making this a non issue.
Vance Wood.
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To: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003
maybe aesthetic or historical reasons?
Jason
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From: "Ron Fletcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: FW: The Right Hand Revisited
> This is the ol
quot;Craig Hartley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
> You can see an animation of Jacob Heringman's right hand playing
with 'thumb
> under' technique on the home page o
This is the old chestnut which comes out every year!
When I joined this list around 7-8 years ago, I was corrected by one of our erstwhile
antipodean lutenists thus..
Thumb-in = Early lute technique (fast-runs and fewer courses)
Thumb-out = Later lute technique (More bass strings to contend with
' or 'mouse over' is purely
a matter of personal preference.
Craig
>From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: lute list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:13:57 +0900
>
> >is there any site with a d
> It would be very difficult to play much of the
>later music with larger lutes (10+ courses) with thumb under -- you can't get
>to the lower courses as easily.
I don't understand this. How does the hand position make a difference
on the deep bass courses? I am stretching to the max to hit the 1
>is there any site with a description of the
>several right hand techniques?
I recommend: http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1.html Alfonso
Marin's collection of lute related pictures. A picture is worth a
thousand words.
cheers,
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
>I have found some strong advantages to playing the thumb out that are not
>possible, at least in my mind, with thumb in.
Could you expand on that? the advantages part, I mean.
I'm struggling with thumb out. I find it hard to get a good tone
while plucking thumb and index on adjacent strings and
"Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Recently even Bob Barto spoke in an interview for the (british) Lute Society about
> Thumb-out as being the historical better way to play baroque lute. Lutz Kirchhof is
> playing thumb-out for years (on both renaissance and baroque lute). There are
t that would be of help to them.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
> Here we
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "lute list"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> net> cc:
>
>Subject: The Right Hand
> Revisited
Recently even Bob Barto spoke in an interview for the (british) Lute
Society about Thumb-out as being the historical better way to play
baroque lute. Lutz Kirchhof is playing thumb-out for years (on both
renaissance and baroque lute).
There are several studies dealing with the object - an ovbervie
Here we go again, the rank beginner with a basic question. What are we
talking about?
I was recently emailed a couple of paragraphs from a lute instructional
regarding the right hand - it spoke of "thumb under" and "thumb over". And
I've heard the terms used on this list. I'd been trying to figure
Vance Wood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to see some serious Lute players
> ferret out the differences instead of condemning the practice straight out.
> I have found some strong advantages to playing the thumb out that are not
> possible, at least in my mind, with thumb in.
You must
net> cc:
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Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:02 PM
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>
> Dear Vance (and the List),
>
> you asked:
>
> > I know we beat this subject to death around here but I see the Lute
world
> > once again in transition. My Question i
Dear Vance (and the List),
you asked:
> I know we beat this subject to death around here but I see the Lute world
> once again in transition. My Question is: Does anyone on this list play
> thumb out, or know of anyone who plays thumb out and is there any reputable
> player doing so? Has anyon
I know we beat this subject to death around here but I see the Lute world
once again in transition. My Question is: Does anyone on this list play
thumb out, or know of anyone who plays thumb out and is there any reputable
player doing so? Has anyone done any serious research on this issue out
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