Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Dave Warren
On 2016-03-22 10:39, Michael Wise wrote: We have convinced some of the Powers That Be that we should find another solution, and there is an open-ness to change on this behavior. Not gonna be this week or this month ... who can say for sure. But noise is being made about it. Awesome, and than

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Dave Warren
On 2016-03-23 16:32, Franck Martin via mailop wrote: In fact, these providers offer OAUTH2 to allow you to send as using their infrastructure, and if you have bigger needs, many domains are going cheap at the moment... Not ideal, but some options... Are there really that many customers usin

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Franck Martin via mailop
In fact, these providers offer OAUTH2 to allow you to send as using their infrastructure, and if you have bigger needs, many domains are going cheap at the moment... Not ideal, but some options... On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: > > > On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Joel Beckh

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Joel Beckham wrote: > > > It's likely that ARC will become the new - much better - workaround > eventually, modulo the inevitable deployment issues. http://arc-spec.org > > I thought that ARC doesn't help with the ESP use case, or am I missing > something there

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Joel Beckham
> > It's likely that ARC will become the new - much better - workaround > eventually, modulo the inevitable deployment issues. http://arc-spec.org > > I thou

Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Michael Peddemors wrote: > On 16-03-18 11:28 AM, Rodgers, Anthony (DTMB) wrote: > >> Dropping Email has been acceptable ever since unwanted email has occurred. >> > I suppose it's your server, do what you want. If I was your customer, I'd be pissed that you silen

Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Brandon Long via mailop wrote: I think it's a numbers problem. If you handle a high enough volume of mail, if you sometimes drop mail, and sometimes have false positives that you drop... you will eventually reach a volume of dropped false positives that will have visible affects. Ie, if you

Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
I think it's a numbers problem. If you handle a high enough volume of mail, if you sometimes drop mail, and sometimes have false positives that you drop... you will eventually reach a volume of dropped false positives that will have visible affects. Ie, if you reach a point of dropping 100k or 1M

[mailop] Anyone with a TrustWave contact that they can send me offlist?

2016-03-23 Thread Michael Peddemors
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Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 16-03-18 11:28 AM, Rodgers, Anthony (DTMB) wrote: “…delete it without delivering it to the intended recipient’s INBOX or Junk folder with no NDR…” When did dropping mail on the floor become acceptable? Or am I just grumpy? Nobody wants backscatter, but that’s what SMTP-time DSNs are for, no?

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:35 PM, wrote: > > Are you taking that approach because the workaround is less than ideal? > Otherwise the current “workaround” could be the new standard. The workaround is terrible and breaks basic email functionality. It's likely that ARC will become the new - much

Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 05:39:43PM +, Michael Wise wrote: > We have convinced some of the Powers That Be that we should find another > solution, and there is an open-ness to change on this behavior. Not gonna be > this week or this month ... who can say for sure. But noise is being made > ab