Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-18 Thread Dave Warren
On 2016-07-18 04:45, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: We have certainly encountered some that do not support a '.' value. DNS Made Easy's web UI is like this. I've used their secondary services for years, but recently I've been looking at their primary services and it's a sloppy mess of things that a

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-18 Thread John R Levine
But that's also part of the logic for specifying the precedence as "0" (zero). Even if there are others, they will never be considered. That's not how MX priority works. Lacking a special case to recognize the dot name, if there are lower priority MXes, it'll try them when it can't contact th

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-18 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 9:33 PM, John Levine wrote: > >> I wasn’t sure if there is a specific > >> reason the preference is called out in the RFC. > > We wanted something consistent. > > >0 is the lowest preference MX and will therefore be tried first, > hopefully overriding any other higher pref

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-15 Thread David Conrad
Michael, On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote: > Any one suggest a medium to encourage that amongst registrars? http://icannregistrars.org http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/rrsg Regards, -drc (ICANN CTO, but speaking only for myself) signature.asc Des

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-15 Thread Michael Peddemors
Wouldn't it be nice if registrars (the one that provide default DNS when you purchase) could be encouraged to add that TXT or SPF record as default on all new domain purchases? This would also encourage adoption of it as a whole, would like to assume that real email admin's would update the re

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-15 Thread John Levine
>In answer to the original question, I know that Gmam special cases >MX 0 . to fail the message immediately. Stupid laptop keyboard. That's Gmail doing the special cases. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/ma

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-15 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Doesn't receive emails, sure. Doesn't send emails, I look for the "SPF >lockdown." Lots of places publish this as an SPF record: "v=spf1 -all" Yes, that's what the RFC suggests. In answer to the original question, I know that Gmam special cases MX 0 . to fail the message

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-15 Thread John Levine
>> That is what I was thinking. I wasn’t sure if there is a specific >> reason the preference is called out in the RFC. We wanted something consistent. >0 is the lowest preference MX and will therefore be tried first, hopefully >overriding any other higher preference MXs that may exist. The

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > On 15/07/16, 6:33 AM, "mailop on behalf of Mark Foster" > wrote: > >> Why would any other preference MX exist for a domain not intended to >> be used for email? > > They shouldn’t. Normally. But what if they do? Then delive

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 15/07/16, 6:33 AM, "mailop on behalf of Mark Foster" wrote: > Why would any other preference MX exist for a domain not intended to > be used for email? They shouldn’t. Normally. But what if they do? ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Mark Foster
On 15/07/2016 12:55 p.m., Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On 15/07/16, 4:19 AM, "mailop on behalf of Brian Godiksen" wrote: That is what I was thinking. I wasn’t sure if there is a specific reason the preference is called out in the RFC. 0 is the lowest preference MX and will therefore

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 15/07/16, 4:19 AM, "mailop on behalf of Brian Godiksen" wrote: > That is what I was thinking. I wasn’t sure if there is a specific > reason the preference is called out in the RFC. 0 is the lowest preference MX and will therefore be tried first, hopefully overriding any other higher

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Brian Godiksen
That is what I was thinking. I wasn’t sure if there is a specific reason the preference is called out in the RFC. Thanks, Brian > On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > Surely if the MX record is declared as a . then the preference is irrelevant? > > > On 15/07/2016 8:38 a.m.

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Mark Foster
Surely if the MX record is declared as a . then the preference is irrelevant? On 15/07/2016 8:38 a.m., Brian Godiksen wrote: I noticed inconsistencies in how domains are publishing null MX records. In RFC7505 it states these records should be published with a preference number 0. I am seei

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Al Iverson
Doesn't receive emails, sure. Doesn't send emails, I look for the "SPF lockdown." Lots of places publish this as an SPF record: "v=spf1 -all" And I've been recommending people publish that if they have no plan to send email using that domain. It's an easy DNS test to confirm that a given domain do

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Franck Martin via mailop
indeed... I think the null MX makes sense when there is an A or on the same domain. It stops the mail server to try to deliver and wait 4+ days to bounce the message. Other MX that are always fun to use: MX 10 localhost ;) On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: > > > On Ju

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > > I kind of see the null MX as a way to say that this domain does not send > emails. Eh... only indirectly, implicitly and only kinda. 0-mx-dot states that the domain does not receive email for any address. It doesn't say anything directl

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Franck Martin via mailop
I kind of see the null MX as a way to say that this domain does not send emails. So it is more a test on the receiving side than on the sending side. On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: > > > On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Brian Godiksen > wrote: > > > > I noticed inconsistencies

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Brian Godiksen wrote: > > I noticed inconsistencies in how domains are publishing null MX records. In > RFC7505 it states these records should be published with a preference number > 0. I am seeing a variety of preferences specified though. > > Example: > > ;

[mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-14 Thread Brian Godiksen
I noticed inconsistencies in how domains are publishing null MX records. In RFC7505 it states these records should be published with a preference number 0. I am seeing a variety of preferences specified though. Example: ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;hotmai.com.IN MX ;; ANSWE