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CB: To be less abstract, the critical unity of scientific theory and
practice that I see in this era of capitalist superweapons is that
relatively abstract theorizing can discover remarkbly impressive truths
about
Ralph D.
Popularization is a tightrope act. It doesn't help if it sows
confusion. The theoretically inclined popular audience is small enough as
is. Sometimes students, even the less educated, are sharper than their
teachers. Instead of talking down to them, perhaps respecting their
equally, i can say please read Hans Heinz Holz and my paper in praksis
before we can talk. if you want to exchange ideas then formulate them or leave
it.
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equally, i can say please read Hans Heinz Holz and my paper in praksis
before we can talk. if you want to exchange ideas then formulate them or
leave
what a brainful statement, what a scietific and philosophical approach!
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what illiteracy. what anglo-imperilism.
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 02:22:29 - rosa lichtenstein
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Jim,
I share with Cohen only an antipathy toward Hegel; his attempt to do
analytic Marxism I
Is this the reference?
Lawler, J. (1982), 'Hegel On Logical And Dialectical Contradictions, And
Misinterpretations From Bertrand Russell To Lucio Colletti', in Marquit,
Moran, and Truitt (1982), pp.11-44.
Actually, the book DIALECTICAL CONTRADICTIONS is pretty good, as I remember
it, and is
rosa lichtenstein
Charles,
I did not thank you for that reference in order to initiate a debate, but
becasues I was genuinely grateful. And we have been through this before. [I
forgot that whatever replies I made to you would go across the e-mail list,
so no wonder you thought I wanted a
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rosa lichtenstein
Charles,
I
rosa, charles,
sorry for geting involved in this talk. just one remark: rosa says class
struggle will go on. how can she say that if she rejects the concept of
dialectic. since it is dilectic itself that reveals itself in the class
strugle and
if she says class struggle will go on then
When I was first apprised of this web site, I read a few chapters, but did
not make it to the text quoted My initial impression was that the author
was a victim of an extremely sectarian milieu and had to go through quite
an ordeal digging herself out of it. The marks of this sectarianism are
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rosa, charles,
sorry for geting involved in this talk. just one remark: rosa says class
struggle will go on. how can she say that if she rejects the concept of
dialectic. since it is dilectic itself that reveals itself in the class
] People's History of Science
When I was first apprised of this web site, I read a few chapters, but did
not make it to the text quoted My initial impression was that the author
was a victim of an extremely sectarian milieu and had to go through quite
an ordeal digging herself out
I don't know how you construct your web pages, but I am unable to fully
access this page using Internet Explorer. My computer keeps freezing
up. After numerous attempts I have been able to get to the beginning of
note 18. Yet I can access presumably much larger size files on other
sites. I
Actually, the argument is framed in an entirely sectarian context, based on
the experience of Trotskyism. Some examples from your home page:
(1)
Dialectical Materialism (DM) has been the official philosophy of active
revolutionary socialists for over a hundred years. During that time, the
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I don't know how you construct your web pages, but I am unable to fully
access this page using Internet Explorer. My computer keeps freezing up
Rosa Lichtenstein
Even so, since I rubbish all philosophical theories (ranging from all the
classical ones you can name right through to Engles's naive views, and
including Hegel's mystical clap trap) as ruling-class a priori superscience,
your superficial skimming of my site is doubly in
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Actually, the argument is framed in an entirely sectarian context, based
on the experience of Trotskyism. Some examples from your home page:
(1)
Dialectical Materialism (DM) has been
What do you find naïve in Engel's views?
Everything he wrote about science, mathematics and philosophy, although the
word naive was a little too mild.
I should have said rubbish.
His other stuff I admire greatly.
RL
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Was Engels writings concerning science, mathematics and
Ralph,
As I have said, I am not interested in anything you have to say.
End of correspondence.
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Rosa Lichtenstein
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Comrades might like to think about this (taken from my site):
The quandary facing dialecticians we might call the Dialecticians' Dilemma
[DD]. The DD arises from the uncontroversial observation that if reality is
fundamentally contradictory then any true theory should
Given time constraints, I can only look in designated places for specific
pieces of information, esp. as I am not a comrade.
The introduction to the argument however is revealing of several aspects of
your orientation:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2001.htm
(1) exposure to
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Van Heijenoort argues that Engels was backwards with respect to the
mathematics of his time, and also narrow-minded and provincial with
respect
to the history of science (anti-English prejudice) coupled with an
This is all quite so. Marx's knowledge of developments in the calculus was
also behind the times, but Van Heijenoort absolves Marx of narrow-minded
dogmatism.
I still need to acquire a copy of that obscure bulletin containing Van H's
arguments against Novack. For some reason, I can't find a
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:01:24 -0500 Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is all quite so. Marx's knowledge of developments in the
calculus was
also behind the times, but Van Heijenoort absolves Marx of
narrow-minded
dogmatism.
I still need to acquire a copy of that obscure
Well, shiver me timbers! Didn't realize this was already online.
It's a curious essay, given Van H's later evolution. It is characteristic
of his dogmatism while he was in the Trotskyist movement. In 1942 he let
CLR James have it, in an essay which I think is also online.
Van is also not
Apologies, one or two problems crept into the last e-mail after I ran a
spell check. Here is the correct version:
Charles,
This passage was a response to several comrades who held the views I
criticise, and it seemed to me it dealt with more general ideas that others
held. So it was a
As for critiques of Engels and diamat, there's
little original left to
say. Two sources that immediately come to mind are:
James Scanlan, Marxism in the USSR (1985)
Richard Norman (good) and Sean Sayers (bad), HEGEL,
MARX, AND DIALECTIC.
Both excellent. See also:
Gustav Wetter,
Charles,
Thanks fot that! Just what I needed to plug a tiny hole in my anti-dialectic
thesis.
Rosa L
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Rosa,
What is that thesis again ?
Charles
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Charles,
Thanks fot that! Just what I needed to plug a tiny hole in my
anti-dialectic
thesis.
Rosa L
^^^
Rosa,
What is that thesis again ?
Charles
You can find it in extensive detail at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/
RL
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CB: Do you want to debate your thesis ? Is it ok to post some of your
polemic to this list ?
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You can find it in extensive detail at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/
RL
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CB; What about the fact that Marxism has not been a failure in practice,
but
a pretty
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