Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-27 Thread Leonid Gibiansky
regards, Pascal From: Leonid Gibiansky To: pascal.gir...@merckgroup.com Cc: "nmusers@globomaxnm.com" Date: 26/11/2012 21:40 Subject: Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset

Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-27 Thread pascal . girard
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Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-26 Thread Leonid Gibiansky
the Lake Leman would have said, NONMEM, sometimes, "It's a kind og magic!" :-) From: Herbert Struemper To: "nmusers@globomaxnm.com" Date: 26/11/2012 16:13 Subject: RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and en

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-26 Thread pascal . girard
, "It's a kind og magic!" :-) From: Herbert Struemper To: "nmusers@globomaxnm.com" Date: 26/11/2012 16:13 Subject: RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1 Sent by:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com Pascal,

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-26 Thread Herbert Struemper
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:11 PM To: Leonid Gibiansky; pascal.gir...@merckgroup.com Cc: nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1 Pascal: There is one more consideration. If your model depends on the use of covar

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-25 Thread Bauer, Robert
.@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of Leonid Gibiansky Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:15 PM To: pascal.gir...@merckgroup.com Cc: nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1 Hi Pascal, I think t

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-25 Thread Bauer, Robert
[NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1 Hi Pascal, In addition to Leonid's answer, if you have time-varying covariates and aren't explicitly computing the current value in the $DES block and are interpolating them (with something other tha

Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-23 Thread Denney, William S.
Hi Pascal, In addition to Leonid's answer, if you have time-varying covariates and aren't explicitly computing the current value in the $DES block and are interpolating them (with something other than LOCF), that could explain the difference. The reason would be that NONMEM only resets the val

Re: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-23 Thread Leonid Gibiansky
Hi Pascal, I think the problem is in the precision of the integration routine. With extra points, you change the ODE integration process and the results. I would use TOL=10 or higher in the original estimation. I have seen cases when changing TOL from 6 to 0 or 10 changed the outcome quite sig

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-23 Thread Lavigne, Jean
Dear Pascal, Here is an idea. You may want to do 1 simulation by having your POSTHOC estimates in the dataset (like a covariate), let's say your parameters are CL and V. You will need to fix to zero the ETAs and EPSs (or remove them from the model) and perhaps have a dummy variable not used i

RE: [NMusers] Different EBE estimation between original and enriched dataset with MDV=1

2012-11-23 Thread Joachim Grevel
Dear Pascal, What you observed is related to “speed” of estimation. With a larger dataset (many dummies) you slow down the estimation. Roughly similar to using the SLOW command in $EST. With an estimation that has difficulties to converge you see a difference in EBEs and other parameters. We sa