Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-11 Thread Doug Henwood
A PS to my previous posting. Should traditional ways of life be preserved forever? Or should we advocate more humane strategies of modernization than the World Bank, without differing fundamentally with the project of modernization? Should Brazilian Indians gather nuts for Ben & Jerry's foreve

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Thank you for your bibliography. Unfortunately none of the alternative strategies were specified in the polemic that was originally posted, nor are they ever in most of the popular anti-World Bank polemics I've seen. I see vague, pious exhortations for decentralized and people-friendly develop

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread David R Faust
On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, Ben Crow wrote: > There are at least two problems with the International Rivers Network/Faust > position: > > 1) as P. Le Prestre points out, it would be unwise to generalize from a > few cases. In one of his posts, David Faust, uses only the case of the > Narmada scheme

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread David R Faust
I'm not sure exactly what the point of Anthony D'Costa is, but it is important to note that in the case of the Narmada and other big dams in India, the issue is not of whether or not to do something to feed more people, since the small scale alternatives would do that. In the case of the Narmada

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread Ben Crow
There are at least two problems with the International Rivers Network/Faust position: 1) as P. Le Prestre points out, it would be unwise to generalize from a few cases. In one of his posts, David Faust, uses only the case of the Narmada scheme to make a general point about all big dams. 2) t

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread Anthony D'Costa
I know this will sound rather crude. But I do have a question that goes beyond the environmental and big dams issues. Why is the liberal left so bent on projecting a world that they cannot attain at home want to see it materialize in societies that do not operate on liberal principles? Feed

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread Anthony D'Costa
I thank Ben for bringing this up before I could. Anthony D'Costa On Thu, 9 Jun 1994, Ben Crow wrote: > Andrew Sessions has posted the 'Manibeli Declaration', a proposal from the > International Rivers Network, of Berkeley CA, that there be a > moratorium on World Bank funding of large dams.

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread David R Faust
On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, Doug Henwood wrote: > Ben Crow makes some very good points. The distinction between the enviros > and the forces of productivity is important - to oversimplify a bit, it's > what separates the greens from the reds. I see in a lot of green critique > an unexamined nostalg

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Ben Crow makes some very good points. The distinction between the enviros and the forces of productivity is important - to oversimplify a bit, it's what separates the greens from the reds. I see in a lot of green critique an unexamined nostalgia for traditional ways of life, a variant on noble

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-10 Thread Doug Henwood
I didn't quote this message because of its length, but it denounced World Bank financing for dams as environmentally destructive and destructive as well of indigenous communities and ways of life. The anti-damsters have an important point here, but I've never heard any views on a positive deve

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-09 Thread David R Faust
Since Ben Crow referred to an argument on another list about a California organization opposing the Narmada dam, I think it is appropriate to post the charge and the response from Patrick McCully of International Rivers Network. cheers David Faust -- Forwarded message -- Date: T

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-09 Thread David R Faust
On Thu, 9 Jun 1994, Ben Crow wrote: > Andrew Sessions has posted the 'Manibeli Declaration', a proposal from the > International Rivers Network, of Berkeley CA, that there be a > moratorium on World Bank funding of large dams. > > Whilst I think the declaration makes several useful points ab

Re: India and World Bank

1994-06-09 Thread Ben Crow
Andrew Sessions has posted the 'Manibeli Declaration', a proposal from the International Rivers Network, of Berkeley CA, that there be a moratorium on World Bank funding of large dams. Whilst I think the declaration makes several useful points about World Bank practices, and I hope that it ra

India and World Bank

1994-06-09 Thread Andrew Sessions
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