Re: Should C and C work in C ?

print this out and burn it :) $rant_about_wasting_resources_and_climate_change ;-) Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

Larry Wall wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:50:21PM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: > : I assume that 'Num' is meant to be a non-complex. > : Then it seems to make sense to assume: > : Int is Rat > : Rat is Num > : Num is Complex > : or am I off again? > > W

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

Trey Harris wrote: > In a message dated Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Moritz Lenz writes: >> I assume that 'Num' is meant to be a non-complex. >> Then it seems to make sense to assume: >> Int is Rat >> Rat is Num >> Num is Complex >> or am I off again? > &g

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

Mark J. Reed wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Moritz Lenz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for the effort, but it also raises new questions. For example: >>> Int is Num >> Rakudo doesn't do it that way, because the 'A is B' relatio

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

(cross-posting to p6l) Ryan Richter wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: >> 2) How do we know which numeric type is a class and which is a role? Is >> there an explicit spec about the types of number literals? That could >> have some impac

Type of literals

nt. What's our policy on that? Will a 1.WHAT always return Int? do we guarantee (1..4).WHAT always to be 'Range'? Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: [perl #56230] [PATCH] Multimethods for Complex.

should now that sqrt() is ambigous, because there are two possible results, and will revert to roots() for that. Any thoughts? Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: .join on Array

-') ? Probably the same as (~[1,3,5], 20).join('-') > Thanks! > > Pm -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

fallback semantics of list methods

t *g* (not serious) I haven't thought a lot about the third option, and what it would mean to the language as a whole, so I have no idea if it's a viable alternative. Any thoughts on the topic are welcome. I hope I didn't confuse too much here ;-) Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: Google index and subsets (two topics for the price of one!)

get declarative style constraint programming > for free: > > subset Crosshair of Point where { $_.inside_of($target_zone) }; > > Is that valid syntax? Yes. See http://perlcabal.org/syn/S02.html#Polymorphic_types for similar examples. Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

clarification on samecase() and samebase()

d, optional argument which specifies the operation mode? Or are they both "dump", and the regex engine does the mapping from smart to dump itself? Anyway, S29 needs clarification. BTW the naming seems inconsistent to me: same*case* preserves *case*, but same*base* preserves *

Re: building pugs under Fedora 9 doesn't work

Ryan Richter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:03:00PM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: >> My last successful build was r18093 with GHC 6.6.1. >> Maybe we should just die in Makefile.PL until somebody finds a fix. > > Maybe we should just revert the pugs source to t

make POST blocks more usable

with empty arguments? (or do exceptions ignore POST blocks anyway?) Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Private methods in classes and roles

because the lexical scoping of the 'my' is orthogonal to the scope of the class. class A { my method foo { } } class A is also { method bar { # no way to access self!foo here } } So is our method !foo {} allowed in classes? and is it the recommended way t

Private methods in classes and roles

heers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: grammar for 'constant' ?

f you leave off the optional 'my' or 'our' > that it defaults to 'my', or should it be 'our' like everything else? > > --John -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: given vs for

ng for. Thanks. > > Makes you wonder why the 'given' keyword was added, when for/when is so > close... I'd assume 'given' provides scalar context onto its argument, 'for' obviously provides list context. But I guess the main difference is that &

Re: New specdoc available

John M. Dlugosz wrote: > Moritz Lenz moritz-at-casella.verplant.org |Perl 6| wrote: >> John M. Dlugosz wrote: >> >>> I posted my current work at >>> http://www.dlugosz.com/files/specdoc.pdf >>> and .odt. >>> >> >> 3.1.1

Re: Clarify "Design by Contract"

John M. Dlugosz wrote: > Moritz Lenz moritz-at-casella.verplant.org |Perl 6| wrote: >> >> This is described in depth in "Object oriented software construction" by >> Bertrand Meyer. >> >> > OK, reading about it in Wiki, I see what it's suppose

Re: Idea: infir types of constants

stating that type information is determined at compile time, which seems like an optimization to me that doesn't need to be in perl 6.0.0. Of course any implementer is welcome to do perform that optimization where possible ;-) Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Clarify "Design by Contract"

dtional methods: class MyMath { method can_take_sqrt($x:){ $x >= 0; } method sqrt($x:){ PRE { $x.can_take_sqrt } ... } } class MyComplexMath is MyMath { method can_take_sqrt($x:){ True } ... } That way a user of class MyMath can always cal

Re: cross operator and empty list

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Technically the Cartesian cross operator doesn't have an identity value. It has. The set which contains only the emty set, or in perl terms ([]); Or am I missing something? Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signa

Re: What I'm Working On

John M. Dlugosz wrote: > I'm taking a stab at turning the S\d\d documents into a formal standard. That's certainly a nice idea, and much work. ++ for taking it. Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Getting Started - What to try?

subversion aka svn. The parrot repo contains parrot, rakudo (perl6 on parrot) and various other languages, the pugs repo contains pugs, STD.pm (the grammar), some of synopsis (in docs/Perl6/Spec/), kp6 (in v6/v6-KindaPerl6), smop (in v6/smop/) and various other stuff. Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Le

Regex syntax

this has been proposed and rejected before, please just tell me, I'm only following Perl 6 development for about a year). Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: pluralization idea that keeps bugging me

10n:en (or whatever) receives a list of pairs of strings and variables to interpolate, ['$m' => $m, '\s' => undef]. It can then decide what to do with it. Wait, that smells like macros, which are already specced - so never mind ;-) Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

POD in the test suite

I noticed that many test files contain "old" POD like this: =pod some description here =cut Should that all be replaced by the new POD? =begin description text here =end description -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Descriptio

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14485 - doc/trunk/design/syn

right string is longer than the left one, the remaining characters my $str = "määh"; $str =~ s:bb/.*/mo i/; is $str now 'mö i' ? Or does the space get a \N{COMBINING DIAERESIS}? Or is it tranlated to \N{DIAERESIS}? What about other non-letter characters? -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Sequential bias in S04 (and Perl6 in general)

inferred from data dependencies. I think that the concurrency synopsis is still useful for explicit threading, STM and the like. Also note that Perl 6 tries to preserver Perl's soul, and is not an Erlang based language ;-) Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Concurrency

rrency.pod (still a draft) contains a bit more helpful information. > Hopefully I'm not inadvertently starting any kind of flame-fest > about anyone's favorite concurrency model here :-D Why flame, when we can have all of them at once? ;-) Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Some questions about using NaN and Inf

me sort of constaint on the return value that > they wouldn't want exceptional values. return a native type? -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14421 - doc/trunk/design/syn

en't read enough real Perl 6 that is annotated with Pod 6. So everybody reading this is now condemned to write an OO Perl 6 module, and document it with Pod 6 ;-) -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Web Module (Was: Perl6 new features)

Smylers wrote: > Moritz Lenz writes: > >> You could help by contributing some suggestions to what the new "Web" >> module should be able to do, and how so. Web is hopefully "CGI done >> right", and still in its early planning stage. > > Web modu

Re: Perl6 new features

ould be changed to some extents. You should discuss that on p5p, not here. Only Perl 6 is on topic here. > Is there a place where we can add suggestions ? apart from the first one in... > 2003 ? 4 years ago ? You can write them here on p6l. -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.

Re: Perl6 new features

> language ! You could help by contributing some suggestions to what the new "Web" module should be able to do, and how so. Web is hopefully "CGI done right", and still in its early planning stage. Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Perl 6 & Parrot Essentials as project documentation

rl.org/perl6/doc is very low. I'd suggest something beneath <http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/>, perhaps essentials/ Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: Perl 6 & Parrot Essentials as project documentation

rl.org/perl6/doc is very low. I'd suggest something beneath <http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/>, perhaps essentials/ Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14421 - doc/trunk/design/syn

rpreter/compiler rather hard - why should we stop with this philosophy when talking about POD and POD-Parser? I'd find it very annoying to have lines starting with '=' in a heredoc beeing counted as POD. Humans don't think in terms of lines, but in terms of visual blocks (at leas

Re: POD <-> Code entanglement

Thomas Wittek wrote: > Moritz Lenz: >> =begin pod >> >> =head3 C >> [..] >> =end pod >> >> method from_string(Str $s){ >> # implementation of that method here >> } >> >> Since method signatures are very expressive in

POD <-> Code entanglement (was: Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14421 - doc/trunk/design/syn)

ass and document it properly. I'm sure you'll end up doing the same as I did. ATM I don't know that should be implemented, but perhaps somebody else can think of a good way. -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

Moritz Lenz wrote: > Thomas Wittek wrote: >> Moritz Lenz schrieb: >>>> I would also like semicolons to be optional. >>> Most people don't ;-). >> Oh, really? Source? :) > > I paraphrased Larry Wall. Iirc it was "everybody wants the semicol

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

Thomas Wittek wrote: > Moritz Lenz schrieb: >>> What makes Perl hard to read is the excessive use of special characters >>> (/\W/). >> >> I disagree: The make it look ugly, but not hard to read. > > Even if it's "only" ugly: To what advantage

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

o implementation will ever finish. I don't think most of are not open to new point of views, but regard p6 they just don't help atm. Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

n code here Don't get me wrong, there's nothing bad in writing some critics, but yours is impossible to realize in Perl 6, and therefore are it's hard to call it constructive. Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ | http://perl-6.de/

Re: What should file test operators return?

Hi, brian d foy wrote: > At the moment the file test operators that I expect to return true or > false do, but the true is the filename. that helps chaining of file test: $fn ~~ :t ~~ :x or something. If you want a boolean, use ? $fn ~~ :x or something. HTH, Moritz -- Moritz Len

Re: Does =$*ARGS work?

Hi, brian d foy wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Moritz Lenz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> brian d foy wrote: >>> Under the section "The for Statement" in S04, it says that the diamond >>> operator >>&

Re: Does =$*ARGS work?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] That seems more reasonable, because the command line arguments are stored in @*ARGS. I can't answer your question, sorry ;-). Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ - http://sudokugarden.de/ - http://perl-6.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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