Re: [Standards] XEP-0410: MUC Self-Ping - Feature needed?

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 18:23, Florian Schmaus wrote: > On 08.01.19 17:00, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > > On Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 16:50:43 CET Georg Lukas wrote: > >> * Jonas Schäfer [2018-12-14 16:18]: > >>> I think adding a distinct feature is a good idea. Even if clients don’t > >>> act on it

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0410 (MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat))

2019-01-08 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 04:54:22PM -, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0410. > > Title: MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat) > Abstract: > This protocol extension for XEP-0045 Multi User Chat allows clients to > check whether they are

Re: [Standards] XEP-0410: MUC Self-Ping - Feature needed?

2019-01-08 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 08.01.19 17:00, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > On Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 16:50:43 CET Georg Lukas wrote: >> * Jonas Schäfer [2018-12-14 16:18]: >>> I think adding a distinct feature is a good idea. Even if clients don’t >>> act on it (I’m not sure what they could (not) do by knowing that the >>>

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0410 (MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat))

2019-01-08 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Am Di., 8. Jan. 2019 um 16:55 Uhr schrieb Jonas Schäfer : > 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol > stack or to clarify an existing protocol? I’m not sure. Is the intent of the XEP to keep me reliably connected to a MUC or is it intended to figure out if I’m connected

Re: [Standards] XEP-0410: MUC Self-Ping - Feature needed?

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Cridland
Yes, I think a distinct feature is needed, and that feature should indicate support for the optimisation in §3.3. On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 15:01, Georg Lukas wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to ask for a Last Call for XEP-0410. It's got implemented in > two clients and two servers so far: > > -

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0410 (MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat))

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 16:55, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0410. > > Title: MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat) > Abstract: > This protocol extension for XEP-0045 Multi User Chat allows clients to > check whether they are still joined

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0410 (MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat))

2019-01-08 Thread Jonas Schäfer
On Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 17:54:22 CET Jonas Schäfer wrote: > 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol > stack or to clarify an existing protocol? Yes, sadly. The introduction covers this quite nicely. > 2. Does the specification solve the problem stated in the

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0280 (Message Carbons)

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 16:54, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0280. > > Title: Message Carbons > Abstract: > In order to keep all IM clients for a user engaged in a conversation, > outbound messages are carbon-copied to all interested

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0410 (MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat))

2019-01-08 Thread XSF Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0410. Title: MUC Self-Ping (Schrödinger's Chat) Abstract: This protocol extension for XEP-0045 Multi User Chat allows clients to check whether they are still joined to a chatroom. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0410.html

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload)

2019-01-08 Thread XSF Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0363. Title: HTTP File Upload Abstract: This specification defines a protocol to request permissions from another entity to upload a file to a specific path on an HTTP server and at the same time receive a URL from which that file

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0280 (Message Carbons)

2019-01-08 Thread XSF Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0280. Title: Message Carbons Abstract: In order to keep all IM clients for a user engaged in a conversation, outbound messages are carbon-copied to all interested resources. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html This

Re: [Standards] XEP-0410: MUC Self-Ping - Feature needed?

2019-01-08 Thread Jonas Schäfer
On Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 16:50:43 CET Georg Lukas wrote: > * Jonas Schäfer [2018-12-14 16:18]: > > I think adding a distinct feature is a good idea. Even if clients don’t > > act on it (I’m not sure what they could (not) do by knowing that the > > server does (not) support it), it is useful to

Re: [Standards] XEP-0410: MUC Self-Ping - Feature needed?

2019-01-08 Thread Georg Lukas
* Jonas Schäfer [2018-12-14 16:18]: > I think adding a distinct feature is a good idea. Even if clients don’t act > on > it (I’m not sure what they could (not) do by knowing that the server does > (not) support it), it is useful to meter the deployment in the wild. > > I suggest to use