Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com writes: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant. No argument with the reality, but note that in the US parcel means an area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/21 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com No argument with the reality, but note that in the US parcel means an area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the registry of deeds) and can be bought and sold. I suspect that your entire allotments area is one parcel and that the per-person areas

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread ael
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37:01PM +0100, Lukas Hornby wrote: Hi, For your consideration, please read and comment on my proposal to improve the way that allotments, particularly plots on allotments are tagged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplot My initial reaction is

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread SomeoneElse
Lukas Hornby wrote: In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in rare cases. Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US (and

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/18 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk It may well be that almost no-one has mapped allotment plots before**, looking a bit around in Berlin, which in some areas is full of allotment gardens, relieves that some areas are indeed mapped up to the plot. They simply used

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:22 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Lukas Hornby wrote: In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is from a British perspective. Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in rare cases.

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/18 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? taking into account that

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread John F. Eldredge
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this? Colin On 2013-09-18

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: taking into account that this is about a subdivison of landuse=allotments and not applotments it sounds reasonable to use lot ;-) I note the smiley, but FWIW they're a different root, apparently: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allot

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Dan S
2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Steve Doerr
On 18/09/2013 12:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I still have yet to find a definition of lot. Can someone point me to one that is unabigious, from Wikipedia or a dictionary? Wikipedia's definition of lot is the same as my own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot (that is what comes up when

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread fly
Am 18.09.2013 19:15, schrieb Lukas Hornby: In terms of procedure, should I rename the proposal, or abandon it and start a new? Renaming should be Ok as it was not tagged much and is only a few days old. Maybe right a note about landuse=* and why renaming. cu fly

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Chris Hill
On 18/09/13 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote: HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point. I

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 09/18/2013 11:45 AM, Dan S wrote: 2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context? Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch of land. But I'm a

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Lukas Hornby
HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point. I am moved to resubmit this proposal under the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/09/2013 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote: HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point.

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/18 Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com ...or alternatively: it's clear a tag for an individual plot is needed, but after that point it got bikeshedded to death. +1 I will try stating what is needed as clearly as I can: A plot is the individual parcel of land within and

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread John F. Eldredge
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 September 2013 18:44, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: We already tag the whole site as landuse=allotments and we just need to mark individual plots with allotment[s]=plot(*). This makes it clear it's an

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Lukas Hornby
Please note I have renamed the proposed tag as allotment=plot as a sub-tag of landuse=allotments. The page has been amended accordingly http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:allotments%3Dplot Voting will start on the 20th September (This Friday) and finish on Wednesday 27th

[Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-17 Thread Lukas Hornby
Hi, For your consideration, please read and comment on my proposal to improve the way that allotments, particularly plots on allotments are tagged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplot Thanks, Lukas Hornby (Developer - Grow Bradford) http://www.growbradford.org.uk/

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what landuse is for. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
Wolfgang Zenker wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org wrote: Hi, * Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com [130918 00:53]: 1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. this might be a case of the UK and the US being separated by a common language. We are talking