Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 07:07:19AM +1000, Liz wrote: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to the data. But this is the key need for those who are rather interested in the data than the legalese. Please develop the tool first or leave sufficient time to let develop

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. [...] What could we (you/me/LWG) do to make this more inclusive? Just some bullet points at first, explanation follows: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Roland Olbricht schrieb: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to the data. But this is the key need for those who are rather interested in the data than the legalese. I would say that the new licence might be good, beter than the old one BUT: I also interested MUCH MORE

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: But I don't will accept any data loss because only of legal reasons. Wikipedia and other projects changed licence without any loss of data. Unfortunately Wikipedia took advantage of a loophole: contributors agreed to the current GFDL or any later version, and they

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Michael Barabanov
Consider two cases: 1. Current license does not cover the OSM data (I think that's the OSMF view). In this case, OSMF can just change to ODBL without asking anyone. 2. Current license does cover the OSM data. Then there's no need to change. Where's the issue? On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:55 PM,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 14 July 2010 14:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: I.e. can the legal advice only be shared among people actually on the LWG conference call, and not all OSMF members? Who can be on the call - LWG members, any OSMF member, or anyone involved in the project? Actually, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in

[OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread James Livingston
On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in many languages. I'd think having English-only discussion at a set time

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in

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