Re: [Talk-transit] SotM: tram network of Milano

2018-07-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the code is public available as part of the Overpass API repository and has always been. A pointer to the main file is: https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/blob/minor_issues/src/pt_diagrams/topographic.cc I'm sorry for the confusion. "not publicly announced" shall mean that t

[Talk-transit] SotM: tram network of Milano

2018-07-27 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, FWIW for all those travelling to Milano. I have been unable to find a map of the tram network - the local operator ATM only has a subway map. Therefore, I have autogenerated a map. A variant without subways: http://olbricht.nrw/misc/tram_milano.svg A variant with subways: ht

Re: [Talk-transit] stop_position proposal

2018-04-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, as a follow-up a statistic about whether highway=bus_stop is rather used on-street or off-street. The vast majority is (now) mapping bus stops off the street. The numbers vary, 99% of all bus stops in United Kingdom are mapped off street, about 80%-90% in France, Italy, and Germany.

[Talk-transit] stop_position proposal

2018-04-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, there is another proposal, distinct from Polyglot's proposal that is in RFC since some days: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drop_stop_positions_and_platforms Before I tell a personal opinion, I would like to present some related facts. The basic idea is to loo

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport

2018-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi Polyglot, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport_map_all_stops_as_nodes I do agree that it would be easier for everyone to have one and only one member on the line relation per actual stop. However, trains and sometimes also trams can have a significant leng

[Talk-transit] FYI: A proposal that may harm public transport tagging

2017-11-14 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear all, there is another proposal that affects public transport on the way: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metro_Mapping#Voting The initiator has not posted it here despite I have told him he should do. In addition, the proposal is at odds with several established prac

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
at years ago and each eventually resigned. There is quite a vocal part of the community concerned with more rural-style services, and they have defeated so far all apporaches to metropolitan style information to OSM. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht MENTZ GmbH, Am Mittelhafen 10, 48155

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
I'm sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean that one person should just blindly dump every GTFS feed into OSM and leave it to others to clean up. I was thinking of something that an individual mapper could use to import the feed(s) in their particular area and resolve conflicts or errors before up

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, OTOH, this doesn't seem like a huge problem if we're importing the data from elsewhere using automated tools and only tweaking by hand where it's wrong--and ideally, there should be some sort of feedback mechanism to get the source corrected so even that's a short-term problem. Well, that'

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-20 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear fellow mappers, Is anyone interested in updating these tools? I can provide lots of input and testing, but my Java skills aren't where they need to be to attempt this alone. I'm the author of the public_transport plugin. I would be interested in restarting development. It's not about Ja

[Talk-transit] Purge tag "priority" from tracks

2016-04-08 Thread Roland Olbricht
st of the ways are) and one changeset for UK. Best regards, Roland -- Dr. Roland Olbricht mdv - Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH Am Mittelhafen 10 48155 Münster e-Mail: olbri...@mentz.net Tel: +49 (0) 251 70330 232 Fax: +49 (0) 251 70330 300 http://www.mentz.net Sitz der Gesellschaft: Grillparzerstr

Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station

2013-12-07 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, > 1. Position of tag railway=station > There are currently two approaches [1]: > (i) on a node within the main concourse area > (ii) on an area encompassing the land used for passenger services (including > any concourse, platforms and associated tracks) I strongly opt for (i). As you have me

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-02 Thread Roland Olbricht
First of all, it's great to see that the list comes back to life again. I hope we can use the enthusiasm to solve some of the problems that have hade public transport mapping so tedious. One of the core issues is that there are very different concepts of what makes up a bus service. In the cit

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS compatibility

2010-09-10 Thread Roland Olbricht
> I'd be very glad if the bug could be somehow corrected (sorry, not a Java > programmer myself). It should be corrected now. The plugin now ignores commas within double quotation marks and removes all double quotation marks from the input. Do you know how single quotation marks (') and/or escap

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS compatibility

2010-07-01 Thread Roland Olbricht
> But we are still in the thinking-about-this stage, haven't made any > decisions, and are looking for suggestions and comments (hence this > posting). Let me make a suggestion: instead of producing duplicates and leaving mappers with the frustrating task of tiding up, you could use JOSM to do

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed changes to oxomoa schema [part 1]

2010-06-28 Thread Roland Olbricht
> those two would meet in point A, from which the branch line sets > off/rejoins the core line. So a hypothetical future route-finding > algorithm would follow different_route to its end, upon meeting core line > it would continue along. It just doesn't work. Having an unordered relation or eve

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops in North America from GTFS data

2010-06-10 Thread Roland Olbricht
> > You may want to follow > > British/German standard. There is a tag that identifies stops uniquely, > > sorry can't recall at the moment. The last time I saw it was > > Siegburg/Bonn train station. Do you mean the "ref" tag as on node 160621? I'd strongly advice not to follow that way. The "re

Re: [Talk-transit] Bus data from Northern Belgium

2010-04-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, > I acquired the data from http://delijn.be, especially for OSM (and some > other projects). > > Here is the data [...] > I made a POI of all bus stops: One for Garmin, one for Tomtom, you can > convert using gpsbabel.org > http://users.fulladsl.be/spb13810/research/map/POIdelijn.tar.bz2

Re: [Talk-transit] more admins for talk-transit please!

2010-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
> Can I have at least 2 more people who will take up the role and check > the spam queue every day or so? It is not hard but one does get > various offers that it is best not to follow up! Do you still need help? I would be glad if I can help. Cheers, Roland

[Talk-transit] Annoucement: Plugin for JOSM enhanced

2010-04-15 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the Public Transport plug-in for JOSM has been enhanced to simplify the mapping of stops and stations. You can now convert a GPX file semi- automatically to (bus) stops in the map, just with a few keystrokes. The reworked documentation is available at http://wiki.openstreetmap.o

Re: [Talk-transit] [Sketch-line] suggestion of improvement

2010-03-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
> Suggestion of improvement Sketch-line from an example : > http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=Ginko&ref=7&correspondences=100 > > The ways forward and backward are not on the same streets for the line 7 > in Besançon. > The Scheme > * relation:line > ** relation:route > ** relation:route

[Talk-transit] RFC on tram stops

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, What is the consensus on how to map tram stops? I've found "highway=tram_stop" as well as "railway_tram_stop". The wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trams says nothing about that. Cheers, Roland ___ Talk-transit mailing li

[Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like connect two (or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are intended to change into a nearby train station). This is often

[Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg generated by the URL http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch

[Talk-transit] Public Transport Plugin

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, the Public Transport Plugin for JOSM has been updated and has now a comprehensive documentation at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/public_transport Any comment welcome. Cheers, Roland ___ Talk-transit mailing list Ta

Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 14, Issue 4

2010-02-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
> That's so cool! Well, I have used that format for line 365296 cause in that > case the stops are the same node, placed on the way for both directions, > cause it's a tramway, and I would have to insert them twice in the > relation, right?, while in the other cases, the bus stops are placed off >

Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 14, Issue 4

2010-02-12 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Tiziano, > Just I have one issue: In this way the sketch from your site (i.e. > http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-route?365296) is drawn thinking that all > stops are in one direction only, while in every relation all the stops I > put are ordered and with the tag "forward_stop" for one direction

Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 14, Issue 4

2010-02-11 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Chen, > Now I see how difficult it is for public transit.Yet I wonder if a public > transport graph is more realistic? It depends on whether you can invest some time. The simplest and fastest solution might be to use existing systems. A well-known map is http://www.öpnvkarte.de but this is

Re: [Talk-transit] Help: Bus Stop Data Extraction for Bus Routing Service

2010-02-09 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear Grace, > We would like to extract public transport data for public transit routing > service in Sweden. This will be a difficult, maybe impossible task at the moment. Public transport data are a complicated matter. Most important for you might be that there is no timetable information in

Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2010-02-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, thank you for trying the plugin. > Cool. So far I've seen a new menu item "Public transport" having > appearing in my main menu. Anything else to discover? No, that's all so far. At the moment, the plugin facilitates to build bus services when the underlying streets and bus stops already

[Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2010-02-05 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, as I consider mapping bus services as quite intricate, I've written a plugin for JOSM to make editing for comfortable. It is not very mature so far, but I would be grateful for any bug reports, comments and suggestions: The plugin itself http://78.46.81.38/misc/public_transport.jar And s

Re: [Talk-transit] OSM / OPNV-Karte to Excel/SVG

2010-01-26 Thread Roland Olbricht
> I wonder if it's possible to query for multiple routes at once and not just > for one at a time... Try http://78.46.81.38/api/nodes-csv-gzip?382350&all or the respective version with forward and backward. What I have forgotten to metion is that the server is always some hours behind and update

Re: [Talk-transit] OSM / OPNV-Karte to Excel/SVG

2010-01-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Am Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 00:16:18 schrieb Tiziano D'Angelo: > Hello to everyone! > > As another bonus to the work done, I'd love to export the data of each > route relation first to some excel/text/CSV file or database where I can > see lat/long + name of the stop in the correct forward/backwar

Re: [Talk-transit] bus route/relations done right

2009-11-17 Thread Roland Olbricht
> Can I suggest we define some terms. > > A Line is all the journeys made using a particular reference (4, X13, > Citi1 etc). [...] > A Line Variant (also know as a Service Variant) is a unique stopping > pattern for a bunch of Journeys within a Line. (ie inbound, outbound, > inbound via the schoo

[Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2009-08-22 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, I would like to add to the map the bus routes of Wuppertal. After starting with a sample (4 out of about 50 routes), it turned out to be a tedious task due to poor tool support. Thus, I'm thinking about writing a JOSM plugin to simplify editing. Are there already efforts to wr