RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
In other words, non-essentials don’t really matter in the light of eternity? What do you consider essentials to be? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthT

RE: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, What if it matters to Him? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?   In a message dated 5/7/2004 5:31:28 PM Pacific Daylig

[TruthTalk] Thoughts

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
  By the way, my Sweetie and I (and our grey Sheltie, Lacey) just got back home from a wonderful evening picnic in Forest Park. (The 3rd largest, and MOST wonderful park in America I think.)  We sat on a blanket against a tall locust tree just around the edge of the lake from the Boathouse

RE: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think it matters Very Much.  Pursue holiness.  Pursue righteousness.  Let NOTHING be more important to you.  Pursue Him.  You will have eternity to wish you had.  Time is short.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday

RE: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
There are no shanties in heaven. But there will be wonderful degrees of higher service, and dwelling closer to the wonderful City. (To him who has much, shall much be given.  The parable of the talents, etc.) Our greatest reward will be that we served him to the best of our capabilities.  A

RE: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] When Did We Exist?   In a message dated 5/7/2004 7:22:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Correct. J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test   In a message dated 5/7/2004 7:39:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] w

RE: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING   OH, IZZY, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH A MAN WHO KNOWS E

RE: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ya gotta know what to appreciate, Sister.  J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING   Izzy   I think your e

RE: [TruthTalk] Where do we really disagree?

2004-05-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
need to explain my starting point more but I am awfully tired.  I shall write it up next week if you wish.  Thank you for responding to me Izzy.   Peace and joy,   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:29 AM

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey's Memory Course

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, Perhaps the problem is that Elsman forgot what they were. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey's Memory Course   DAVEH:  I do

RE: [TruthTalk] [ChristianChatter] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, What about the Restoration hermeneutics do you like? Or is that too big of a question? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [ChristianChat

RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thank you John. () Just ask your wife who is the smarter of the two of you.  She will smile and say, “Why of course you are, Honey.”  (That means she’s the smarter one. J  )  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesda

RE: [TruthTalk] Who did Jesus Die for and Who did He Reconcile to Himself?

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jonathan,   To me He died to take away the sins of the whole world, but we must receive that to have it.  Like any gift. It’s voluntary (not compulsory) whether you want it or not. Is that too simplistic for you?  There are plenty of scriptures to show that not all enter into eternal lif

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey's Memory Course

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, Why does John sign his name "JD" sometimes? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey's Memory Course Jim, you're

RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM

2004-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
John,   Happily Jesus was not one of the “Christians” who minimalized women.  None of us rally want that.  I don’t agree with David M that women are intellectually inferior (even if I am), however I do think you can note that there are different I.Q. average for different races. (Mongolo

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test: Interesting question

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, Those are very thoughtful beliefs that everyone should consider. Some things are true, no matter what our "religious" beliefs. I especially like your #1. I wonder, how do you think adhering to them affects your eternity? Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, could you describe it? Izzy --

RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
You may be onto something here, Dave H. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM David Miller wrote:

RE: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Happy, as always, to provide some comic relief on TT. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] RANDOM Thoughts ON A ST. LOUIS EVENING Jim Els

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test: Interesting question

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, Why has death been a constant companion during your life? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arsene Lupin Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test: Interesting question Lau

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, Thanks for the interesting website.  I also agree that we won’t be “raptured” out of the earth.  See, there’s hope for us to agree on things! J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting questions, Izzy.

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, Where did you come up with these Asatru beliefs? Sometimes I think you are putting us on, and sometimes I think you are really serious. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arsene Lupin Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Just Musing

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, How do you think God carries out His judgments, except through the wicked? (Later He judges them.) It doesn’t matter to me if America is not the be all and end all.  Something precious is dying is America dies.  There will never be another one.  It is devastating to me.  Izzy  

RE: [TruthTalk] young widows

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
I TIM: 5 Now she who is a widow indeed and who has been left alone, has fixed her hope on God and continues in entreaties and prayers night and day. 6 But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives. Terry, I don't see any reference to the widow remarrying here. Ma

RE: [TruthTalk] Christology and Chronology

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jonathan, As usual on lengthy, thoughtful posts like yours I print it out and study it during my quiet time when I can spend more effort on understanding it.  I’m looking forward to it. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Sat

RE: [TruthTalk] Just Musing

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, John. Go get ‘em!  Izzy (Born on the 4th of July and proud of it.)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Just Musing   Mixed feelings on this

RE: [TruthTalk] Christology and Chronology

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, Jonathan, what kind of writing “engagements” do you do? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christology and Chronology   Jonathan

RE: [TruthTalk] young widows

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
against Christ, they desire to marry, having condemnation.". Look at verses 11-12. I do not see the widows in verse six as necessarily being the same widows in verses 11-12. What do you think? Oh OH , I asked a woman to teach! Can I ever find forgivness? ShieldsFamily wrote: >

RE: [TruthTalk] young widows

2004-05-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Laura, Besides—isn’t going to nice places with girlfriends just a bunch more fun? (Ever notice that women laugh a lot more when they are with other women?)  BTW, Did you ever read The Red Tent?  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] ???????

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily Sent: 05/02/2004 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] This is Mrs. Chris Barr - I call him Tirshatha   I am sure you have written these words from your own heart, but

RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, John, you’re on a roll! LOL! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM   In a message dated 5/3/2004 3:13:

RE: [TruthTalk] shutting up ElsmanlAW IN ONE CLEAN SHOT

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I assume that by "her place" you mean Queen of the Household? :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] shutting up ElsmanlAW IN ONE CLEAN SHOT

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Too funny Iz -Original Message- Going to that website that John S. recommended is like going to the democratic party to find out about George Bush. Don't believe everything you hear there. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how

[TruthTalk] Another Ad Hom attack by Elsman

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
This definitely looks like another ad-hom attack to me.  How many does Elsman expect to be allowed I wonder? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ho

RE: [TruthTalk] ???????

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hubert had the same attitude towards women, and if that is why his wife was not with him when he died.  Heartbreaking situation either way, I’m sure.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, Oh, so true!  (Surely, I am the exception!!!) J  But in all seriousness, that is one reason I don’t like to argue (versus polite, serious discussion) about doctrine—especially non-essential doctrine.  Who among us can say I am totally right and you are totally wrong?  (Well, other th

RE: [TruthTalk] ??????? HUBERT LOVED HIS PHOEBE

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks, Elsman, for the information.  It sounds like Holy Hubert was a really wonderful husband who put his wife ahead of himself.  The Lord gives the biggest saints the biggest crosses to bear.  However, it is heartbreaking that he had no one there with him when he died—it brings tears to

RE: [TruthTalk] shutting up ElsmanlAW IN ONE CLEAN SHOT

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
hTalk] shutting up ElsmanlAW IN ONE CLEAN SHOT ShieldsFamily wrote: >I assume that by "her place" you mean Queen of the Household? :-) Izzy > > > I was thinking more like "Her husband's little treasure". She should be at the door to meet him when he comes in

RE: [TruthTalk] Holy Hubert Lindsey & THE SICKNESS OF JOHN SMITHSON

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Fortunately I don’t even remember what comment Barr made about my marriage, so it hasn’t ruined my day. J Actually, Chris is Daniel’s mentor, but I don’t believe either of them know Elsman personally.  However, Elsman seems to be the leader of the pack on TT.  (Simply because his prin

RE: [TruthTalk] ??????? HUBERT LOVED HIS PHOEBE

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Are you sure you aren’t secretly a stand-up comedian? I can’t take much of this as my sides are going to start hurting! LOL!!! Izzy   Justly or unjustly -- do you have an opinion  (am I asking Els for an opinion -- I am going intot he front room to have my wife slap me).

[TruthTalk] Another AdHom Attack from Elsman

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Another adhom attack. We are still counting, Elsman. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] THE MORBID CURIOSITY OF JOHN BUTTERBALL   In a messa

RE: [TruthTalk] Els - the anti HH site address

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
You have to remove the last backslash. (Just advise from a woman.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Els - the anti HH site address   In a

RE: [TruthTalk] THE MORBID CURIOSITY OF JOHN BUTTERBALL

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
http://www.wcer.wisc.edu/people/pi.asp?sid=590     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] THE MORBID CURIOSITY OF JOHN BUTTERBALL   Elsman, What is wrong with you

RE: [TruthTalk] THE MORBID CURIOSITY OF JOHN BUTTERBALL

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
http://jesuslawyer.com   (Which one is cutest to you)  LOL! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] THE MORBID CURIOSITY OF JOHN BUTTERBALL   Elsman

RE: [TruthTalk] THE SECRET LIFE OF JOHN BUTTERBALL SMITHSON

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, I picked out the cutest John Smithson I could find.  Sorry, but I could only find your actual photo. Izzy      IZZY, MY DARLING, YOU ASKED: SMITHSON IS A KNOWN QUANTITY FROM ANOTHER SITE.  

RE: [TruthTalk] THE SECRET LIFE OF JOHN BUTTERBALL SMITHSON

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, If you’d like to throw darts at my photo: http://shieldsfamily.com/linda_pages.htm#Never%20Fear%20link  Izzy (a.k.a. Linda)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE

RE: [TruthTalk] THE SECRET LIFE OF JOHN BUTTERBALL SMITHSON

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, I think the website is the only copy I have. You are welcome to it. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] THE SECRET LIFE OF JOHN BUTTERBALL

RE: [TruthTalk] THE SECRET LIFE OF JOHN BUTTERBALL SMITHSON

2004-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, thanks for the interesting background.  But you know it really wasn’t necessary ; we can tell what kind of person you are. J Izzy     I personally believe that if gossip and lies are not eventually dealt with, they become "fact" as a result of the "where there is smoke t

RE: [TruthTalk] What does Izzy know?

2004-05-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] What does Izzy know?   \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily Sent: 05/02/2004 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] This is Mrs. Chris

RE: [TruthTalk] What does Izzy know?

2004-05-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
be confirmed.” (Deut. 19:15) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What does Izzy know?   Since I have said I won’t discuss this further, I guess you know you are

RE: [TruthTalk] [ChristianChatter] When Did We Exist?

2004-05-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, May I ask why? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [ChristianChatter] When Did We Exist?   In a message dated 5/5/2

RE: [TruthTalk] Appalachian "snake handlers"??

2004-05-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Was there supposed to be an attachment?    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Appalachian "snake handlers"??   Do any of you come from this tradition?

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: One full Pot of Water.....]

2004-04-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Gosh, I thought maybe I was the ONLY one Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: One full Pot of Water.]   ShieldsFamily wrote

RE: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's"The Mediation of Christ"

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
I guess I missed it—is Bill threatening to leave us now? Why? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller on TFTorrance's"The Mediation of Chris

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Galatians 5: 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers   In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- What if we have disputes with joy and patience? Terry     I could go for that. J Izzy

[TruthTalk] wimpy sorry "Men"

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
    In a message dated 4/30/2004 10:44:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LAURA,    ARE YOU ANOTHER WOMAN WHO OPPOSES THE DOCTRINE THAT EVERY WOMAN MUST BE SUBJECT TO A MALE?  I AM MOST SERIOUS ABOUT THIS POINT.  IT IS BIBLICAL.    

RE: [TruthTalk] Exodus 31 Shabbat

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Daniel, Hypocrites like you make me ashamed to associate myself with Sabbath keepers, although I am one. Who are you to make assumptions about people you don't even know? You are a prime example of why it is more important to walk in the fruit of the Spirit than to keep every jot and tittle of the

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
I AM being joyful and patient! J Izzy  (VERY joyful!!!)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers   In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:05:21

RE: [TruthTalk] Exodus 31 Shabbat

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
You can kiss my kitty litter you little pud. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Lee Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exodus 31 Shabbat Hello Izzy whore (I CALL YOU A WHORE BECAUS

RE: [TruthTalk] Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit

2004-04-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Don’t let the turkeys get you down.  Daniel is a flyspeck and doesn’t bother me in the teeniest.  Folks who don’t deserve any respect are totally impotent; they just don’t know it.  (Although I must admit I don’t mind causing him to gnash his teeth a bit, while spitting venom.) And ev

RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism: are we all wet? THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, My favorite story about Wigglesworth is the one where one night he was awakened by the presence of a large dark, evil presence at the foot of his bed. He sat up and saw that it was satan himself. To which Wigglesworth said, "Oh, it's only you," turned over and went back to sleep. :-) Iz

RE: [TruthTalk] Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
David,    It seems that Daniel, and those like him, show the danger of men trying to keep the Law apart from the Holy Spirit.  My husband last night was marveling that such men think that their scriptural authority as men is license for them to bludgeon women—quite unlike Jesus.  Isn’t i

RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism: are we all wet? THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, You are such a man of God.  Your humility shines. Izzy  PS I hope you have a good ophthalmologist.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism: ar

RE: [TruthTalk] Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
worth my company.  When sweet little Laura started barking back at Elsman like a little mouse standing up to a monster, that was all it took for me.  J I respectfully inquire as to your opinion. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Agreed! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers   Absolutely right on and well stated.    Hang in there  -- 

RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, We love your humor. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers   In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:48:06 AM Pac

[TruthTalk] FW: Truth

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
I have to forward this on to you, which was sent to me off-line last night by Dave H. Izzy <>

RE: [TruthTalk] Teaching

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, I think sometimes we are teaching, sometimes we are inquiring, sometimes we are encouraging each other, and sometimes we are just trying to figure out if we really believe what we think we do. But it could all look the same, don’t you think? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [

RE: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken???

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
I keep getting these emails lately on TT that do not show the email they are responding to.  Is that a problem with my computer, or are you folks forgetting to attach the email you are responding to? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir

RE: [TruthTalk] We do not base what we believe on what others teach????

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bingo!   Is the problem, then, not that Daniel reproduced but that his parents did? John

RE: [TruthTalk] Why women are excellent teachers.

2004-05-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, You are my most favorite Pagan. It was nice talking to you when David had the chatline. Although, true to your gender, all you seemed to tune in for was hitting on the chicks that came by. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ars

RE: [TruthTalk] Why women are excellent teachers.

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
No wonder you are called the Pagan WOLF. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arsene Lupin Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 8:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why women are excellent teachers. Izzy: TPW, You are my mo

RE: [TruthTalk] The LOWer Limits

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, You can change that to read “The LOWER Limits”.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] The Outer Limits   \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ G

RE: [TruthTalk] Terry et al

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, If you are asking if I’m an Adventist, the answer is nope.  Seems they have some fringy beliefs so I’ve not even looked into them.  Just non-denominational. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:1

RE: [TruthTalk] Shabbat COVERING OF FEMALE HEADS?

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, We are all still waiting to hear from your wife’s answers to my questionnaire. Why haven’t to know-it-all cave men unchained their women so they can drag themselves to the computer to speak up for what wonderful husband’s you all are Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy: It cannot be helped.

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW: Anyone so interested in love can't help but eventually melt into love with Jesus. I also find it interesting that you, an "outsider" can so clearly point out the hypocrisy of those on TT who claim to represent the Word. Of course, even a blind man could do that, but you at least know many of

RE: [TruthTalk] Shabbat Shalom Report: 5/1/04

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dungeon master? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Shabbat Shalom Report: 5/1/04 Daniel, what is your line of work? Your 9-5. Your chosen ca

RE: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken???

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
    I assume you are speaking for yourself here? Izzy   -Original Message- I have a feeling if Daniel could control his anger that his posts would become welcomed on TT.   Perry the Moderator    

RE: [TruthTalk] No limits on TT

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, Well I sure appreciate that you came to my rescue in a way, unlike our Moderator who seems to have no limits to the way the women here are being abused and the vile language allowed on this site.  (Perhaps he prefers that the ladies to leave? How long should we tolerate this?) I'd rath

RE: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken???

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
s message. How could anyone EVER have confidence in the message of one who uses profanity and talks down to others. Have patience, Izzy. Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Truth

RE: [TruthTalk] This is Mrs. Chris Barr - I call him Tirshatha

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] This is Mrs. Chris Barr - I call him Tirshatha   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04/30/2004 6:05 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Terry et al

2004-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
How wonderful! J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry et al   In a message dated 5/2/2004 6:29:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Peter of Canada

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dave H, The St. Louis University Women's Club has a book club that I belong to. I did not participate the month they discussed this book (The Da Vinci Code) because I didn't even want to have it considered seriously. It's amazing how many people have bought this book because it is "good writing".

RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Good attitude, John.  I’ve not looked into Adventists because I’ve had friends in the past warn me against it, and I don’t think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But I’ve read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Peter of Canada

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, where is Bill? Has he gotten mad and left us, or what? I hope not! Izzy -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from th

[TruthTalk] Where's Bill?

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bill, I completely disagree about allowing you your “privacy”.  What the heck Izzy   I thought of running some ideas past him, but opted for allowing him his privacy. John

RE: [TruthTalk] Bible versions - ad hominem arguments

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I agree.  I am sure that Chris has NO idea what I (and probably some others on TT) know about him and his ministry (and his marriage for that matter) which I could have used against him many times over the past several months when he was insulting me and others on TT. (Especially whe

RE: [TruthTalk] Teaching

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh my goodness, David, I think you just jumped from the frying pan into the fire! :-) Spoken like a true man who has never "been there, done that". I am curious; can you back up your assertion with statistics? I, personally, have never considered myself to be particularly bright (even though my

RE: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken???

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I realize that, but sometimes there is no reference at all. I think it would be good to at least include a sentence to let others know what is being referred to. But it doesn’t happen often, so it's not a big issue. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Bible versions - ad hominem arguments

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Good post. I think we ALL relate to it more than we would like to admit. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Bible versions - ad hominem ar

RE: [TruthTalk] Teaching

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
  John, I remember having lunch in an office situation with a bunch of women who were gossiping terribly about another women (not present) who was so fat, so immoral, etc. etc.  I smiled and said, “Well, one thing I can say for her is that I’ve never heard her say anything unkind about any

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Peter of Canada

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks for your concern, Bill - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Peter of Canada > By the way, where is Bill? Has he gotten mad and left us

RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, I think The Men’s Room is the perfect spot for you—and I wouldn’t go in there with you for all the tea in China!  ROFL!!! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subjec

RE: [TruthTalk] 'NOT ENOUGH GOOD MEN" -LOVERS

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I bet Elsman’s own wife has never heard him say anything so endearing. J Izzy   JUDI,   YOU LITTLE  LOVEABLE DING-BAT.   THE LAWYER WHO LOVES TOO MUCH.

RE: [TruthTalk] No limits on TT

2004-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, It seems to me that when a man is repeatedly calling a woman a "whore" on this list it should be two strikes and you're out. I believe that men should be gentlemen even if they are Christians. I believe that real men are not threatened by being considered "feminized" by gentlemanly gallantr

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
As an outside observer of this conversation, I can only say that I see no “putdowns and potshots” in David Miller’s writing.  It seems that the more he bends over backwards to understand and make himself understood (not just with John) the more he is villianized.  This makes no sense, and

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Lance, Of course I don’t agree with you about your “attitude”! J  No, I don’t pay homage to all of David’s opinions (if you had been on TT longer you would know this, for sure.)  I can only saythat David often asks the questions or makes the points that I am wondering about myself, so I’

RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test

2004-05-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 15, 2004 12:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Passion Test     Lance, Of course I don’t agree with you about your “attitude”! J  No, I don’t pay homage to all of David’s opinions (if you

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