Re: Moving udd away from sqlite

2012-06-21 Thread Jonathan Lange
On 21 June 2012 12:23, John Arbash Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ... We haven't had any movement on this for a few days. To sum up, this is my understanding of the situation. 1. We need to switch our udd to postgres 2. We need to make

Re: Moving udd away from sqlite

2012-06-21 Thread Vincent Ladeuil
James Westby james.wes...@canonical.com writes: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:35:44 +0200, John Arbash Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: As I understand it, James still needs to do some work to get Storm to not require as strict of an isolation level. For me personally, I'd

Re: Moving udd away from sqlite

2012-06-21 Thread James Westby
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:22 +0200, Vincent Ladeuil vila+...@canonical.com wrote: Rollback is to revert the storm code again Restore the dbs. I don't think we should do that if we have no evidence of data corruption. We'd be repeating work for no benefit. Rollback is to stop the

LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/quantal/amd64 failed to build on 20120621

2012-06-21 Thread CD Image
[2012-06-21 18:17:03] lb_clean --purge P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:03] lb_clean noauto --purge P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:03] lb_clean noauto --all P: Cleaning chroot P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:09]

LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/quantal/i386 failed to build on 20120621

2012-06-21 Thread CD Image
[2012-06-21 18:17:04] lb_clean --purge P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:04] lb_clean noauto --purge P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:04] lb_clean noauto --all P: Cleaning chroot P: Executing auto/clean script. [2012-06-21 18:17:13]

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jono Bacon
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 09:13:17 PM Jono Bacon wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: For our current Ubuntu ISOs. Flavors currently are coordinating their own

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Tobin Davis
Thought I would chime in with my thoughts on freezes, snapshot testing, and QA in general. Freezes: When I was testing the Arm images, there were times when I would go for weeks without an image. And if I remember correctly, there was a period during Natty where there were no images between

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Kate Stewart
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 10:11 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: This cycle, the next step for Unity and all related components is that each release is potentially the last one that is uploaded to ubuntu until the finale release. So, each version is a possible release candidate for Quantal. I do not

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:14:05 PM Jono Bacon wrote: My goal in this cycle is to ensure we have a regular testing cadence for Ubuntu and not based on milestones; if the Kubuntu team want to have your own internal milestones for targeting work and testing, I see no reason why you can't do

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Rick Spencer
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2012 11:14 PM, Jono Bacon wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 09:13:17 PM Jono

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jono Bacon
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we had more resources we would love to provide help for the flavors, and we are certainly happy to offer any guidance and advice, with with our current resources and staffing, Nick doesn't have the bandwidth

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Rick Spencer
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com The Kubuntu team are welcome to determine whatever milestones they want - no one is suggesting anything needs to change for the flavors in their testing cadence. I am purely stating how Nick will be working: the only output of this

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jono Bacon
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com The Kubuntu team are welcome to determine whatever milestones they want - no one is suggesting anything needs to change for the flavors in their testing

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 06:52:58 PM Rick Spencer wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com The Kubuntu team are welcome to determine whatever milestones they want - no one is suggesting anything needs to change for the flavors in their testing cadence. I am

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/2012 09:43 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we had more resources we would love to provide help for the flavors, and we are certainly happy to offer any

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:14:05 PM Jono Bacon wrote: Well to be clear, Nick is one member of the Ubuntu community who is focused on testing. Other people are welcome to coordinate testing campaigns and get others interested and excited about testing, but Nick's focus is explicitly on the

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09:54 AM Michael Casadevall wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/2012 09:43 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we had more resources we would love to provide

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jono Bacon
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: I don't think it is unreasonable for Canonical to focus its resources on Ubuntu as opposed to the flavors. I'm crystal clear that the Canonical community team's QA effort is focused on trying to get the broader

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Robbie Williamson
So we've clearly heard the opinion of Kubuntu...are there any other derivatives who wish to contribute to this discussion. I for one, would be interested in knowing/hearing how these suggested changes impact them. -Robbie -- Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com robbiew[irc.freenode.net] Don't

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 01:34:18 PM Robbie Williamson wrote: So we've clearly heard the opinion of Kubuntu...are there any other derivatives who wish to contribute to this discussion. I for one, would be interested in knowing/hearing how these suggested changes impact them. FWIW, while I

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It has come to my attention that my emails in this thread have sounded somewhat accusatory towards both members of Canonical and Ubuntu. This was not my intent, and I apologize the way I may have came across, and hope that any party who was offended

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jono Bacon
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio a.star...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Michael Casadevall mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote: It has come to my attention that my emails in this thread have sounded somewhat accusatory towards both members of Canonical

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 03:27:01 PM Nicholas Skaggs wrote: If I may speak for myself here, my goal is to encourage ubuntu as a project to be a leader in open source in the realm of quality. It's what I care about and I hope to be a part of making happen. My work at Canonical aligns with

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Robbie Williamson
On 06/21/2012 02:14 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:12:06 PM Michael Casadevall wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It has come to my attention that my emails in this thread have sounded somewhat accusatory towards both members of Canonical and

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Stéphane Graber
On 06/21/2012 03:34 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote: On 06/21/2012 02:00 PM, Stéphane Graber wrote: On 06/21/2012 02:34 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote: So we've clearly heard the opinion of Kubuntu...are there any other derivatives who wish to contribute to this discussion. I for one, would be

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Robbie Williamson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/2012 02:45 PM, Stéphane Graber wrote: Starting with just a bit of nitpicking but it's something we agreed at UDS that we'd try to get fixed in everyone's mind :) We're flavours not derivatives, flavours are fully integrated in the Ubuntu

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Stéphane On 21/06/2012 15:45, Stéphane Graber wrote: You'll notice that the flavours are listed separately under a flavours heading on that page, and what's listed afterwards are proper derivatives as in, out of the archive, custom spin based on Ubuntu. It did say that flavours are

Re: Releasing Alphas and Betas without freezing

2012-06-21 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
On 06/21/2012 02:46 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:25:09 AM Jono Bacon wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: I don't think it is unreasonable for Canonical to focus its resources on Ubuntu as opposed to the flavors. I'm

File systems

2012-06-21 Thread John Moser
I've become disdained with Linux's pet filesystems as of late. This is for a few very simple reasons: - ext4 is attempting to be XFS - btrfs is trying to be ZFS Let's shoot down btrfs first, because it'll be easier. btrfs is an enterprise-scale management system similar to LLVM +