Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-03-01 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:59:19PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:11:27PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > I think we need to train our britney to block on Debian or Ubuntu RC > > bugs. Maybe this will also allow the Kubuntu developers to package the > > KDE beta updates wi

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Micah Gersten
On 02/28/2013 11:03 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Micah Gersten [2013-02-28 13:33 -0600]: >> Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the >> built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. > Not on RC bugs, but we can still block them manually. Pinging any > release team memb

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Martin Pitt
Micah Gersten [2013-02-28 13:33 -0600]: > Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the > built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. Not on RC bugs, but we can still block them manually. Pinging any release team member about that works right now. What appears to be

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 01:38:28 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 04:16:57PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> I do think that while 75% of the archive is imported unmodified from > >> Debian, the vast majority of these packages are in the long tail that > >> both a) don't

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 04:16:57PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> I do think that while 75% of the archive is imported unmodified from >> Debian, the vast majority of these packages are in the long tail that >> both a) don't individually have many users in Ubuntu, and b) don't have >> anyone payi

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:59:19 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:11:27PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > On 28 February 2013 14:33, Micah Gersten wrote: > > > Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the > > > built packages or block based on

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 03:11:27 PM Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 28 February 2013 14:33, Micah Gersten wrote: > > Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the > > built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. I see us getting to the > > point at some time in the f

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:11:27PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 28 February 2013 14:33, Micah Gersten wrote: > > Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the > > built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. I see us getting to the > > point at some time in the fu

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 06:17:17 PM Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 28 February 2013 17:05, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 07:31:49 AM Rick Spencer wrote: > >> Daily Quality means that developers can ensure their components are > >> stable > >> and useful before they

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Iain Lane
Hey, On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 02:15:28PM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: > On 02/28/2013 02:11 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > […] > > Maybe this will also allow the Kubuntu developers to package the > > KDE beta updates without needing to worry about those getting picked > > up in the next (monthly?) updat

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Micah Gersten
On 02/28/2013 02:11 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 28 February 2013 14:33, Micah Gersten wrote: >> Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the >> built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. I see us getting to the >> point at some time in the future of being more st

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 28 February 2013 14:33, Micah Gersten wrote: > Yes, but our britney doesn't delay migration to allow for testing of the > built packages or block based on RC bugs filed. I see us getting to the > point at some time in the future of being more stable than testing in a > rolling release, but I d

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Scott, On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 02:23:14PM -0500, Scott Howard wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs > wrote: > > But just like debian we know have britney, together with many > > automatic adt tests which we run on all reverse dependencies in > > jenkins. Uploading beta ve

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Micah Gersten
On 02/28/2013 12:17 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 28 February 2013 17:05, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 07:31:49 AM Rick Spencer wrote: >>> Daily Quality means that developers can ensure their components are stable >>> and useful before they upload, and our processes

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > But just like debian we know have britney, together with many > automatic adt tests which we run on all reverse dependencies in > jenkins. Uploading beta version of software into sid has never been > welcomed and by default it gets release

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 06:17:17PM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: [emphasis mine] > But just like debian we know have britney, together with many > automatic adt tests which we run on all reverse dependencies in > jenkins. Uploading beta version of software into sid has never been > welcomed and by

Re: Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 28 February 2013 17:05, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 07:31:49 AM Rick Spencer wrote: >> Daily Quality means that developers can ensure their components are stable >> and useful before they upload, and our processes protect us from most >> mistakes these days. The resu

Debian Sync - Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release)

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 07:31:49 AM Rick Spencer wrote: > Daily Quality means that developers can ensure their components are stable > and useful before they upload, and our processes protect us from most > mistakes these days. The result is that 13.04 has been as robust a release > over the