Re: Here lies the responsiblity

2009-12-01 Thread Shentino
I've just switched to gentoo and intend to stick with it. Getting burned by karmic had only a little bit to do with it. Not a slight against ubuntu, but dealing with gentoo has been a real eye opener to what the ubuntu devs probably go through, and I haven't even started tweaking or bugfixing yet

Re: Here lies the responsiblity

2009-12-01 Thread Joseph Miller
> Canonical now has the responsibility, yes let me say that again, > "Canonical has a responsibility", to the entire Linux world, to be very > careful with what they put out. Now I have no problem with releasing > Karmic but please, for all the rest of us, including other distributions > and compa

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Caleb Marcus
In fact, the Ubuntu installer used to use an embedded GParted editing box. I much preferred that to the current setup. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Shentino wrote: > One of my pet peeves with the installer is how long it takes to detect the > partitioning...and redetect it every...single...op

Re: msql broken

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Murray
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 03:57:08PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > Brian Murray wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote: > >> Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step > >> to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server

Re: msql broken

2009-12-01 Thread Derek Broughton
Brian Murray wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote: >> Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step >> to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server. I can't get >> rid of it, or anything. Its so annoying. I have tried all

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Caleb Marcus
I'm not sure if I like this proposal -- I believe splitting things up into small steps makes it easier on the user. For one thing, the first questions we ask are the language and the keyboard layout, which are essential to the user's understanding of the rest of the installer. Many users won't set

Re: Here lies the responsiblity

2009-12-01 Thread Randall Ross
At the risk of inciting a "riot of epic proportions", I would like to propose an alternate hypothesis: Ubuntu <> Linux. I think it might be worthwhile to consider and to market Ubuntu for what it is, a community-developed collection of free software (kernel, toolchain, GNU utilities, applications

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Shentino
One of my pet peeves with the installer is how long it takes to detect the partitioning...and redetect it every...single...operation...so...slowly. My suggestion is that GParted be used to handle this. In fact I often use that to do the partitioning BEFORE I do the installer because I don't want

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Hollocher wrote: > password.  Any sort of password automation would simplify the > situation for a few people at the expense of making it more > complicated for the rest of us.  The level of encryption doesn't seem > to matter. OK. The issue where we want t

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Evan
I agree with Daniel that combining all the screens goes to far, but I sort of like the concept behind Ryan's single-screen dialogue. How about something like this: Screen 1: Welcome Brief welcome message. Language - From what they chose at boot, dropdown list. Keyboard - Autodetected as it already

Re: msql broken

2009-12-01 Thread Brian Murray
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote: > Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step > to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server. I can't get > rid of it, or anything. Its so annoying. I have tried all the apt-get -f > and every

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Daniel Hollocher
I think the issue is that you need to have the user enter the password anyway, for the users sake. The user needs to know and remember the password, which is why the installer asks twice already. The original idea was to use the windows password so the user doesn't need to be asked during install

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:27 AM, James Westby wrote: >  * It's a feature of dubious value to begin with. After it had taken some >    time doing its thing you would need to have the user type in the password >    anyway to confirm (you can't assume, and you can't really show it to them). Quite. "C

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Ryan Dwyer
I'm picturing a single dialog with an overview of the current values and options to change them. The fields I've marked as buttons would have the current value as the button text so the user only has to click the value to change it. Language: [English (US)] (this would be a droplist) Location: [Ne

Re: Simple question on directfb

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:43:49 +0530 Bhavani Shankar R wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi list > >I was looking at the merge of directfb [1] and I have a simple doubt > >Debian has made their package compatible with dh 7 [2] in which case >is the dh_installchangelogs optio

fixing support for user collaboration / running apps as separate user

2009-12-01 Thread C. Gatzemeier
Hello list, looking for an answer why sharing files between users on the same system is so hard, I have stumbled accross wiki enties and blog posts about how (im)possible it is to collaborate for users on ubuntu systems. The possibility of sharing access to files amoung users is a fundamental fea

Re: Simple question on directfb

2009-12-01 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Andrea Gasparini wrote: > Hi, > >> To see what commands are included in a sequence, without actually doing >>anything: >> >>dh binary-arch --no-act >> >> Your reply in this context is bit confu

Re: Simple question on directfb

2009-12-01 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Andrea Gasparini wrote: > Hi, > >> Debian has made their package compatible with dh 7 [2] in which case >> is the dh_installchangelogs option necessary? or will dh 7 pick it up >> through dh_auto_install/dh_install ? >

Simple question on directfb

2009-12-01 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list I was looking at the merge of directfb [1] and I have a simple doubt Debian has made their package compatible with dh 7 [2] in which case is the dh_installchangelogs option necessary? or will dh 7 pick it up through dh_auto_install/dh_install

snmp bugfixing for LTS

2009-12-01 Thread Joerg Stephan
Hi there, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-snmp/+bug/426813 this bug is set to fixed in karmic, maybe it is. But the LTS Hardy just uses the old buggy package, could there be a patch for this system too? regards Jörg -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lis

Here lies the responsiblity

2009-12-01 Thread George Farris
Well we've certainly seen a few problems with Karmic. I have reports from new or upgrading users of crashing applications etc. So here is what I see as the major problem. Ubuntu has had such good success that to many people, Ubuntu and Linux are one and the same thing. Ubuntu = Linux and Linux

ASSERT hit in malloc.c (eglibc)

2009-12-01 Thread Chris
Hi, Since updating to Ubuntu v9.10 and thus moving to eglibc, libtorrent-rasterbar users are experiencing regularly an ASSERT hit in malloc.c: qbittorrent: malloc.c:3929: __libc_valloc: Assertion `!p || mchunkptr)((char*)(p) - 2*(sizeof(size_t)->size & 0x2) || ar_ptr == (mchunkptr)((ch

msql broken

2009-12-01 Thread Adam Strawcutter
Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server. I can't get rid of it, or anything. Its so annoying. I have tried all the apt-get -f and everything nothing works. Please help. here is the code that I am getting when

gthumb vs fspot

2009-12-01 Thread Dave Morley
After watching the uds video on applications, Here are my general findings as a novice user of both tools for photo editing. Gthumb runs faster than fspot by about 10 second on one folder holding about 69 photos. >From what I can see both apps grab the same info from the camera however I prefer

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

2009-12-01 Thread Mohammed Bassit
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 21:54 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: > James Westby wrote: > > > On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote: > >> List some not-silly reasons. > > > > You're serious? Ok. > > > > * Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary > > and > >