Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/14 Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:51 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: >> As an author of Prefetch, I cannot agree that it would not fix seeks ;) >> Part of my implementation, not enabled by default as it is highly >> experimental, is ext3 defragmenter which

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:35 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: >> Thanks. There are some rough edges in patches themselves which should >> be straightened out. And the feedback on using prefetch was pretty >> much non-existing. > > What is the recommen

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > hi, > On Fr, 2008-09-12 at 09:23 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: >> You have 25-35 seconds from GRUB till desktop appearing (using autologin)? > > i have managed 22 already with a not to drastic set of modifications (19 > after grub [1] plus the three

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Mackenzie e a todos. On Saturday 13 September 2008 15:59:16 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando > > On Friday 12 September 2008 14:29:15 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > >> I'm just reading my bootcharts, and those stop at GDM. > > > > $ sudo gedit /etc/in

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olá Mackenzie e a todos. > > On Friday 12 September 2008 14:29:15 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> I'm just reading my bootcharts, and those stop at GDM. > > $ sudo gedit /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart > Look for this case, a

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Mackenzie e a todos. On Friday 12 September 2008 14:29:15 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > I'm just reading my bootcharts, and those stop at GDM. $ sudo gedit /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart Look for this case, and add a sleep before the stop command. > case "$1" in > start) > sleep 60#

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Oliver e a todos. On Friday 12 September 2008 10:33:17 Oliver Grawert wrote: > for jaunty i would like to propose to install bootchart by default > during the development cycle with an optional upload function to a > central database (with a first login question "do you want to > participate i

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 03:09:15PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > That's the power of low expectations. Before the 1970s, people were used > to radios taking half a minute to start up. Before the 1990s, people > were used to televisions taking half a minute to start up. > > As long as compute

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 08:05 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > takes to boot. From GRUB boot to login screen, it was 36.72 secs. And > that is on a Celeron D with 512MB DDR RAM and booting from an old IDE > hard drive. I'd imagine that a more recent dual core setup with more ram > and a more recent sata h

Re: Boot-time improvements

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Jones wrote on 11/09/08 23:05: > > I'm not quite sure what all the ranting is all about regarding Ubuntu > boot times. I never really even thought of it until it was mentioned on > the mailing list here. So, as a test, I timed my own system how

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:35 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Thanks. There are some rough edges in patches themselves which should > be straightened out. And the feedback on using prefetch was pretty > much non-existing. What is the recommended way of enabling prefetch to test? And can it be tes

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 11:47 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > On Do, 2008-09-11 at 22:44 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > Here's my 1:28 bootchart: http://mg.pov.lt/hardy-20080822-1.png > > > > There are at most 4 seconds of idle waiting. > > > > Hey, I see zope2.9 taking quite a bit of the t

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:23 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > 2008/9/11 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > And 30s is considered bringing it down? Wow, how long was it before? > > Is there a goal we have for boot time? 30s seems about average for boot > > time right now. At least, all of

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You have 25-35 seconds from GRUB till desktop appearing (using autologin)? > > i have managed 22 already with a not to drastic set of modifications (19 > after grub [1] plus the three second grub timeout) with the ten seconds > my BIOS takes that eve

Re: Boot-time improvements

hi, On Do, 2008-09-11 at 22:44 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > Here's my 1:28 bootchart: http://mg.pov.lt/hardy-20080822-1.png > > There are at most 4 seconds of idle waiting. > > Hey, I see zope2.9 taking quite a bit of the time (20 seconds). I no > longer need that. sudo apt-get remove to the

Re: Boot-time improvements

hi, On Fr, 2008-09-12 at 09:23 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > You have 25-35 seconds from GRUB till desktop appearing (using autologin)? i have managed 22 already with a not to drastic set of modifications (19 after grub [1] plus the three second grub timeout) with the ten seconds my BIOS takes

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/9/11 Krzysztof Lichota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> As an author of Prefetch, I cannot agree that it would not fix seeks ;) >> Part of my implementation, not enabled by default as it is highly >> experimental, is ext3 defragmenter which puts all files f

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > the mailing list here. So, as a test, I timed my own system how long it > takes to boot. From GRUB boot to login screen, it was 36.72 secs. And > that is on a Celeron D with 512MB DDR RAM and booting from an old IDE > hard drive. I'd imagine that a more

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/12 Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm not quite sure what all the ranting is all about regarding Ubuntu > boot times. I never really even thought of it until it was mentioned on > the mailing list here. So, as a test, I timed my own system how long it > takes to boot. From GRUB boot to l

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/11 Krzysztof Lichota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As an author of Prefetch, I cannot agree that it would not fix seeks ;) > Part of my implementation, not enabled by default as it is highly > experimental, is ext3 defragmenter which puts all files for prefetch > in one place on disk, so the reques

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/11 Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:57 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: >> That's what have been done by Microsoft for XP - they had the goal to >> bring boot time to 30s and managed to do it. Apparently they forgot to >> do the same for Vista ;) > > But as men

Re: Boot-time improvements

I'm not quite sure what all the ranting is all about regarding Ubuntu boot times. I never really even thought of it until it was mentioned on the mailing list here. So, as a test, I timed my own system how long it takes to boot. From GRUB boot to login screen, it was 36.72 secs. And that is on a Ce

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 03:32:00PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > > Hrm, my 2-year old laptop takes bout 45 seconds to boot if I have MySQL, > > Apache2, and MythTV's server set to start at boot. Actually, the 4-year > > old laptop might take about that long regularly...haven't booted that in > > a

Re: Boot-time improvements

> > Hrm, my 2-year old laptop takes bout 45 seconds to boot if I have MySQL, > Apache2, and MythTV's server set to start at boot. Actually, the 4-year > old laptop might take about that long regularly...haven't booted that in > a while. I wonder what causes such variation? Certainly the processe

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 22:16 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:43:42PM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:57 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > > > That's what have been done by Microsoft for XP - they had the goal to > > > bring boot time to 30s and

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:43:42PM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:57 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > > That's what have been done by Microsoft for XP - they had the goal to > > bring boot time to 30s and managed to do it. Apparently they forgot to > > do the same for Vi

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:25 +0100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? (``-=5F-=B4=B4)_--_Fernando _ wrote: > Olá Thomas e a todos. > > On Thursday 11 September 2008 09:19:56 Thomas Novin wrote: > > Resuming from suspend is also very slow in Ubuntu. > > My system used to take 2-3 sec to resume from suspend. > Resume

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:57 +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > That's what have been done by Microsoft for XP - they had the goal to > bring boot time to 30s and managed to do it. Apparently they forgot to > do the same for Vista ;) But as mentioned before, they did it by shoving off a bunch of the

Re: Boot-time improvements

hi, On Do, 2008-09-11 at 18:08 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: > If we are going to transition to full Upstart scripts instead of > sysvinit then we should collaborate with Fedora because they're using > Upstart too. This would make it easier to create and test all the scripts. > this already h

Re: Boot-time improvements

Mackenzie Morgan pisze: > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 13:40 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> it would be cool to see some community activity here (i.e. a team >> forming around redoing the scripts in upstart events, doing tests and >> measurements and publishing bootcharts ...) if the distro team alone >>

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:04 +0200, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > On 11/09/2008, at 03.24, Milos Mandaric wrote: > > >> Is booting really relevant these days? Not for me. At work, the > >> servers and desktops run weeks and months without a reboot. My > >> personal laptop, an old Apple Powerbook, boo

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/10 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > it would be cool to see some community activity here (i.e. a team > forming around redoing the scripts in upstart events, doing tests and > measurements and publishing bootcharts ...) if the distro team alone > does it it will take a lot longer and ha

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/11 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/9/10 Przemysław Kulczycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Maybe we could achieve it using Prefetch? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Prefetch >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticBootAndApplicationPrefetchingSpec > > Prefetch would be nice, and

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Thomas e a todos. On Thursday 11 September 2008 09:19:56 Thomas Novin wrote: > Resuming from suspend is also very slow in Ubuntu. My system used to take 2-3 sec to resume from suspend. Resume from Hibernation takes quite a bit more (something like 50 secs). -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´)

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 01:19 +0200, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > On 09/09/2008, at 20.31, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > Is booting really relevant these days? Not for me. At work, the > servers and desktops run weeks and months without a reboot. My > personal laptop, an old Apple Powe

Re: Boot-time improvements

On 11/09/2008, at 03.24, Milos Mandaric wrote: >> Is booting really relevant these days? Not for me. At work, the >> servers and desktops run weeks and months without a reboot. My >> personal laptop, an old Apple Powerbook, boots perhaps once a month. >> It just sleeps when I close it and wake u

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Morten e a todos. On Thursday 11 September 2008 00:19:34 Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > Is booting really relevant these days? Not for me. At work, the > servers and desktops run weeks and months without a reboot. My > personal laptop, an old Apple Powerbook, boots perhaps once a month. >

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/10 Przemysław Kulczycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Maybe we could achieve it using Prefetch? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Prefetch > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticBootAndApplicationPrefetchingSpec Prefetch would be nice, and definitely would improve the user experience. In the

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 01:19 +0200, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > On 09/09/2008, at 20.31, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if > > the > > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > > to boot fa

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 01:19 +0200, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > On 09/09/2008, at 20.31, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if > > the > > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > > to boot fa

Re: Boot-time improvements

On 09/09/2008, at 20.31, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if > the > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. Is booting really relevant these

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 13:40 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > it would be cool to see some community activity here (i.e. a team > forming around redoing the scripts in upstart events, doing tests and > measurements and publishing bootcharts ...) if the distro team alone > does it it will take a lot lo

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:01:49AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote on 09/09/08 19:31: > >... > > 1. Attempt to get an X server up much sooner > >... > > See also

Re: Boot-time improvements

Timo Jyrinki pisze: > No, really, I think there is room for at least 5x improvement in disk > seeks. The disk usage is currently terrible, and it is what is is > because of the wish not to do "too much" optimization work so that > there is no risk of breaking any complex setup of programs. The > op

Re: Boot-time improvements

hi, On Di, 2008-09-09 at 20:31 +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hi > > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. there are a lot

Re: Boot-time improvements

Olá Jonathan e a todos. On Tuesday 09 September 2008 19:31:33 Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > It seems that with the current process, it's close to as fast as it can > be at the moment. Readahead avoids unnecessary disk seeks. Upstart gets > the services started in an optimal (well, let's

Re: Boot-time improvements

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote on 09/09/08 19:31: >... > 1. Attempt to get an X server up much sooner >... See also . Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: Boot-time improvements

2008/9/9 Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2. Remove the flashes and brown screens when starting Gnome > > Personally, my biggest annoyance as a user is the brown screen that > flashes between GDM and when Gnome starts. It would be much nicer if gdm > displayed the greeter for ha

Re: Boot-time improvements

ke, 2008-09-10 kello 09:22 +0200, Markus Hitter kirjoitti: > This is what Windows XP does already, isn't it? You boot, get > automatic login, see the desktop, but essentially have to wait longer > to do something useful. Or, indeed, to do anything. I've experienced this with my girlfriend's la

Re: Boot-time improvements

Am 09.09.2008 um 20:31 schrieb Jonathan Carter (highvoltage): > Perhaps making the boot-process longer, by loading any non-essential > software as late as possible (even long after the user has logged on), > but getting the user interface ready as early as possible, should > be the > target, in

Re: Boot-time improvements

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:31:33PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hi > > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. We're right

Re: Boot-time improvements

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) pisze: > Hi > > Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the > system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made > to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. > > Here are some ideas around improving boot speed a

Boot-time improvements

Hi Some systems have been really successful at making it *appear* as if the system starts up faster. In my opinion, where the system can't be made to boot faster, it should be made to appear so. Here are some ideas around improving boot speed and making it appear faster: 1. Have as few transit