Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?

2013-06-08 Thread Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑
I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also che

[libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?

2013-06-08 Thread Anthony Easthope
Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which i

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 08/06/2013 at 00:10, Ken Springer wrote: > I've not used Word regularly since 2003, so I can't say whether > the menu interface that appears when you hide the ribbon is as > functional as its predecessors. There is no "menu interface". You simply hide content of ribbons, leaving tabs at to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2013-06-08 10:10, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/7/13 3:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote: I too wouldn't touch Kingsoft with a barge pole. I want to steer towards using formats that will be around and usable in a few years time. I want to be able to open documents maybe 10-20 years from now without h

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2013-06-08 12:10, Virgil Arrington wrote: This has been fascinating reading all of the opinions about user interfaces and the dreaded ribbon. I've not found *anyone* who actually likes the ribbon. I agree with several of you who have observed that the ribbon makes using styles much harder.

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 8 June 2013 07:44, Virgil Arrington wrote: > As I think about software evolution, there was little consistency back in > the DOS days. For example, Wordstar had its Ctrl-key combinations that were > hard to learn but, once learned, made touch typists *very* proficient. > WordPerfect preferred

Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on Gnu&Linux;  gpaint (a bit like "Paint" in Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less simple and good for photos but still very basic.  Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for.  The arrows p

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 08/06/2013 at 18:59, "Jean-Francois Nifenecker" wrote: > An idea I've been having for 20+ years now is: how about an office > automation tool (wordprocessor, spreadsheet, whatever) that would come > with the bare minimal features (define: bare minimal) and could be > "enhanced" by adding featu

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Doug
On 06/08/2013 02:44 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2013/6/8 Jean-Francois Nifenecker : Le 08/06/2013 20:16, Doug a écrit : What the heck is a mail merge? I use Thunderbird, i wouldn't have any idea how to do any kind of mail in a word processor. And I don't know why I'd ever want to. Say you

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2013/6/8 Jean-Francois Nifenecker : > Le 08/06/2013 20:16, Doug a écrit : > >> >> What the heck is a mail merge? I use Thunderbird, i wouldn't have any idea >> how to do any kind of mail in a word processor. And I don't know why I'd >> ever want to. >> > > Say you want to send an invitation by mail

Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used version 5 since the XP days. But since I can not get v5 to install on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I h

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 08/06/2013 20:16, Doug a écrit : What the heck is a mail merge? I use Thunderbird, i wouldn't have any idea how to do any kind of mail in a word processor. And I don't know why I'd ever want to. Say you want to send an invitation by mail to your 10.000 friends. You simply write the letter

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Felmon Davis
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Doug wrote: On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. /snip/ How many people know how to mail-merge? Not

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Lozier
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:16:31 -0400, Doug wrote: On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. /snip/ How many people know how to

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Doug
On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. /snip/ How many people know how to mail-merge? Not as many as know how to use bold!!

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2013-06-08 Thread Felmon Davis
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with Gnu&Linux? Look at Kyocera

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Isn't it called Abiword? Regards from Tom :)  > > From: Jay Lozier >To: users.global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013, 18:14 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO >alternative is not LO > > >On Sat, 08 Jun

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Lozier
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:59:13 -0400, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Hi, jumping in the bandwaggon.. Le 08/06/2013 18:33, Jay Lozier a écrit : I think there is a basic agreement that at least 25% of the features in MSO could be eliminated and no one would notice. I would not be surprised i

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Marc Grober
On 6/8/13 8:59 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: > > An idea I've been having for 20+ years now is: how about an office > automation tool (wordprocessor, spreadsheet, whatever) that would come > with the bare minimal features (define: bare minimal) and could be > "enhanced" by adding features thr

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2013/6/8 Jean-Francois Nifenecker : > Hi, > > jumping in the bandwaggon.. > > Le 08/06/2013 18:33, Jay Lozier a écrit : > >> >> I think there is a basic agreement that at least 25% of the features in >> MSO could be eliminated and no one would notice. I would not be >> surprised if LO and AOO could

Fwd: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Ok, sorry. Did it again. Replied privately, that is. Here's to the list: -- Forwarded message -- From: Johnny Rosenberg Date: 2013/6/8 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO To: Jay Lozier 2013/6/8 Jay Lozier : > On Sat, 08 Ju

Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook published

2013-06-08 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 05/06/2013 07:28, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Ordered by Lulu :) and received today! Nice job Lulu! And my thanks again to the doc team :) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.o

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi, jumping in the bandwaggon.. Le 08/06/2013 18:33, Jay Lozier a écrit : I think there is a basic agreement that at least 25% of the features in MSO could be eliminated and no one would notice. I would not be surprised if LO and AOO could eliminate about 20% of the features without anyone not

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2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
I use Ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop, with MATE desktop environment. The key, for the printer drivers/PPDs, is finding the ones that have the most options. When my Epson printer still worked properly, I had 3 printer-driver version of that printer setup. Each had a different combination of print

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2013-06-08 Thread Mieszko Kaczmarczyk
big remark:if you use printer with PostScript but print complex object you will need a lot of memory in printer.I have got Xerox Phaser 7750 with 384MB ram and on the A3 paper from time to time we receive errors on the printouts.This is system independent (Linux,

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Lozier
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:04:20 -0400, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. Then split the re

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2013-06-08 Thread Mieszko Kaczmarczyk
W dniu 07.06.2013 16:35, Kracked_P_P---webmaster pisze: I wonder if you can install the drivers without having the printers installed so you can test the drivers for their options within LO. The same "hpcups" driver

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. Then split the remaining 20% up between different sorts of users. Most people only use t

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2013-06-08 Thread Mieszko Kaczmarczyk
W dniu 07.06.2013 15:03, Tom Davies pisze:Mieszko's might even help me fix our current Oki and Ricoh printers which would be a double-plus in my favour.I haven't got experience with OkiLinux - maybe I am wrong but if printer uses PostScript should works.Long time ago I had Ricoh - di

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Lozier
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. Then split the remaining 20% up between different sorts of users. Most people only use the Save button, Bold, Centre, Underline,

Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Gimp and Photoshop are about as complex as each other.  The interfaces are roughly similar to the point where if you have used one you could probably work out what was going on in the other.  They do have slightly different approaches which means people familiar with one often claim the ot

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. Then split the remaining 20% up between different sorts of users.  Most people only use the Save button, Bold, Centre, Underline, copy&paste errr that's about it.  Oh, receive email and repl

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Normal font look bold with 100% scale

2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 06/07/2013 11:06 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/7/13 4:46 AM, DJViking wrote: Using font UWH Bookman L some letters look bold while in fact they are normal. Look at this screenshot of Libreoffice with some test text. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-lDdSLkpJa5dFdhUWNVUEpya0k/edit?usp=sharing

[libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used version 5 since the XP days. But since I can not get v5 to install on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and relearn the

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2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 06/08/2013 08:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with Gnu&Linux? Look at Kyoce

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2013-06-08 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with Gnu&Linux? Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series... fifteen years ago, Kyocera was

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Virgil Arrington
Jay provided a great response to this thread, but it appears as if he fell into the trap of hitting "reply" instead of "reply all," so only I got the benefit of his response. I'm copying it below. Jay wrote: My understanding of the original XEROX research is that is for desktop GUI there is a

Re: Fwd: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Calc - Find in a column

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Wow!  That worked.  It was even selected by default, as one would expect, so that it's only the seelceted area that would get searched by default.  Thanks and regards from Tom :)  > > From: Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 >To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" >Cc: T

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
I never tried Kingsoft Office myself, but I read a little about it recently when I finally abandoned my old Nokia 3510 phone for an Android phone. I found though, that Kingsoft Office doesn't support ODF, and almost 100% of what I have is ODF so Kingsoft Office is obviously not for me, and I never

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) To some extent, yes.  IF it does work better.  That is the crucial bit.  What other people are talking about is change that ends up breaking things without improving anything.  The ancient phrase is "If it aint broke, don't fix it".  There are plenty of innovations possible without reha

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) ODF is implemented the way it's documented as an ISO standard.  A lot of programs use the same implementation.  According to devs it's fairly easy to write something that can read it. Where programs have variations on their implementation those tend to be written up as bug-reports (and g

Fwd: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Calc - Find in a column

2013-06-08 Thread Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑
I'm forwarding this off-list reply so that others can get help. Kevin Suo Original Message Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Calc - Find in a column Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:02:09 +0800 From: Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 To: Tom Davies Hi Tom, I see fro

[libreoffice-users] Impress 4.0.3.3 doesn't show anything in Handout view

2013-06-08 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić
Hello, I have a problem with Impress 4.0.3.3 on Debina Squeeze. Had the same problem on LO 3.6 too. Handout view doesn't show anything in Impress, I see six blank boxes witch represents slides. Handout can be printed to file, and that printed file shows my presentation normaly. It's hard to p