Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even
if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password.
It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the more benign
side of things.
e.g. A fool uses some
Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, bruce sent:
Took a drive from an older FC13 system, put it in a usb drive bay to
read from a centos 6.5 system
centos sees the drive, but only reports the drive as 350 M free, of a
640G drive..
centos doesn't show all the folders/files on the
Have you seen this one. Only for RHEL5 so a bit out of date but much
of it will still apply.
http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/os/redhat/NSA_RHEL_5_GUIDE_v4.2.pdf
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:05 AM, bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys. - subject says it all!!
For a basic centos/fedora install.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this
webservice is not hotmail.
Not quite what you're saying but tangentially related:
On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au
mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM,
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote:
On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your
hotmail username and password,
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
to edit files
Hello,
On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora
users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that
aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Please check out the blog post
for more information:
On 12/20/2013 06:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com
mailto:horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as
On 20 December 2013 02:26, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 06:15 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to release
notes of gnome 3.10 and
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:05:32 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to release
notes of gnome 3.10 and
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html
3.1.4 discusses
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum
would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains
a few
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert
On 12/20/2013 08:02 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum
would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're
I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled Done.
I've been installing several different distros in virtual
machines recently, for an example of a
Michael Young said:
You need to do both at the same time. Here yum shell is useful as it
lets you gather a series of yum commands and run them in one batch.
Try something like
yum shell
remove perl-5.16.3-245.fc18.x86_64 install perl-autodie run
and if that works
exit
you may need to
a long, long time ago, i reported an apparent glitch with NFS on
fedora:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/097465.html
in that, at the time, it *appeared* that you couldn't set up
NFS so that *only* version 4 was running. before i start messing
with this again,
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
has checkboxes for the most common things you'd want
to change (separate /home or not, etc). As you click
On 12/19/2013 11:01 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 06:15 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I have been reading up release notes on f20 which leads me to
release
notes of gnome 3.10 and
I just recently installed F19 on a new Dell Inspiron R15 7537 and since
then I've been getting kernel oopses from the wireless device. What's
interesting :-( is that right before the oops if I do
cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
it returns 0. Right after the oops it returns 512.
I have no extra
On 12/20/2013 09:19 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled Done.
I've been installing several different distros in
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
only tested gedit
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:37:28 -0200 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of relying on faith, it shows you exactly what
it would do in a summary at the top of the screen and
has checkboxes for the most
Hi.
The drive in question has multiple partitions, but I was only trying
to access the drive as a raw/data drive if that was/is possible.
the sys monitor app lists the file systems for the drive as being:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_root /
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45-lv_apps /apps
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user.
This is generally
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
(RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has done here) or on
the devel mailing list (ML) because we are also very often told here
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
On 12/20/2013 09:19 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled Done.
I installed a larger [650 gig] disk to get away
On 12/20/2013 10:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com mailto:maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com
wrote:
Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
(RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:09:15 + Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
Perhaps, the original poster can consider requesting an enhancement
(RFE) on BZ explaining his views cogently (as he has
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
r...@htt-consult.comwrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
startx so
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
came out, but once I solved it I couldn't remember all the fine detail of
what was wrong with the interface, except that it was
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:11 + Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra
maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote:
I had a lot of trouble with partitioning when installing F19 back when it
came out, but once I solved it I couldn't
hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find skype
skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com
mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 09:53 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/20/13 09:26, Greg Woods wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 08:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Yes. Been installing and testing F20 on a VM for a while now.
But make sure you're running VirtualBox 4.3.6
Thanks for the tip, I was on
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 18:35 +1030, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even
if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password.
It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the
Hi,
The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
The partition data from the system monitor app gives the following:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup
/dev/sda1/boot
Robert Moskowitz:
yum provides gnome-tweak-tool
and
No matches found
Steven Stern:
Yum install gnome-tweak-tool
You search should have been
[sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ yum provides */gnome-tweak-tool
00:00
gnome-tweak-tool-3.10.1-2.fc20.noarch : A tool to customize advanced GNOME 3
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On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:
Hi,
The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
The partition data from the system monitor app gives the
following:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:
Hi,
The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
The partition data from the system monitor app gives the following:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root/
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_apps/apps
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_backup/backup
Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Greg Woods sent:
The eventual point of this is that there is really no such thing as a
hard-to-guess and easy-to-remember password. It's one thing to have a
password like purplepolkadotsonmydog, but another to remember
whether that password was for
On 20.12.2013, Tom Horsley wrote:
I see the partitioning interface still hasn't improved in f20.
You still simply must go on faith that you might be allowed
to make the changes you want sometime after you press a
button labeled Done.
Yes, that's f*cking annoying...
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Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:
I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
if I point the virtual DVD drive at the ISO, it boots into the main
syslinux/Anaconda menu, but as soon as I
http://serverfault.com/questions/451781/mounting-an-old-lvm-hard-drive-in-fedora-17-gives-error-message
as a few people mentioned
the vgchange to activate the vol is required.
thanks
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote:
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Hi! I am trying to install an f20 (because fedup-ing from f17 is not
working because of plymonth!!! (another moronic idea!! : both plymoth
and basing the ditro upgrading process on plymoth!!!))
the problems are:
1. it request me to have a stage1 bootloader partition!! i dont have
uefi enabled and
but, it was advertised as 256GB, and on the packaging it says 240GB.
Then I put it on a SATA USB adapter and look at it with the Disks
utility. It reports 240GB.
Looks like 'they' stole 16GB for SSD magic.
So it will be a 80GB reduction in storage. I can live with this. For
now. I try to
On 12/20/2013 11:28 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:
I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
if I point the virtual DVD drive at the ISO, it boots into
On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find
skype skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel
The version of Skype I had been running, crashed every time on F20.
I
On 12/20/2013 11:48 AM, Temlakos wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find
skype skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel
The version of Skype I had been
Hi
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Temlakos wrote:
That version seems to connect, but it cannot work with my sound device.
Though everything else does work with sound.
This is a bug in Skype Refer to
http://arunraghavan.net/2013/08/pulseaudio-4-0-and-skype/ for a workaround
Rahul
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On 12/20/2013 12:50 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 12/20/2013 11:48 AM, Temlakos wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:44 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
hello list
The new F20 graphical interface is very good, however, I can't find
skype skype icon in the tray.
Do you have the same problem? Any solution?
regards
Adel
Am 20.12.2013 18:43, schrieb Steven Stern:
On 12/20/2013 11:28 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Am 20.12.2013 00:50, schrieb Greg Woods:
I am running VirtualBox under F19, and I wanted to try F20 in a VM, but
I can't get it to install. With both the Live ISO and the full DVD iso,
if I point the
On 12/20/2013 08:56 AM, Mark Haney issued this missive:
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On 12/20/2013 11:39 AM, bruce wrote:
Hi,
The drive from the 1st system is a 640G drive
The partition data from the system monitor app gives the
following:
/dev/mapper/vg_dell45_lv_root
On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down alt and left
mouse and moving the window where I want. This is very valuable on
reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all on the screen.
I cannot get this to work on f20.
I recall some mention somewhere in the
Hi.
Continuing a thread I've been posting on...
I've got a project where there will be a number of client boxes across
the net. The boxes will run a base fedora/centos, and be used as
compute nodes if you will.
The boxes will need to connect back to the master server(s) to
exchange information.
How do I get these available somewhere? I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?
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On 12/20/2013 09:43 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
It worked for me when I selected Red Hat (64 bit) as the OS type.
Don't ask why, but when I first saw that I read it as Red Bull (64
bit) and wondered how an energy drink got into the list.
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
It gets worse if you use multiple computers. It's a nightmare trying to
do something that's accessible on all, and secure. Whether that be
letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed with
browsers
Subject: f20 - Anyone else having problems installing x64
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:54:01 -0600
I have a Gateway NV53A laptop that has Centos 6.5 installed and
performing without a problem. I tried to install the x64 f20 on this
machine, but have not been able to get the discs to install.
I
I have a new Fedora-20 installation on a 650 GiB drive by itself. It
is installed in less than 60 GiB's which leaves the rest of the drive
unused, not what I wanted. I guess it preserved a /home partition for
me? I certainly didn't want it to take up the remainder of the drive.
I've been
Hello all,
I tried to install Fedora 20 on Lenovo N500 laptop (x86_64) from a DVD.
I verified the DVD media and also I had installed a desktop today with this
DVD.
When I try to install it on Lenovo N500 laptop (x86_64) it fails - it reboots.
I tried several times.
I also tried in text mode
Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Gregory P. Ennis sent:
The first DVD was created on a different laptop, and it failed on the
Gateway, but worked on the laptop it had been created on. The Gateway
machine still had Centos on it so I created another DVD using it, and
had no problems
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
How do I get these available somewhere? I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?
What desktop environment are you using? If it's Gnome 3, in the
gnome-tweak-tool you can select Shell Extensions, then
On 12/20/2013 02:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
How do I get these available somewhere? I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?
What desktop environment are you using? If it's Gnome 3, in the
On 12/20/2013 01:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down alt and
left mouse and moving the window where I want. This is very
valuable on reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all
on the screen.
I cannot get this to work on f20.
On 12/20/2013 11:26 AM, Tim issued this missive:
Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Gregory P. Ennis sent:
The first DVD was created on a different laptop, and it failed on the
Gateway, but worked on the laptop it had been created on. The Gateway
machine still had Centos on it so I
2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
It gets worse if you use multiple computers. It's a nightmare trying to
do something that's accessible on all, and secure. Whether that be
letting applications
On 12/20/2013 10:48 AM, Joe Zeff issued this missive:
On 12/20/2013 09:43 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
It worked for me when I selected Red Hat (64 bit) as the OS type.
Don't ask why, but when I first saw that I read it as Red Bull (64
bit) and wondered how an energy drink got into the list.
If I understand you correctly you will need to do something along these lines...
You need to know the names of your volume groups and logical volumes.
use pvscan, vgscan lvscan to display what you have. eg
root@MythTV:/etc# pvscan
PV /dev/sdc2 VG vg_tv lvm2 [1.82 TiB / 59.31 GiB free]
On 12/20/2013 01:27 PM, Dennis Kaptain issued this missive:
2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com
mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au
mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
It gets worse if you use
On 12/20/2013 04:32 PM, David Beveridge wrote:
If I understand you correctly you will need to do something along these lines...
You need to know the names of your volume groups and logical volumes.
use pvscan, vgscan lvscan to display what you have. eg
root@MythTV:/etc# pvscan
PV /dev/sdc2
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:05:49 -0500
Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord bitlord0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:21:23 -0800
Edward M edwar...@live.com wrote:
logged in as root using su -;
CORRECTION: Sorry i typed it like this it my be confusing.
I meant to say I logged in as root by typing su -
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Martin S wrote:
I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?
I followed the instructions for upgrading with Fedup at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp#How_Can_I_Upgrade_My_System_with_FedUp.3F
Other methods are
On 12/20/2013 05:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/20/2013 02:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:46 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
How do I get these available somewhere? I would assume on that top bar
pulldown that has poweroff and screen lock?
What desktop environment
On 12/20/2013 05:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/20/2013 01:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On f17 I can move a window or dialog box by holding down alt and
left mouse and moving the window where I want. This is very
valuable on reduced screen devices where fixed dialogs don't fix all
on
On Friday, December 20, 2013 04:44:46 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Martin S wrote:
I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading
On 12/21/2013 12:47 AM, Martin S wrote:
On Friday, December 20, 2013 04:44:46 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Martin S wrote:
I've been looking for f19-20 upgrade instructions, but I must be blind.
Someone can point me to the correct page on the net?
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