Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about synthetic backups

2008-02-20 Thread Jared . Seaton
From what I understand about synthetics, you have to have one real full backup, so there has to be a schedule with that type. Just run another non-synthetic full backup if all you want is a full Jared M. Seaton Recovery Administrator Mylan Inc. 304-554-5926 304-685-1389 (Cell) dbergen

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread Tony T.
It's NTFS and you're creating and deleting a lot of files on the volume so of course it will fragment. Either defragment the volume or set the minimum threshold lower so that more files get deleted when the cleanup process runs to reduce the fragmentation. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
Today's NTFS handles fragmentation alot better - in fact, FAT and FAT32 were really the main file systems that would always get fragmented. That is not to say NTFS is not immune to the fragmentation that people may experience, but there are ways around to minimise it even more. Depending on the

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread Sesar, Steven L.
I still think that MS's undelete feature plays a part in this. When data is deleted in Windows, NTFS marks blocks to be released without actually erasing them. Rather than reusing released blocks, NTFS prefers new, unused blocks, which leads to fragmentation. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
H Not sure its common in NTFS though, however the older file systems FAT FAT32 definetely would play a part in this. Saying that, if users continually delete files from the same volume and they are restored from tape, would this increase fragmentation?

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread Jon Bousselot
I'm curious if the image fragment size has any impact on file system fragmentation? I have used 2gb for disk staging on vxfs/solaris successfully, but I never got the DSU volume much past 80% full. -Jon Today's NTFS handles fragmentation alot better - in fact, FAT and FAT32 were really

Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about synthetic backups

2008-02-20 Thread Martin, Jonathan
You need to run a differential and then a synthetic full immediately following. The synthetic basically takes your last full and applies all the differentials to it to create a new full image. Full + Diff + Diff + Diff = Synthetic Full Synthetic Full + Diff + Diff + Diff = Synthetic Full

Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1: Disk staging causing heavy fragmentation

2008-02-20 Thread Tony T.
On Feb 20, 2008 11:10 AM, Martin, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found through testing when we first added some 16TB of storage for Disk-2-Disk that your fragmentation is going to be directly related to how many simultaneous streams you write to a DSU/DSSU at a time. In my testing,

Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about synthetic backups

2008-02-20 Thread Jon Bousselot
The synthetic full keeps track of moved and deleted files that occur between incrementals. When the incrementals are assembled, the changes are reflected in the new synthetic full. I just tested this to see for myself. (ver 6.5) I believe this feature is enabled (and required) in the policy

Re: [Veritas-bu] bpbrm utilizing 99.9% CPU

2008-02-20 Thread Dustin Damour
Oops, it is running on SUSE Enterprise Linux 9, I always seem to forget some crucial piece of information like this. I ended up having to stopping NetBackup and restarting it to clear out the process. When I would try to kill it I kept getting the error that it didn't exist. Yet the GUI and

[Veritas-bu] LTO2 restore problem on LTO4 tape drive

2008-02-20 Thread JAJA (Jamie Jamison)
I'm having problems restoring a cumulative incremental standard policy backup stored on an LTO2 tape on an LTO4 drive. The density settings for the LTO2 tapes on my system is HCART, for LTO4 it's HCART3. I've run restores where I've set one of the LTO4 drives as density HCART in the device

[Veritas-bu] VCB Eror

2008-02-20 Thread renee carlisle
We are getting an error on our VCB backups that says: Snapshot creation failed: Custom pre-freeze script failed. but there isn't a custom script on the system. The VM is a Windows 2003 server and all VMware tools are up to date. The backup worked one day and failed the next day with this

Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about synthetic backups

2008-02-20 Thread Jon Bousselot
It is set to 9 days, and I can't remember what the initial default was. I run the synthetic fulls each week, so 9 days gives me the overlap I want in case something happens and the synthetic doesn't run right on schedule. I keep two weeks of incrementals, and three fulls on this system. -Jon

Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO2 restore problem on LTO4 tape drive

2008-02-20 Thread Boris Kraizman
Hi Jamie, Read this: *LTO-4* can *read*/write LTO-3 tapes but can only *read* LTO-2 tapes. It cannot *read LTO-1* tapes On Feb 20, 2008 2:16 PM, JAJA (Jamie Jamison) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having problems restoring a cumulative incremental standard policy backup stored on an LTO2 tape

Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about synthetic backups

2008-02-20 Thread Curtis Preston
As to TOP's question, have you tried running a full, then a series of incrementals, THEN a syn full or cumulative incremental? That's what it's designed for. Why would you make a syn full from a full? The results would be the same a duplication of that same backup, with a lot more work. The

[Veritas-bu] Exclusions

2008-02-20 Thread Leidy, Jason D
Question about excluding files on Windows 2003 clients (5.1 MP6) Is *.ldf and *.mdf the correct way to exclude all mdf and ldf files, regardless of what drive they are on? Or, do I need to specify the drive letter for each drive the ldf and mdf files reside on (D:\*.ldf, E:\*.ldf)? The admin

[Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

2008-02-20 Thread Hadrian Baron
Hi all, Does BMR really speed up recovery significantly? Reading through the documentation it seems that between the multiple reboots, reinstalling windows, restoring the data files, reformat time, it seems like it doesn't save much time over a typical restore (manually reformat the system,

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exclusions

2008-02-20 Thread Randy Samora
*.ldf and *.mdf is all you need. NetBackup will exclude every occurrence of files with those extensions even if you offer it cash to take them. Thanks, Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leidy, Jason D Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:04 PM To:

[Veritas-bu] NB 6.5.1 on AIX 5.3.6 does not start

2008-02-20 Thread Mark.Donaldson
6.5.0 starts fine, 6.5.1 does not. I only get a partial set of media server processes. Support, grasping at straws a bit I think, suggests setting AIXTHREAD_SCOPE to S... I suppose in the startup scripts for NB. Tech Doc: http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/294286.htm IBM Doc:

[Veritas-bu] test

2008-02-20 Thread rcarlisle
Testing email ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu

Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

2008-02-20 Thread Ed Wilts
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Hadrian Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does BMR really speed up recovery significantly? Reading through the documentation it seems that between the multiple reboots, reinstalling windows, restoring the data files, reformat time, it seems like it doesn't save

Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

2008-02-20 Thread Jon Bousselot
I would say yes, it is worth it. A few extra seconds on the backup job to collect BMR data, a BMR server for each of your supported platforms, and you get a simple way to get all your data back along with the configuration. I too witnessed a moderately complex windows system come back to life

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exclusions

2008-02-20 Thread Randy Samora
I've always said NetBackup can do anything you want it to do and it will do exactly what you tell it to do. That's good and bad. Symantec should merge with Google that way when I execute the wrong command, NetBackup will give me a popup with Did you mean . . . From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL