Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Dan Garry
On 15 August 2014 06:08, Todd Allen wrote: > > Developing for mobile is nice and should continue, but desktop is far from > dead. I don't even try to edit from mobile; I want my real keyboard and > monitor, not the crappy on screen one and 3" display. > This is a false dilemma. The WMF does not h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Todd Allen
Gerard, I don't think anyone is insisting on the status quo. But we do expect that improvements be, well, better than what they improve. Breaking attribution for our media files, or hiding it by requiring a click, is not an "improvement". The people who created and uploaded that media deserve thei

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread David Cuenca
Gerard, Citizenship in the digital world is more flexible than in the real world, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that it cannot be characterized. It is just a matter of providing a conceptual framework for defining rights, obligations, etc. and it avoids precisely that a person, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, David, who is the community and how do you get members of the community recognise and respect the decisions it does not like that are taken on their behalf by "its" representatives. We do not have one community, we have many. The interests people aim for are diverse and all too often contradic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am afraid you do not get the point. The point is that the desktop as we know it is our history. It is like the Dodo; something that is best experienced in the museum to be replaced by something contemporary in the real world. The development of a single UI is what you should consider and exp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > how should this be solved? > > To me it's saying that no matter who is informed, the WMF can never expect > that their work won't be overruled. > > That is problematic (regardless of who has the final authority) A first step would be to a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Pine W
Gerard, I believe that the disputes about MediaViewer are mostly about the desktop platform's version, as most editors use the desktop platform to edit. In general terms, I have yet to hear someone say that the Mobile platform is a low development priority. I am familiar with Mobile-l. Mobile dev