Keyhole solution:
The MediaWiki API and Wikipedia copyright and trademark licences allow
Wikipedia Redefined to implement their ideas already. It will, of course,
be marketed as an alternative browsing and editing device like AWB
currently is. If there's enough uptake, it's never too late for WMF
They have no financial means or interest in doing so, Deryck. They are a
design studio trying to push their work to prospective employers. Although
they could serve ads alongside the content, they do not have the
advertising budget to facilitate any sort of uptake. Plus, they could never
compete
rant
If WMF had a Steve Jobs on staff, everyone would hate him for making
decisions without properly consulting the community, for destroying
the community, for reinventing Wikimedia again, for making unpopular
decisions, for making decisions behind close doors, for being an
egomaniac, etc.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Denny Vrandečić
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote:
rant
If WMF had a Steve Jobs on staff, everyone would hate him for making
decisions without properly consulting the community, for destroying
the community, for reinventing Wikimedia again, for making
Indeed Denny, making those changes is very difficult, and we are
facing a number of these challenges.
You know what? Given the importance of a good user interface (and
other things), I could even imagine that the WMFbuilds up a new
Wikipedia site and watches where the majority of people want to
Trying to respond to your wiki is not... statement from this awful
gmail mobile website...
While technically correct, from the user's pov, which is the one the
websites's creators have, wiki is often used as a synonim for
wikipedia. I hear more often „did you search on wiki?” than „did you
search
No one will argue these days that the WMF is short of money, so this is a
good opportunity for it to deploy some of that funding for a real impact.
The main page on the English Wikipedia is an ideal starting point for a
conscious effort at design evolution throughout Wikimedia. The Foundation
2012/8/17 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Denny Vrandečić
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Yes, it would be nice if it was easier to change Wikipedia.
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Pyramid
Oh my goodness, Magnus. Is it that easy
On 8/17/12 12:02 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Pyramid
This is quite nice, especially on a larger screen! Our current layout,
which uses the full browser width for text, makes articles hard to read
and cluttered-looking on larger screens. The text
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:
On 8/17/12 12:02 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Pyramid
This is quite nice, especially on a larger screen! Our current layout, which
uses the full browser width for text, makes
On 17 August 2012 10:47, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:
On 8/17/12 12:02 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Pyramid
This is quite nice, especially on a larger
2012/8/17 Risker risker...@gmail.com:
It looks pretty clean and less cluttered. It also draws attention to some
of our internal issues, such as massive listing of references at the bottom
of the page, and all those templates linking groups of articles together;
between these two, they're
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Cristian Consonni
kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/8/17 Risker risker...@gmail.com:
It looks pretty clean and less cluttered. It also draws attention to some
of our internal issues, such as massive listing of references at the bottom
of the page, and all
Yes, I would like to see the skin in my Preferences. Where is a wiki
page for comment? :-)
Ziko
2012/8/17 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Cristian Consonni
kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/8/17 Risker risker...@gmail.com:
It looks pretty clean
2012/8/17 Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl:
Yes, I would like to see the skin in my Preferences. Where is a wiki
page for comment? :-)
See the META link in the upper-right corner i.e.:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_redefined
Cristian
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Cristian Consonni
kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/8/17 Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl:
Yes, I would like to see the skin in my Preferences. Where is a wiki
page for comment? :-)
See the META link in the upper-right corner i.e.:
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:54:38 -0400
From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX
and such
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Apart from using a vandalized version of [[Pyramid]] and a graphically
horrendous capital I, there are some nice elements in a generally good
layout.
The key improvement needed (and WAP has made this evident to more
people) is to stop wasting real estate on more and more nested top bars
and
Richard Farmbrough, 08/16/2012 11:56 AM:
The key improvement needed (and WAP has made this evident to more
people) is to stop wasting real estate on more and more nested top bars
and side bars. Even with a modern 15.2 inch laptop many pages have
threir contents squeezed enough by the OS,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Richard Farmbrough
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:
Apart from using a vandalized version of [[Pyramid]] and a graphically
horrendous capital I, there are some nice elements in a generally good
layout.
Looking at their screenshots, it seems as if that horrible
Never having been to design school like Amir, I can't comment on what grade
it might get. But I do like it a lot; I think it's a serious improvement
over what we use now, and incorporates design principles that we should
adopt even if we don't take the design itself. The visual elements, the
I personally think the Foundation should spend money and time on developing
a new interface like this.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Never having been to design school like Amir, I can't comment on what grade
it might get. But I do like it a lot; I think it's
Steven Walling's started an essay on Wikipedia redesigns:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns
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Ah, it is quite beautiful. Thanks to the designers for sharing their
visual ideas. I love seeing design fantasies like this; more please.
The rainbows and color-bars are beautiful, even though some people (in my
family too :) are colorblind. The color bar would work just fine without
hue,
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 August 2012 19:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
When it comes to hiding the existence of other languages... our current
skin has done that so effectively, that this design team didn't even
cover
the
Open by default for me too on all the browsers I have access to.
The question still came up at Wikimania :-/
Unfair of me to ascribe it to the skin. I suppose we've been hiding the
existence of other languages since the transition from having them above
the page title in Classic :-)
SJ
On Thu,
IIRC: languages defaulted closed in a first iteration of the new skin,
and then following discussion/complaints they was set to default open
again. Please don't ask me for links to said discussion, I don't
remember where it was :)
Re: the redesigns --
Personally I don't like this particular
I wonder what the wikipediaredefined people would think of Brandon Harris'
Athena Project?
cf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-06/Op-ed,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Athena, etc.
--Ed
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote:
Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion:
http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/
Yes, interesting.
I asked them about whether they intend to keep it teling us instead
of discussing it (no email list but
On 8 August 2012 09:06, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
In the Hebrew Wikipedia the View
history tab is called Previous versions, which makes a lot more
sense.)
That would be an *excellent* thing to do in MediaWiki in general.
- d.
Things I would change, I think that all pages have to have the main objective
of the Movement, and a comprehension of the project is part of something
bigger.
And this proposed segmentation is archaic, there are several items that fit
into more than one segment, and knowledge should not be
Labas!
My 2 cents:
Overall the team at http://www.newisnew.lt/lt have some very good ideas to
share, however:
If you are colorblind, the rainbow thing wont make any sense, and I
strongly dislike the idea of burying smaller languages under a mouse. I
think that Lithuanians (this re-design has
Yup, i think it's pretty nice. I especially like the 'edit' modus with
the live edit view. And the colored bars on the top of the main page
indicating the number of articles in a certain language.
-- Hay
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote:
Well, it's
Yes indeed. Cool ideas ... and they look a bit more *professional* than our
effort. ;)
Andreas
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
Well, it's certainly a possible starting point for discussion:
http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/
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