Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Ross Smith
Hey Brent, On the Sun hardware like the Thumper you do get a nice bright blue "ready to remove" led as soon as you issue the "cfgadm -c unconfigure xxx" command. On other hardware it takes a little more care, I'm labelling our drive bays up *very* carefully to ensure we always remove the rig

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Brent Jones
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk > >at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed > >then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its > >state as "removed" and the p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Ross
>Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk >at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed >then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its >state as "removed" and the pool as "degraded" but it will continue >to function, as expected. >-- richa

[zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-07-31 Thread Jorgen Lundman
We have having some issues in copying the existing data on our Sol 11 snv_70b x4500 to the new Sol 10 5/08 x4500. With all the panics, and crashes, we have had no chance to completely copy a single filesystem. (ETA for that is about 48 hours). What are the chances that I can zpool import all f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote: > Hey folks, > > I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some > feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. > I've been using ZFS for nearly 3 years now. It has been my (mirrored :-) home directory for that time. I've never lost any of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Miles Nordin
> "r" == Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: r> This is a big step for us, we're a 100% windows company and r> I'm really going out on a limb by pushing Solaris. I'm using it in anger. I'm angry at it, and can't afford anything that's better. Whatever I replaced ZFS with, I would ma

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-31 Thread Jonathan Loran
Miles Nordin wrote: >> "s" == Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > > s> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354 > > no ECC: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_Chipsets > This MB will take these: http://www.inte

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-31 Thread mike
i must pose the question then: is ECC required? i am running non-ECC RAM right now on my machine (it's AMD and it would support ECC, i'd just have to buy it online and wait for it) but will it have any negative effects on ZFS integrity/checksumming if ECC RAM is not used? obviously it's nice t

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-31 Thread Miles Nordin
> "s" == Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: s> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354 no ECC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_Chipsets pgpSbbK6c48b6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ zfs-

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Dave
Enda O'Connor wrote: > > As for thumpers, once 138053-02 ( marvell88sx driver patch ) releases > within the next two weeks ( assuming no issues found ), then the thumper > platform running s10 updates will be up to date in terms of marvel88sx > driver fixes, which fixes some pretty important

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Vincent Fox
We have 50,000 users worth of mail spool on ZFS. So we've been trusting it for production usage for THE most critical & visible enterprise app. Works fine. Our stores are ZFS RAID-10 built of LUNS from pairs of 3510FC. Had an entire array go down once, the system kept going fine. Brought the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Chad Lewis
On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Bob Netherton wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 13:25 -0700, Ross wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do >> with some >> feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. > > ZFS in anger ? That's an intere

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Netherton
> We haven't had any "real life" drive failures at work, but at home I > took some old flaky IDE drives and put them in a pentium 3 box running > Nevada. Similar story here. Some IDE and SATA drive burps under Linux (and please don't tell me how wonderful Reiser4 is - 'cause it's banned in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Bob Netherton
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 13:25 -0700, Ross wrote: > Hey folks, > > I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some > feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. ZFS in anger ? That's an interesting way of putting it :-) > but I have some real concerns abo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Will Murnane
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 16:25, Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problems with zpool status hanging concern me, knowing that I can't hot > plug drives is an issue, and the long resilver times bug is also a potential > problem. I suspect I can work around the hot plug drive bug with a big >

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-31 Thread Steve
Since all the other components can be the same (ram, cpu, hdd, case, etc) why not to spend $30 more for this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Stephen Stogner wrote: > True we could have all the syslog data be directed towards the host but the > underlying issue remains the same with the performance hit. We have used nfs > shares for log hosts and mail hosts and we are looking towards using a zfs > based mail store with nfs moutnts fr

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-auto-snapshot 0.11 work (was Re: zfs-auto-snapshot with at schedul

2008-07-31 Thread Tim Foster
Hey Nils, Nils Goroll wrote: but in cases where you're powering down a laptop overnight, you don't want to just take a load of snapshots after you power on for every missed cron job, you just want one This is precisely what the at solution is doing: As there is only one at job for each zfs sna

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors in ZFS/NFSv4 ACL Documentation

2008-07-31 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Mark, I filed two bugs for these issues but they are not visible in the Opensolaris bug database yet: 6731639 More NFSv4 ACL changes for ls.1 (Nevada) 6731650 More NFSv4 ACL changes for acl.5 (Nevada) The current ls.1 man page can be displayed on docs.sun.com, here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Enda O'Connor
Ross wrote: > Hey folks, > > I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some > feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. > > I'm about to go live with ZFS in our company on a new fileserver, but I have > some real concerns about whether I can really tr

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-auto-snapshot 0.11 work (was Re: zfs-auto-snapshot with at schedul

2008-07-31 Thread Nils Goroll
Hi Tim, > Finally getting around to answering Nil's mail properly - only a month > late! Not a problem. > Okay, after careful consideration, I don't think I'm going to add this that's fine for me, but ... > but in cases where you're powering down a laptop overnight, > you don't want to just ta

[zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-07-31 Thread Ross
Hey folks, I guess this is an odd question to be asking here, but I could do with some feedback from anybody who's actually using ZFS in anger. I'm about to go live with ZFS in our company on a new fileserver, but I have some real concerns about whether I can really trust ZFS to keep my data al

Re: [zfs-discuss] boot cdrom -w doesn't work

2008-07-31 Thread Ron Halstead
Thanks Cindy. My co-worker ( whom I mentor), told me the proper way. It is boot cdrom - w, not cdrom -w. He's right. He should be mentoring me. I'll try your way later, nv94 is loading now.. --ron This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-dis

[zfs-discuss] Async open(2)/close(2) (Re: Terrible zfs performance under NFS load)

2008-07-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:07:20PM -0500, Paul Fisher wrote: > Stephen Stogner wrote: > > True we could have all the syslog data be directed towards the host but the > > underlying issue remains the same with the performance hit. We have used > > nfs shares for log hosts and mail hosts and we ar

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Paul Fisher
Stephen Stogner wrote: > True we could have all the syslog data be directed towards the host but the > underlying issue remains the same with the performance hit. We have used nfs > shares for log hosts and mail hosts and we are looking towards using a zfs > based mail store with nfs moutnts fr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Stephen Stogner
True we could have all the syslog data be directed towards the host but the underlying issue remains the same with the performance hit. We have used nfs shares for log hosts and mail hosts and we are looking towards using a zfs based mail store with nfs moutnts from x mail servers but if nfs/zf

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Stephen Stogner wrote: > Hello, > We have a S10U5 server sharing with zfs sharing up NFS shares. While using > the nfs mount for a log destination for syslog for 20 or so busy mail servers > we have noticed that the throughput becomes severly degraded shortly. I have > tried disabling the zi

Re: [zfs-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Disk quotas with CIFS & ZFS

2008-07-31 Thread Afshin Salek
There's not much that CIFS can do as far as user quotas go without filesystem support. I've CC'ed zfs-discuss, somebody there might be able to provide you something useful. Afshin Ross wrote: > Not sure if this is the best place to ask about this. I know ZFS doesn't > have user quotas, but is t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Paul Fisher
Stephen Stogner wrote: > Hello, > We have a S10U5 server sharing with zfs sharing up NFS shares. While using > the nfs mount for a log destination for syslog for 20 or so busy mail servers > we have noticed that the throughput becomes severly degraded shortly. I have > tried disabling the zi

[zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-07-31 Thread Stephen Stogner
Hello, We have a S10U5 server sharing with zfs sharing up NFS shares. While using the nfs mount for a log destination for syslog for 20 or so busy mail servers we have noticed that the throughput becomes severly degraded shortly. I have tried disabling the zil, turning off cache flushing and

Re: [zfs-discuss] boot cdrom -w doesn't work

2008-07-31 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Ron, Try again by using this syntax: ok boot cdrom - text Make sure you have reviewed the ZFS boot/install chapter in the ZFS admin guide, here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ Cindy Ron Halstead wrote: > I have a Sun Blade 2500 running nv_88. I want to install nv_94 with a

[zfs-discuss] boot cdrom -w doesn't work

2008-07-31 Thread Ron Halstead
I have a Sun Blade 2500 running nv_88. I want to install nv_94 with a mirrored zfs root filesystem. At the ok prompt, I entered boot cdrom -w so that I would get the test installer and could select zfs as the root filesystem. Unfortunately, I got the GUI installer and can not select a zfs root.

[zfs-discuss] Kernel panic on ZFS snapshot destroy

2008-07-31 Thread Mike Futerko
Hello all I have weird problem with a snapshot... when I try to delete it kernel panics. However I can successfully create and then delete other snapshots on same file system. The OS version I noticed it happens was snv_81 so I've upgraded to snv_94 (LU) but it doesn't help. I've attached a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-07-31 Thread Ross Smith
I'm not sure you're actually seeing the same problem there Richard. It seems that for you I/O is stopping on removal of the device, whereas for me I/O continues for some considerable time. You are also able to obtain a result from "zpool status" whereas that completely hangs for me. To illu

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs_nocacheflush

2008-07-31 Thread Roch - PAE
Peter Tribble writes: > A question regarding zfs_nocacheflush: > > The Evil Tuning Guide says to only enable this if every device is > protected by NVRAM. > > However, is it safe to enable zfs_nocacheflush when I also have > local drives (the internal system drives) using ZFS, in particula

Re: [zfs-discuss] problems accessing ZFS snapshots

2008-07-31 Thread Thomas Nau
Tim On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Tim Haley wrote: > Ah, ignore my previous question. We believe we found the problem, and filed: > > 6731778 'ls *' in empty zfs snapshot directory returns EILSEQ vs. ENOENT we > get in other empty directories > > Fix will likely go back today or tomorrow and be present