Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
I have reason to believe that both the drive, and the OS are correct. I have suspicion that the HBA simply handled the creation of this volume somehow differently than how it handled the original. Don't know the answer for sure yet. Ok, that's confirmed now. Apparently when the drives ship

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Your experience is exactly why I suggested ZFS start doing some right sizing if you will.  Chop off a bit from the end of any disk so that we're guaranteed to be able to replace drives from different manufacturers.  The excuse being no reason to, Sun drives are always of identical size.  If

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
CR 6844090, zfs should be able to mirror to a smaller disk http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6844090 b117, June 2009 Awesome. Now if someone would only port that to solaris, I'd be a happy man. ;-) ___ zfs-discuss mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.comwrote: CR 6844090, zfs should be able to mirror to a smaller disk http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6844090 b117, June 2009 Awesome. Now if someone would only port that to solaris, I'd be a

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
There is some question about performance. Is there any additional overhead caused by using a slice instead of the whole physical device? No. If the disk is only used for ZFS, then it is ok to enable volatile disk write caching if the disk also supports write cache flush requests. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
I haven't taken that approach, but I guess I'll give it a try. From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 11:00 PM To: Edward Ned Harvey Cc: Richard Elling; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice On Sun, Apr 4, 2010

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 4, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: There is some question about performance. Is there any additional overhead caused by using a slice instead of the whole physical device? No. If the disk is only used for ZFS, then it is ok to enable volatile disk write caching if the

[zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
, which one(s) I want to do, in order to create the large slice of my disks. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
One reason to slice comes from recent personal experience. One disk of a mirror dies. Replaced under contract with an identical disk. Same model number, same firmware. Yet when it's plugged into the system, for an unknown reason, it appears 0.001 Gb smaller than the old disk, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com skrev: What build were you running? The should have been addressed by CR6844090 that went into build 117. I'm running solaris, but that's irrelevant. The storagetek array controller itself reports the new disk as infinitesimally smaller

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
And finally, if anyone has experience doing this, and process recommendations?  That is … My next task is to go read documentation again, to refresh my memory from years ago, about the difference between “format,” “partition,” “label,” “fdisk,” because those terms don’t have the same meaning

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Oh, I managed to find a really good answer to this question. Several sources all say to do precisely the same procedure, and when I did it on a test system, it worked perfectly. Simple and easy to repeat. So I think this is the gospel method to create the slices, if you're going to

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
On Apr 2, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I've also heard that the risk for unexpected failure of your pool is higher if/when you reach 100% capacity. I've heard that you should always create a small ZFS filesystem within a pool, and give it some reserved space, along with the

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
I would return the drive to get a bigger one before doing something as drastic as that. There might have been a hichup in the production line, and that's not your fault. Yeah, but I already have 2 of the replacement disks, both doing the same thing. One has a firmware newer than my old disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I would return the drive to get a bigger one before doing something as drastic as that. There might have been a hichup in the production line, and that's not your fault. Yeah, but I already have 2 of the replacement disks, both doing the same

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey guacam...@nedharvey.comwrote: Momentarily, I will begin scouring the omniscient interweb for information, but I’d like to know a little bit of what people would say here. The question is to slice, or not to slice, disks before using them in

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 03/04/2010 19:24, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey guacam...@nedharvey.com mailto:guacam...@nedharvey.com wrote: Momentarily, I will begin scouring the omniscient interweb for information, but I’d like to know a little bit of what people would

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Robert Milkowski mi...@task.gda.pl wrote: On 03/04/2010 19:24, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey guacam...@nedharvey.com wrote: Momentarily, I will begin scouring the omniscient interweb for information, but I’d like to

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Robert Milkowski mi...@task.gda.plwrote: On 03/04/2010 19:24, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey guacam...@nedharvey.com wrote: Momentarily, I will begin

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: Your experience is exactly why I suggested ZFS start doing some right sizing if you will. Chop off a bit from the end of any disk so that we're guaranteed to be able to replace drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Richard Elling
. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: Your experience is exactly why I suggested ZFS start doing some right sizing if you will. Chop off a bit

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-03 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: Your experience is exactly why I suggested ZFS start doing

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-02 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice Momentarily, I will begin scouring the omniscient interweb for information, but I'd like to know a little bit of what people would say here. The question is to slice, or not to slice, disks before using them in a zpool. One reason to slice comes from

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-02 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 3/10 10:23 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Momentarily, I will begin scouring the omniscient interweb for information, but I’d like to know a little bit of what people would say here. The question is to slice, or not to slice, disks before using them in a zpool. Not. One reason to

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-02 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Edward Ned Harvey guacam...@nedharvey.comwrote: There is some question about performance. Is there any additional overhead caused by using a slice instead of the whole physical device? zfs will disable the write cache when it's not working with whole disks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-02 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.comwrote: I’ve also heard that the risk for unexpected failure of your pool is higher if/when you reach 100% capacity. I’ve heard that you should always create a small ZFS filesystem within a pool, and give it some reserved

Re: [zfs-discuss] To slice, or not to slice

2010-04-02 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 2, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I’ve also heard that the risk for unexpected failure of your pool is higher if/when you reach 100% capacity. I’ve heard that you should always create a small ZFS filesystem within a pool, and give it some reserved space, along with the