Reflections/Detroit Influnce Archives Up
http://www.undergroundcommittee.com It's finally here ladies and gentlemenLarry Heard, DJ Rolando, Dave Manic up now and many more to come!!! Enjoy and positive feedback is encouraged. Peace. j.d.
rolling?
Jeff Richards wrote: all these 14-18 year old kids laying around on the floor rolling thier ass off. that is not my cup of + -stacey wrote: music and parties more than that 21 yr old sittin in the corner rubbing vicks all over them saying how cool the music sounds while rolling. Its more about erm... what's rolling? and where does rubbing vicks come into it...??? sounds bizarre... don't think I've heard of that in Sydney. wishing I had a copy of Green Velvet's Flash', chris
Re: [313] rolling?
Has anyone heard Oliver Ho's new album, Listening To The Voice Inside? What is it like? Is there any info on him on the Internet? Also, can anyone remember which PM release samples Madonna's Erotica? Thanx Cyclone
Re: (313) Online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/plur/p etition.html
Haye! About this underage thing, over the years I have noticed that an alarming number of currently influential and big-name DJs and producers were attending parties and clubs at a very early age! Mills says he started going to parties at 10/11/12 and that's how he learnt how to understand the dynamics of crowds and music. Others snuck into clubs. The real issue is the police brutality surely? *** Well, actualy, that's quite true. A lot, and I mean A *LOT* of people that are into the music today started to attend parties (well, maybe not in the same format) and clubs at a very early age. And that's natural, people in general tend to get into music between their 13's-17's. Lay Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) Online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/plur/p etition.html
Haye! About this underage thing, over the years I have noticed that an alarming number of currently influential and big-name DJs and producers were attending parties and clubs at a very early age! Mills says he started going to parties at 10/11/12 and that's how he learnt how to understand the dynamics of crowds and music. Others snuck into clubs. The real issue is the police brutality surely? *** Well, actualy, that's quite true. A lot, and I mean A *LOT* of people that are into the music today started to attend parties (well, maybe not in the same format) and clubs at a very early age. And that's natural, people in general tend to get into music between their 13's-17's. Lay Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
DL
1. Adam Beyer's tracks are fine. Call them tracks, music, or categorize it by their sinewave's amplitude. I don't care. What makes 'this kind' of music exciting is what the DJ can do with it. 2. Fox is mudslinging. The same reason Jerry Springer books two-headed inbreds, for ratings. 3. Come out and support a *real* artist tonight at Forans if you're able to get downtown. One who's been spinning since practically I was in middle school.. and I'm 26. -Steve-
051000 Emerald Nights roster
Tonight's guest performer at Emerald Nights will be HEATH SILICON BRUNNER. Heath started the 'Vmax' record label with two partners and today the releases still expand the scope of underground electronic limits in Detroit. Heath is an *excellent* and very versatile DJ, as I mentioned in my previous mail. Horsepower-
James Ruskin track
Has anybody already listened to the new James Ruskin album on Tresor? In 'Connected' I tend to reckognize a melody that has been used before, but I can't seem to place it. Anybody? John
Perlon special on Equinox tonite
Hey there, Just a reminder that special guests on the show tonight will be Mike Blotto, Bryan Falling, and possibly Michael Markus from the Mettle crew. They are presenting a night Friday May 12 featuring Perlon artists: Markus Nikolai (live) Dimbiman (live) Pantytec (live) + opening set by Michael Markus Mike Blotto for more info on the event check out the site: http://www.mettlemusic.com Like usual the show is from 10pm-2am EST on http://www.1groove.com + 89.5fm (12-2am) in Toronto. Plus, there is a toll free number for anyone in North America 1-877-GROOVE1. For those who can't tune in live, you can always check out the show in the archives for 1 week following the initial broadcast. Cheers, Gerald.
Is it Acid Techno?
ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. jeff __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Betr.: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
I didn't know there was a difference. Isn't it also called HardHouse? W Jeff Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10-05-2000 15:42:23 ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. jeff __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
It is definately trance, but it is a much harder more edgey version many times based around 1 or 2 word samples. Labels such as ClusterF*ck and Routemaster (home to artists like chris liberator and d.a.v.e. the drummer) have coined to the term hard acid tecno to describe the sound, which I think is appropriate. It is one of those situations in which you know it is trance, but you just don't want to call it trance. :) ben -Original Message- From: Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Jeff Richards Subject: Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno? It is trance! Just a harder version, call it hard trance or acid trance if you want. It's the same old trance theme using harder more techno like sounds. Just because they are using similar sounds/gear as other techno producers doesn't make it techno IMHO. Gerald Jeff Richards wrote: ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. jeff __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
Jeff Richards wrote: ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc. i have noticed some similarities between it and trance. a bouncy baseline, snare drum rolls. but it is still way too agressive to be trance. whats the deal? am i the only one who noticed it? it don't matter though, i still like it. Rowland the Bastard's International Gonad (Paradigm) sounds to me like the stuff from IMPORTANT records back in '93, and that was what we called techno (TEKKNO). OK, it was Acid and Techno, but we really never considered that hard 303 funk really as Trance... Back in those days true trance was dark and good, IT HAD BEATS!!! It was Hardfloor's Acperience, Ongaku's Mihon etc... Not just going up up and up, but really something that when listened and danced long enough, it put you in a trance. Trance as a genre went downhills from '94 onwards. I know what people think about trance at the moment, but in '94 even something like Phylyps trak on BC was played by trance/techno DJ's, AND IT WAS PERFECT TRANCE! Hard, hammer-like beats and metallic sounds really defined what a good trancy-techno could be. It's the cheese-factor that puts most people away from current trance. (check: www.satelliterecords.com and they have a listening booth with Rowland's tracks...) Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
ROLANDO/ALEXI DELANOnyc
**NOTICE Just wanted to let you know that TrooSkool will be moving from flamingo to 113 LUDLOW ST. starting this Saturday, may 13th... 113 Ludlow st. can be found btwn rivington st. and Delancey st., near the williamsburg bridge...word This Saturday May 13th we welcome DJ ROLANDO aka the aztec mystic underground resistance detroit ALEXI DELANO earthtones/seasons/svek nyc along with FOUNDATION residents KIMYON, RICHB, VIKAS and some special guests... upcoming shows: May 20th: MIKE HUCKABY deeptransportation detroit WILD PLANET430west detroit live set May 27th: NICK HOLDERrnrk/dnh SEAN DEASON matrix, K7, distance special guests will be appearing for each of these events...more tba all held at 113 ludlow st...for info call 347.528.6248 http://www.foundationteam.com peace and love... vikaS FOUNDATION
Re: (313) Deta releases
Hi ppl, Thanks for the reply, Nick... It's a pity I couldn't get online earlier 'cause I found out about the Querida release on Saturday... I went down to Inner City in Leeds u c (I understand you're on their mailing list too). Also picked up that nice new Technasia tune called Force... Tribal stuff isn't always to my taste anymore so that Querida was out... I have a new question though now... Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Music Man pressing of Jeff Mills Lifelike EP and the Axis version or if their both exactly the same? I bought the Music Man version on Saturday (So it's been out for ages! I'm a poor student okay!?!) and I hope all of you can forgive me for the nasty things I've said about Mills previously. V. good indeed... Cheers, Nick Walsh(Dj Pacific:) --- Nick Craddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, Claude Young's Deta label has had two releases to date. Deta 001 is Claude's 'The Numbers EP' Deta 002 is Querida - 'Querida #1' Tracklisting:- A: Treachery AA.1: Agua AA.2 Lost Highway It's a little different from the first release, with three percussive tribal tracks - very well put together though. Querida is actually a pseudonym of one of Claude's best buddies; a certain Essex-based producer who's usual output is of a distinctly more jazzy nature. NC Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
oliver ho (was Re: [313] rolling?)
new oliver ho album? is it on meta? can anyone give me info on this one? thanx -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone heard Oliver Ho's new album, Listening To The Voice Inside? What is it like? Is there any info on him on the Internet? Also, can anyone remember which PM release samples Madonna's Erotica? Thanx Cyclone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] oliver ho (was Re: [313] rolling?)
In a message dated 5/10/00 1:19:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: new oliver ho album? is it on meta? can anyone give me info on this one? thanx I just got a hold of the EP on Sequential. Hot, very tribal, I'm diggin' it. Also got a copy of Karl O'Connor/Peter Sutton album on Tresor. A couple of good tracks on it, but by and large this is the kind of stuff people refer to when they say they don't like techno. a. === Play Loud. Spin Hard. Log On. www.puresonikrecords.net
Re: [313] oliver ho (was Re: [313] rolling?)
it is sequential 1 with a damon wild rmx, isn't it? yeah, i also like it very much. regarding to the regis album, is there a release date so far? also, anyone heard the new downwards, lino24 by regis? very good imo, with extreme industrial approach -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/10/00 1:19:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: new oliver ho album? is it on meta? can anyone give me info on this one? thanx I just got a hold of the EP on Sequential. Hot, very tribal, I'm diggin' it. Also got a copy of Karl O'Connor/Peter Sutton album on Tresor. A couple of good tracks on it, but by and large this is the kind of stuff people refer to when they say they don't like techno. a. === Play Loud. Spin Hard. Log On. www.puresonikrecords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [313] oliver ho (was Re: [313] rolling?)
it is sequential 1 with a damon wild rmx, isn't it? yeah, i also like it very much. regarding to the regis album, is there a release date so far? also, anyone heard the new downwards, lino24 by regis? very good imo, with extreme industrial approach Anyone know if these guys are going to release a full length or are these lil 7 records just an expirement or collectors items. So far there are two Lino 24s on 7 (a bit confusing)...One is An Introduction to the Workplace which is just a 7 full of metal shop noises by K. Bennett and David J. Wirethen last weeks Public Information Film by Regis...also labeled Lino 24 on the outside, and on the 7 Lino 2a on both w/ a more industrial noise approach.. so what gives..these just collectors items, or some pre-release hoop-la to something big? Anyone hear anything on this or happen to own some whites of something BIGGER to come like an album? David H. - N-side Records - Inside source for Underground Music. http://www.n-siderecords.com :: Austin,TX, USA. (512)837-5650 (bus) :: (508)526-7797 (fax)
Re: [313] rolling?
You can still get the flash remixes on Relief. Ya just have to look. There's also a white label that has flash, answering maching, and I want to leave my body. Chris z. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Is it Acid Techno?
I think what is confusing is that our understanding of what constitutes 'trance' is actually quite fluid and has changed over time. Sven Vath, Jam Spoon, Sash!, Sasha and Digweed, BT, Paul Van Dyk, Christopher Lawrence, Oliver Lieb, Hallucinogen, Carl Cox and the Liberator DJs are all labelled trance. All very different acts. Christopher Lawrence gets quite worked up about being put in the same bracket as the commercial UK variety. Remember there was even a time when Mills (circa Waveform Transmission Vol 1) was considered 'trance'. Then there is the trance/progressive house distinction, the latter being considered 'deeper', 'funkier' and more' intelligent' - eg Hybrid. The Liberators' stuff is referred to interchangeably as trance, hard house and acid techno (they flip those terms themselves). They are actually nice lads - not at all pretentious and all about ''avin' it.' Certainly what they do is better than the big name UK cats. They have a cheeky outlook on Detroit though! What was that album called? It's Not From Detroit, It's Not Intelligent But It's 'Avin' It or something like that. Dave gripes a bit about the purism in the scene and he has (unwisely!) criticised the status of various Detroit icons but it's more the UK press he has a problem with. They are all part of the squat party thing in London. C ok, i was just wondering what everbody thinks. I have been listening to some of the brittish acid techno like dave the drummer, chris liberator, roland the bastard (what a name, gotta love that guy), julian liberator, etc, etc.
Re: [313] age then vs. age now
oh yeah..the graystone ballroombut yer leaving out things like the racist skins, cops showing up cause of fights etc yep, the skins had a house called the bunker just a few blocks away, north of michigan ave. but i still wanted to be out there and see all of the different music that the city had to offer and if you were under-age what options did you have? which actually kinda proves the point that if you're underage in detroit your options are very limited... g Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] age then vs. age now
went everywhere. anyone on the list ever hit the graystone(all ages, remember lotsa jolt cola)? bookies? alcove? todd's? city club/liedernacht(wow, anyone seen sterling lately?) oh boy - even homesick night @ industry? oh yeah..the graystone ballroombut yer leaving out things like the racist skins, cops showing up cause of fights etc *leaving for detroit friday* wh! -k
green velvet
i just now realized that this whole flash thread was about green velvet. i could be wrong, but wouldn't flash be on his release that covers his best songs of the 90's?? i believe it is 4 or 5 records. good set. i know the stalker, red light, and answering machine are all on there. jeff --- Chris Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can still get the flash remixes on Relief. Ya just have to look. There's also a white label that has flash, answering maching, and I want to leave my body. Chris z. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
green velvet
i just now realized that this whole flash thread was about green velvet. i could be wrong, but wouldn't flash be on his release that covers his best songs of the 90's?? i believe it is 4 or 5 records. good set. i know the stalker, red light, and answering machine are all on there. jeff --- Chris Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can still get the flash remixes on Relief. Ya just have to look. There's also a white label that has flash, answering maching, and I want to leave my body. Chris z. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
HardHouse?
Wibo wrote: I didn't know there was a difference. Isn't it also called HardHouse? Actually there is currently a fairly strong distinction (Stateside, anyway) between that music and hard house. Hard house is much more loopy and 4-4, and definitely less complex. It is closer to tech-house than to trance/hard trance/acid trance. Derrick Carter plays techy and hard when he comes to Detroit, and it always upsets me because elsewhere he plays much more upbeat and eclectic. Shane PLURkids Productions Info 734.913.9672 www.plurkids.com _ ___ o __)) ))_ )) __ __ _ )) ((_( ((_ (( (| ((_) (( (( Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] HardHouse?
The term 'hard house' is fluid too - everyone from Mrs Wood to Derrick Carter/Gene Farris is tagged that. I think with the latter 'tech-house' has superceded it though, it's considered classier/more cred, maybe. 'Hard house' is associated with Baby Doc's sound. He claims to be the man behind 'hard house'. It's the Trade vibe, too, with DJs like the late Tony de Vit and Fergie championing it. Very big in some facets of the gay scene. I didn't know there was a difference. Isn't it also called HardHouse? Actually there is currently a fairly strong distinction (Stateside, anyway) between that music and hard house. Hard house is much more loopy and 4-4, and definitely less complex. It is closer to tech-house than to trance/hard trance/acid trance. Derrick Carter plays techy and hard when he comes to Detroit, and it always upsets me because elsewhere he plays much more upbeat and eclectic.
[313] HardHouse?
are you talking about that ghetto shit? UC, jasperstone, dancemania, etc. some of its dope, some it sucks peace vidal Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] HardHouse?
I've seen Derrick Carter plays lots of times, and his style varies by the crowd, not the venue in my experience. If it's a bunch of kids he'll play hard as nails because that's about all they want.
