Fliers.....
One of the things I recall about the party culture which fed and was fed by detroit techno are the fliers. Zany, beautiful, and in at least one case haunting (I'm recalling a particular time2 flier). Has anyone attempted to archive old school detroit fliers? I'm a pack rat...but the stuff i SHOULD'VE kept in this case, I didn't. peace! lks
RE: [313] industrial vs. hip hop
if i remember right Ministry's land of rape and honey album had a industrial/hip-hop song on it...it wasn't bad either. -Original Message- From: Sanderson Dear [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:14 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop best mutation of hip-hop IMO is dig it by skinny puppy. i confess i've been a fan since the remission ep... if i'm asked i'll totally disavow any knowledge of this admission. ;) sanderson Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DEMF Schedule to go (was Re: demf site suggestion)
Hope this doesn't step on any toes... Here's the DEMF schedule in Palm DOC format (readable by various Palm OS utilities) I grabbed the schedule from the Free Press Download either http://bewitched.dyndns.org/files/DemfSched.hqx or http://bewitched.dyndns.org/files/DemfSched.zip depending on your desktop platform. -d.w. MikeD wrote: I don't know if anyone from the demf is listening to all of this..but I'd like to make a suggestion: avant-go palm pilot schedule download. i'll try and make one available for download before the weekend...but odds are i wont complete it... does anyone know how to do this out there? can you hook it up? =)
Re: [313] industrial
Haye! forgive my bubbliness this morning, but the discussion of techno industrial really get me going! Let us knot forget thee influence ov Psycick T.V. and Fred Gianelli, they really had the techno/house/industrial crossover thing going on for a long time. I've been listening to a loth of the PTV acid house material lately, quite tasty! *** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop
Haye! a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into the scene. any other neithers? me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the screwing in the light bulb... the killing the cockroach... and of course the oh no the sun. *** Well, I used to listen to some heavy metal and rock'n'roll, Iron Maiden, Helloween, Gun's 'n' Roses, Carcass, Napalm Death, but I was young and naive. Then I jumped directly to Acid House from one day to another, I used to listen to a tape that was called Super Acid Mix - yeah, I know, but it was nice back then :-) And it eventualy took me to Detroit stuff. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] nu groove
-Original Message- From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:01 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] nu groove is there a easy way of getting into the nu groove series, ie compliation cds or likes? looking to get my hands on: LB Bad - The Prince of Dance Music (any format) thanks jason - -Original Message- From: sqrrt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, 26 May 2000 23:19 Subject: RE: [313] nu groove Well, there's a set of 3 compilations (plus some Best Of CDs from some of the Nu Groove roaster) available on Hot, but that track isn't on any of them, AFAIK. (What is that track, anyway? It doesn't ring a bell. The Prince Of Dance Music L. B. Bad Presents: The True Story Of House Nu Groove ng 033 L B Bad stands for La Mont Booker who in 1988 released (under the LB BAD moniker)one the bigest everdeep house tunes (This Dream is Real-It's Not a dream) on his own La Rhon label(la Rhon26) (i read it's Shamen's Mr C fav track) made the true Story Of House ep in 89 for NuGroove,It's a six track ep with 4 versions of Body Mechanix another track called i'm so Alone , And what made it so collectbl New Age Bonus Track - The New Age Of Faith Act 1 The sea - Birth , Act 2 The Land - life Act 3 The Stars - Faith in Heaven while Body Mechanix was an old school ,bit campy,house tune most dj picked up on , some other dj's ( like LX Peterson)picked up on the beatlessNew Age Bonus Track -The New Age Of Faith which together with tracks like:Virgo-Under u,Knuckles-your love etc presented a new style in dance for those early years - Ambient . someone that must have heard it was Andrew Weatherall,who have taken it and remade it into a huge hit under hisSabres Of Paradise (who's first record was also a remake of Throbing Gristles - united) anyway the new track by the Sabres called Smokebelch became huge for them.Pretty soon there were a part 2,a white label remix by David Holmes,and more versions on the Sabres Of Paradise Lp (which i think was on Warp),of course the original Nu Groove rekid became a very sought after item due to all this,and since all this happened after the demise of Nu Groove (unlike other rekids on the label that blew bigwhile the label was still around( Boby Kondors-House Rhythm comes to mind)this was not repressed and bootleged straight away,and was like impossible to find a couple of years ago Dj Hell did a rerelease of it with some remixes for his Gigolo label,i remember listenin to it,and i was realy surprised to find out he left theThe New Age Of Faith out as this was what most ppl wanted this for,There were also white Label coppies on Hardwax's list a couple of years ago,i don't know what exactly was on them tho. As for LB BAD i know he actualy lives in Berlin(which explains the Hardwax conection) and still releasing rekids on his La Rhon label(last one i bought was # 33 in 96 ,but i think they are up to 40something now) other LBB stuff came out around 1990 under his Lord K.C.B guise as for Nu Groove Compilations , i only know of the 2 that were on Network (green one was quite good) there were also some cd compilation,and a lot of stuff got bootleged check the Nu Groove discography i've done at: http://ad.techno.org/ e,r
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop
-Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sanderson Dear' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, 27 May 2000 11:48 Subject: RE: [313] industrial vs. hip hop if i remember right Ministry's land of rape and honey album had a industrial/hip-hop song on it...it wasn't bad either. sounds like the one Adrian Sherwood did for them! the intresting thing about them was that the album The Mind is A Terrible Thing To Taste was recorded in Chicago Trax Studio - were it's not just a studio ,it's a way of life - A J Another industrial - house conection in Chicago was that one of the bands on Wax Trax (Die Warzau ?) had a few records on chicago trax(Samurai Sam,Xipotec etc) e,r
Re: [313] industrial
*** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jorge Velez [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...) Dave Clarke Autechre Granted, and i think Black Dog (At least Ed Handley) were influenced Also Jay Denham was a Hip-Hop DJ (Or so that rough guide says). TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous
Re: [313] Slam in the Park
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: derrick would win that one hands down...ok maybe not...i think it would depend on who brings out the better tracks that night. they are equally good dj's jeff It'd also depend if Derrick manages to turn up. He's getting a reputation for not turning up in Scotland (So I Here). ;) TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous
book signings
hey all, forgot to post this to the list ... so much for self-promotion: Book Signings at the Pure Detroit booth at DEMF: Sat. 3:00 p.m. Sun. 1:00 p.m. Hope to see you there. -Dan Dan Sicko http://www.reverbmag.com http://www.techno-rebels.com
RE: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
Alan I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. Cheers Rol Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. And what is the rest of Detroit (ie the electronic music community) into? It sounds remarkably diverse to me! It's defined more by its qualities - funk and soul and individualism - than a specific sound? There are many sounds, at any rate. Remember the minimal sound that European techno is now known for has its roots in what Alan, UR, Jeff, Rob were doing. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. You can't assume that just because person A doesn't play what person B does doesn't mean they don't like it. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I disagree, people just go down their own paths. It's called artistry! I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. I think Alan does more gigs in the US than many of his peers, so that's not it. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. I guess we're lucky in Australia as the laws are less rigid. You can have parties that go all hours, virtually. That way you could have everyone play. I think this is a fantastic event (I've been reading all the reports in the Detroit Free Press Online) and I would urge the organisers to consider doing more press overseas in future years to really raise its international profile. I, for one, would be happy to co-ordinate and pay for interview calls and things so it didn't put anyone out or cost anyone anything. There is considerable interest in Australia (which let's face it is about as far away from Detroit as you can get). I understand that first and foremost the event is for the people in Detroit and that's wonderful but getting people from overseas brings in revenue to the city. Also it may mean that newer talent gets exposure to international promoters who would then be happy to tour them.
RE: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
if they were booking dj's that move stuff forward. then, explain to me why gary chandler has two sets. i'm not dissing the mans skills, but tell me how booty music moves anything forward. In a message dated Sat, 27 May 2000 12:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rol leider [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. Cheers Rol Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
In a message dated 5/27/00 11:16:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I can honestly say I was thinking the same thing but how can one be really sure that the rest of detroit is moving on and alan/those not invited isn't? didn't some say awhile back on this list that there isn't really anything innovative coming out of detroit? isn't there a variety of styles coming out of detroit? if there is, shouldn't they all be represented. just because the rest of detroit isn't into what alan is making, does it mean it should be overlooked? they even have hip hop and ghetto tech covered, for christ's sake. i believe alan is one of few still representing this particular hard-rockin' the crowd-techno sound and if you heard Progress on Tresor Records you will know that he has touched other types of styles. i recommend that you stay tuned to what he is doing because the best has yet to come. all i'm saying is, since this was the first Detroit electronic music festival, wouldn't it be obvious to get all the real gunners out to represent? even if they can't make it for some reason, shouldn't they be asked anyway out of common courtesy and respect? there are indeed individuals out there who are also doing music, making strides, and continue to contribute to this detroit techno/electronic legacy besides the usual suspects. it definitely is a sad day that politics and not doing the right thing hinders what's obviously important which is to present ALL of what detroit has to offer to the global music community, right from the getgo. No Excuses! Now, for those who go to this without knowing too much or anything about detroit's musical contribution will not get a full representation. peace out. _g l y p h_ But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. --Dennis Miller
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks
In a message dated 27/05/00 3:20:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: n message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...) Dave Clarke was a hip-hop DJ before he turned to all things techno, and that'd definately explain his wikkid turntablesque skills of late. TTFN, -- Tom Lawton Whoa here, Wasn't it also Jeff Mills and Claude Young hip-hop DJs too before the techno onslaught? Also don't forget the association between electro of early Cybotron/ Model 500 with Afrika Bambatta. Its all intertwined. I remember the remote days of having fun with an old Japanese DJ friend who was really into hip hop and he showed me some of his ropes with the turntables. We ended up having nights where I'd spar with him, me playing Rob Hood and Ron Trent whilst he slapped on A Tribe Called Quest and La Funk Mob. What a blast! A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London(GMT)16.00-18.00
Re: [313] demf cancellations/ me neither - influences
as well - i didnt think that the roots and mos def were from the D? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
There's about 100 arguable, semi-ridiculous points in that original posting. The loudest one seems to be: if you've never heard Alan you really can't make all these subjective assumptions about what he does and doesn't play - even if you have snippets of quotes from Alan himself and the sounds of his production to go by. Never mind the fact that there are people (at least one person..) on the bill who *do* usually play proto-european mega banging techno. In fact, I think he's closing out the festival. However, like Alan, this person can play everythying and does play everything - extremely well. And they are both Detroit icons. The fact of the matter is that Alan has been around for a long time, and has been a positive contributor to Techno (let's leave out the geography for a moment) for an equally long time. We'll never know why he wasn't included in this particular DEMF unless Carl (or whomever) decides to come out and actually tell us. Good or bad, there could be dozens of reasons. Separately, be glad there is a DEMF at all. I realize many people around the world do have an idea of what it's been like there for the last 15 years, but unless you lived there, you'll never fully understand: this is virtually a miracle. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings' if they were booking dj's that move stuff forward. then, explain to me why gary chandler has two sets. i'm not dissing the mans skills, but tell me how booty music moves anything forward. In a message dated Sat, 27 May 2000 12:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rol leider [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. Cheers Rol
Re: [313] demf cancellations/ me neither - influences
as well - i didnt think that the roots and mos def were from the D? I don't think that was the point; they probably wanted to get a hip-hop audience in and those artists will appeal to hip-hop and electronic music audiences alike - The Roots have ventured into drum 'n' bass anyway. Aren't they down with 4 Hero too? Slum Village are from Detroit. Is their album out yet? Cheers C
Re: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
In a message dated 5/27/00 12:17:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 313@hyperreal.org Don't you think it's more politics than style? Miles
UR vs Sony (from dancesite.com)
Detroit techno warriors Underground Resistance have been vindicated for their decision to fight Sony when the major label tried to cover their underground anthem, Knights Of The The Jaguar last year, judging from the massive hype now accompanying the UR original. Carl Cox, Pete Tong and Jon Carter have all started tipping it as THE record of 2000, and even NME have jumped on the bandwagon, declaring it as this year's Ibiza anthem. UR themselves remain unaffected by the hype, writing on their website, For those who know, stay low, stay strong, stay ready, stay underground. For those who don't, learn. For those who stole the soul, live in fear as the spirits will track you into your next life and beyond. Nothing good will come to you.. . http://www.dancesite.com/news5.shtml
Laurent Hô = brother of Oliver Hô ?
Btw, anyone got a tracklist for Hô What a Ravy Day ! ? º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º http://members.tripod.co.uk/IloveGTA Please join my mailing list, forum and (if you have an Autechre website) webring Get my creations : MP3s, slideshows, etc. Adherez à ma liste de diffusion, forum et (si vous avez un site portant sur Autechre) webring Téléchargez mes creations (MP3s, etc.) Pone Ud en mi lista de difusion, forum y (si tiene un sitio sobre Autechre) webring Telecarga mi creationes (MP3s, etc.) º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º¤o¤º°`°º
RE: [313] Slam in the Park
that is another good point. i went to a show in Chicago 2 years ago that Rolando and Kevin Saunderson were booked for. I asked Rolando if he rememberd that show, and he said he did. told me about all the fire breathers and freaks running around on this big 30 ft platform. (which i have pictures of) then he told me that the promoter for the party got mixed up and never sent him a plane ticket. so at like noon that day Rolando called up the promoter and told him that he was on his way. and proceded to drive all the way from detroit to chicago just to spin at a party for an hour. now thats sticking to your guns. it wouldn't have been his fault if he hadn't shown up. i wonder how many other DJ's would have made that drive. jeff -Original Message- From: Tom Lawton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:07 AM To: FC3 Richards; 313 Detroit Techno Mailing List Subject: Re: [313] Slam in the Park In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: derrick would win that one hands down...ok maybe not...i think it would depend on who brings out the better tracks that night. they are equally good dj's jeff It'd also depend if Derrick manages to turn up. He's getting a reputation for not turning up in Scotland (So I Here). ;) TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous
NYC (deep minimal techno)
Friday, June 2nd Lineup: Archetype Live PA (Black Nation) Silver (temple records, electrobunker cologne) Don Rainwater (Toshok Labs, rkk) Dan Balis (brique rouge) 56 Walker st. (2 blocks S. of Canal between Broadway and Church) cover $10 10pm until ..
RE: [313] DEMF 'Hurt Feelings'
There is no justification for not including in this festival someone who has played such a huge role in the history of electronic music in Detroit. Especially in light of some of the dj's booked. Politics suck and in this case they're robbing the festival attendees of a chance to see this great producer and dj. Everyone I know is suprised and semi-stupified that he was not asked to participate. Like someone said in a previous post, only Carl knows why. Therefore, a further discussion on this is somewhat futile. Kevin At 04:15 PM 05/27/2000 GMT, rol leider wrote: Alan I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. Cheers Rol Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf cancellations/ me neither - influences
as well - i didnt think that the roots and mos def were from the D? I don't think that was the point; they probably wanted to get a hip-hop audience in and those artists will appeal to hip-hop and electronic music audiences alike yes..thats true and i think it will help bring out the black audience that many fear will not be present at demf...unfortunately, im sure there are alot of willing hip hop acts from detroit that are being overlooked..it just doesnt seem that the need to outsource in detroit is necessary when it comes to hip hop.. ..peace.. lil' robbie .associated pressure. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
