(313) Mills on NSC
Anyone who heard this: Jeff Mills and NSC Records have teamed up to bring you this soon to be Techno classic: “TWILIGHT SCENARIO’’ here is another innovative masterpiece by the master “Wizard’’ himself. Recorded especially for NSC Records. TWILIGHT SCENARIO is NSC 9/10 with remixes by The Brown Brothers Tony Unsel Brown. from: http://www.nscrecords.net/ any soundclips or reviews? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
Thomas D. Cox, Jr wrote: my main point is this: limited releases purposely limited are elitist. i cant understand why something as populist as dance music should be elite. ive never been a supporter of limited releases, i think that everything should just be available to the people who want it so that the good feelings can be spread as far and wide as possible. limiting production does 2 things: it drives up the price of the music, and it limits who can deejay or listen to a certain song. well i can come up with an argument that proves quite the contrary: dunno how many of you record buying 313ers are dj-ing on a regular basis, but to those who do: what kind of records do you tend to play when playing out? are those the records that everyone and their mother is playing, or do you try to dig a bit deeper in your box, to present to the crowd songs they may not hear every night? second how many of you record buyers do dj at all? and for those who don't: how many other people besides yourself get to hear the records you own? my point is that most of the music discussed on this list hardly ever gets heard by anyone outside the usual suspects. by pressing limited copies, you might indirectly encourage dj's to play your music, whereby it does reach a bigger audience then just the people that normally buy your records. jurren _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
:) i love being called retarded! ab -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) artists vs. bootlegging you are all paranoid! your logic is retarded..and what paranoia, we're talking about something that's already happening.. jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
(313) space bump
So I dug out my DJ Bone Subject Detroit Volume Two mix today after having not listened to it in quite some time and Space Bump caught my ear. I tried looking up some information on it, and have found out very little. The artist is listed as Subject No. 1, so I'm guessing it's on Subject Detroit records, which makes me believe it's by DJ Bone. I can't find out any vinyl that's got the track on it, and discogs only lists the song on the mix cd. If anyone has any more info on this track, including where I'd be able to find it on vinyl, if it's possible, let me know. Thanks, -Andy
(313) Responsibility v. Courtesy
J.T. Apologies if this makes little sense, I'm a bit drunk. I fully agree with all that you said, and I only meant my 'a tad irresponsible' comment in regards to Moodymann particularly... in the sense that *his* bootlegs sell for such obscene amounts, and this is known so widely, and almost everything he's put out sells out, and so many people have bitched about the difficulty of getting his records before they sell out. While I totally agree this is in no way a reason to bootleg, and I totally agree that anyone who *really* wanted these records could have found a way to get the originals while they were in stores (except maybe Jeff who was on a boat ;), it seemed like an odd time to release strictly limited editions of music that is *so* in demand while that limitedness is clearly pissing so many people off. By 'a tad irresponsible' I just meant that a label should listen to their loyal audience, and the choice of that word in particular was overstated, and indeed a bit... irresponsible. ;) Again, I totally agree that a label is fully entitled to release as many copies as they want, but when we see things like the BOC record that goes for $500 and Moodymann records for $100 soon after release, you know it's time to press a few more copies - not that a label would have to, or even that they should, but it would be courteous, b/c risk is so small and it makes fans happy. To retract: I definitely should have said 'IMHO-discourteous', rather than 'irresponsible'. :) And I'm not trying to tell anyone how to run their shop, I just intended to mention a record-buying frustration that I feel is not entirely invalid. And just to reiterate, I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that given all of this, KDJ *may* have fully intended to do a repress (and it seems likely given the speed with which they hit stores post-bootleg), but he didn't even get the chance to do the re-release on his own terms b/c the thieves shortcutted that process. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) test
on 4/11/03 6:49 PM, jurren baars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas D. Cox, Jr wrote: my main point is this: limited releases purposely limited are elitist. i cant understand why something as populist as dance music should be elite. ive never been a supporter of limited releases, i think that everything should just be available to the people who want it so that the good feelings can be spread as far and wide as possible. limiting production does 2 things: it drives up the price of the music, and it limits who can deejay or listen to a certain song. well i can come up with an argument that proves quite the contrary: dunno how many of you record buying 313ers are dj-ing on a regular basis, but to those who do: what kind of records do you tend to play when playing out? Not many, it would be accurate to say the scene is about elitism, most people who buy this music are record collectors and not there are not very many clubs (in the US) who play or support quality techno djs/artist. In my opinion the elitist politics like on the 313 list are counter productive in generating a more wide scale interest in techno music. For example, just by observing record store stock list that I'm subscribed to (I do not have accesses to distributor stock list like many people here) I noticed there are a lot of 313 music from labels that do not get discussed here or posted for review by the mailing list administrator. As for your question above my answer is: No. I no longer spend even a small portion of my income on new music, because in my opinion the majority of new music is not worthy of purchase. It's just not very high on my priority list. If there was a way to supplement my income like a club residency to fund new music purchases I would buy more records such as the new Jeff Mills, music that sounds decent but I normally wouldn't buy. are those the records that everyone and their mother is playing, or do you try to dig a bit deeper in your box, to present to the crowd songs they may not hear every night? second how many of you record buyers do dj at all? and for those who don't: how many other people besides yourself get to hear the records you own? I buy music for myself because I enjoy listening to a great record. It's a form of entertainment, notice I said 'great' record not a decent or mediocre sounding record. my point is that most of the music discussed on this list hardly ever gets heard by anyone outside the usual suspects. I would agree with that assessment. by pressing limited copies, you might indirectly encourage dj's to play your music, whereby it does reach a bigger audience then just the people that normally buy your records. jurren Moodyman has the correct marketing plan behind his music by making it rare and limited, it increases the value of him as an artist and his music, the collectability of his records is one of the major reasons for his popularity. In my opinion and from what I observed the demand for his music is mostly based on hype, in fact I would suspect that the statement on U.R.'s web site about bootlegging a rare Moodyman record is part propaganda designed to boost the value of his records. =
Re: (313) test
In my opinion the elitist politics like on the 313 list are counter productive in generating a more wide scale interest in techno music. For example, just by observing record store stock list that I'm subscribed to (I do not have accesses to distributor stock list like many people here) I noticed there are a lot of 313 music from labels that do not get discussed here or posted for review by the mailing list administrator. Well, discuss it then! You don't have to wait for an admin to bring it up --- why should you? Keeping this information to yourself smacks of elitism in my book. -d
(313) buy electro? where?
i'm getting sick of paying shipping through online retailers, i see it as that money could be one more record, or in the case of nuloop 4 new records. (nuloop $30 to lansing! f#$@ that) I live in lansing. (some may know this?) and I'm looking for a record store to buy electro in the mid-mich area. (lansing, detroit, ann arbor, k-zoo, gr rapids, mt pleasent) I am willing to travel for a killer selection to cities like chicago or indie. i'm really not looking for: the electropunk/clash/euro sound (it is cool but i have a lot of records like this) i'm looking for the more raw sound of detroit. artists like ur, aux 88, keith tucker, ectomorph, ios, mia. in the europian catagory : a. rother, vath (contact era), kommando 6, bunker, the clone stuff that is not to poppy. to quote it up like a cheesie american movie. show me the dark stuff scotto lansing, mi.
(313) 3rd st. last night
gotta give some props to christian and mike for 2 great mixes. christian played a groovy, tightly mixed techno set and mike took me back with a few classics that made my night. thanks guys and i'll see you at the next one. jeremy
Re: (313) test
on 4/12/03 9:32 AM, Dan Sicko at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, discuss it then! You don't have to wait for an admin to bring it up --- why should you? Keeping this information to yourself smacks of elitism in my book. -d Good question, because I don't support a lot of the new 313 and related music these days. I guess I could cut and paste from a record stock list and say hey look at all the new 313 music you people are not discussing but that wouldn't seem right. In order for something like this to work someone who is familiar with all the new records being released from Detroit labels and what the distributors are shipping should post this info and not only the 313 label/ artist they like.
(313) movie soundtrack inquiry
I came across this b-raded movie on a Spanish channel called La Maquina De Matar, if the soundtrack was ever released please let me know. It fits in with the Italo-disco sound, like the Lynn drum. http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/lamaquinadematar.mp3 http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/lamaquinadematar2.mp3
