Re: (313) techno-house recommendations?

2003-05-20 Thread Benn Glazier
On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:28:46 -0500, spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 What your inquiring about seems pretty subjective and broad, sounds like
 your into the German tech house/ micro house sound like on
 Playhouse (check out Rework)/ Klang/ Ladomat, ect... go to the Hardwax
 record store web site
 http://www.hardwax.com/ and browse through their catalog.

Check out the Inhouse - Modern House Sounds From Deepest Germany
compilations.  There's been 3 so far, with tracks by Rework, Steve Bug,
Vincenzo, Lowtec and others, these are a great starter to that german
deep tech/house sound.


 



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Re: (313) techno-house recommendations?

2003-05-20 Thread Benn Glazier
On Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:14 -0500, spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 from the SG web site:
 
 Tracks: 
 *Sexuality (Ben Sims Hardgroove Remix)
 *Sexuality (Ben Sims Ingoma Remix)
 *Sexuality (Original 89 Mix)
 *Sexuality (Frankie Bones Remix)
 Description: Finally after a long wait, We deliver to you Blake
 Baxters
 classic Sexuality! The original is here along with 2 Pumping tribal
 techno
 remixes from Ben Sims 

Yay... Ben Sims remixes and they're tribal techno too. Just what we
needed. *groan*

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Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread wgha3501
where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the interview.


Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's
 thoughts on the interview.
 I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released these
 days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been expressing
 the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new techno releases.
 
 any other thoughts?
 
 MEK
 
 
 




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(313) Movement set times

2003-05-20 Thread Fred Heutte
Via the Metrotechno list, via some place where D. Plaslaiko
hangs out :)

http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=7522






(313) movement festival site updated

2003-05-20 Thread Bill Van Loo

The site now has the full schedule on it:

http://www.movementfestival.com/schedule/

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Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread ::\)
i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to
buy this months issue.

:)

-Joe

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 where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the
interview.


 Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's
  thoughts on the interview.
  I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released
these
  days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been
expressing
  the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new techno releases.
 
  any other thoughts?
 
  MEK
 
 
 




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Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread yussel
it actually won't come online at all. you want it, you buy it.

and please buy it. if they sell a lot of this issue, i'll get to write
more piece about good techno. ;)

btw: the interview with Richie Hawtin talking about the Music Institue is
online for free.


On Tue, 20 May 2003, ::) wrote:

 i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to
 buy this months issue.

 :)

 -Joe

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 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB


  where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the
 interview.
 
 
  Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's
   thoughts on the interview.
   I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released
 these
   days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been
 expressing
   the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new techno releases.
  
   any other thoughts?
  
   MEK
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread yussel
and there's also some 12 reviews by kevin saunderson online as well.

but BUY the darn issue =P





On Tue, 20 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it actually won't come online at all. you want it, you buy it.

 and please buy it. if they sell a lot of this issue, i'll get to write
 more piece about good techno. ;)

 btw: the interview with Richie Hawtin talking about the Music Institue is
 online for free.


 On Tue, 20 May 2003, ::) wrote:

  i would imagine you they wont put it online until next month as incentive to
  buy this months issue.
 
  :)
 
  -Joe
 
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB
 
 
   where can i read this, the urb site just has the cover but not the
  interview.
  
  
   Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's
thoughts on the interview.
I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released
  these
days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been
  expressing
the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new techno releases.
   
any other thoughts?
   
MEK
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
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(313) Jeff Mills Peel Session tracks

2003-05-20 Thread Güclüer, Hansi
Great to see a Dj Bone tracklist being compiled, although I don't have any 
additions at the moment.
But since Robin brought it up I thought I'd try again with the Mills Peel 
Session:
 
I don't know the trackier stuff well enough (I noticed there's loads of Mills' 
own tracks though, which is nice) so my contribution might be some tunes in the 
classics section:
 
Jeff Mills Time Machine (Tomorrow) + Martin Luther King 
Rhythim is Rhythim Strings of Life (Transmat) 
Reese  Santonio How To Play Our Music (KMS) 
R-Thyme R-Theme (Transmat) 
Inner City Good Life (KMS) 
Rhythim is Rhythim Move It (Transmat) 
Rhythim is Rhythim It Is What It Is (Transmat) 
??? piano + vibes-track ??? 
??? some jazzy stuff ??? 
??? latin thing ??? 
??? final orchestral thing ??? 
 
Thanks again Robin for recording! 



RE: (313) new 3 Chairs EP.

2003-05-20 Thread alex . bond

I finally got a chance to really sit down and really listen to this 12
and it's among their best work IMHO

I'm seconding Matts thoughts here. It's certainly my fave 3 chairs thing so
far - and one of the best records out in a little while. (mind you, there
was a shed load of good stuff last week).

The main track - 'All Over' sounds like it could be on Main Street records.
Deep electronic house - really nice. The first track on the flip reminds me
of Theo's 'ebonics' too.

Highly recommended. Just waiting for that album to drop..!
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Re: (313) new 3 Chairs EP.

2003-05-20 Thread Tom Churchill
 The main track - 'All Over' sounds like it could be on Main Street records.
 Deep electronic house - really nice.

Yeah, it sounds to me like it could have been released on Prescription eight
years ago - absolutely brilliant tracky house, can't wait to hear it on a
big system!

So did anyone else manage to snag the Moodymann 'private pressing' then? I
managed to order one from Smallfish before they sold out and got it last
Friday - it's pretty good, though not his best work ever.

I've been trying to work out where the Another dream, shattered vocals are
sampled from, it's definitely an old soul track I've heard Gilles Peterson
play but I can't think what it is - anyone else know?

Cheers,

Tom



Re: (313) new 3 Chairs EP.

2003-05-20 Thread alex . bond

I've been trying to work out where the Another dream, shattered vocals
are
sampled from, it's definitely an old soul track I've heard Gilles Peterson
play but I can't think what it is - anyone else know?

I agree with your comments re that track.

re the sample, I don't know I'm afraid.

However - someone told me a nice little story about that track, but I'm not
sure how true it is..
apparently, it's a live recording of a sound check before a gig somewhere
in the US.

But, like I say, thats only what someone told me

Alex
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Re: (313) new 3 Chairs EP.

2003-05-20 Thread alex . bond

my posts don't seem to be going through, apologies if this appears
twice.

I've been trying to work out where the Another dream, shattered vocals
are
sampled from, it's definitely an old soul track I've heard Gilles Peterson
play but I can't think what it is - anyone else know?

I agree with your comments re that track.

re the sample, I don't know I'm afraid.

However - someone told me a nice little story about that track, but I'm not
sure how true it is..
apparently, it's a live recording of a sound check before a gig somewhere
in the US.

But, like I say, thats only what someone told me

Alex

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(313) Interview

2003-05-20 Thread Martin
Hi 313,

Next month I'll be interviewing Dan Sicko, so if you've ever fancied asking
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Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread robin pinning

ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?

also could it be that many producers release infinished tracks so that
the idea can be completed by the dj? justa  thought.

that would explain the popularity of music such as Looped Bangers and the
minimal clicky house type stuff.

of course most djs aren't up to the task of completing the idea presented
by these tracks imo

cheers

robin...

I know it's been mentioned before but I was curious to other people's
thoughts on the interview.
I was struck by May saying he thought so many records being released
  these
days sound like unfinished thoughts - was dead on as I've been
  expressing
the same opinion lately in regard to much of the new techno releases.
   
any other thoughts?
   
MEK




(313) mills and bone tracklists

2003-05-20 Thread robin pinning

an attempt at tracklists for mills and bone radio 1 mixes have now been
added to my site (thanks hansi,remco,sean,maarten...and others)

http://people.man.ac.uk/~zzcgurp/extra

robin...



Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread Tom Churchill
 ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?

My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R,
Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you?

Cheers,

Tom



RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread Darren Longton (Marketing)
All Borders stores in the UK:

London  UK  120 Charing Cross Road
Brighton, East Sussex   UK  Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre
Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street
London  UK  203 Oxford Street
York  UK1-5 Davygate
Leeds UK94-96 Briggate
Chesire Oaks  UK#34 Coliseum Way
Bournemouth UK  Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue
Oxfordshire UK  1-12 Magdalen Street
Cambridge   UK  12-13 Market Street
Edinburgh, Scotland UK  Fort  Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road
Kingston-Upon-ThamesUK  6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay
Watford UK  Waterfields Retail Park, New Road
Islington, London UKUnit MSU1  MSU2, Parkfield Street
Stockport   UK  Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park
West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park
Leicester   UK  Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South
Bristol UK  Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton
Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road
Swansea UK  Unit 4  5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road
Swindon UK  

-Original Message-
From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB


 ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?

My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R,
Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you?

Cheers,

Tom



RE: (313) mills and bone tracklists

2003-05-20 Thread Güclüer, Hansi
Cool! 
 
Just a note: Time Machine is not the 1st track of the mix, more like the 
20th-30th, something  =). I only tried to id the last 3rd of the show, because 
those were the only tracks I knew...
 
/Hansi

-Original Message- 
From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: 313@hyperreal.org 
Cc: 
Subject: (313) mills and bone tracklists




an attempt at tracklists for mills and bone radio 1 mixes have now been
added to my site (thanks hansi,remco,sean,maarten...and others)

http://people.man.ac.uk/~zzcgurp/extra

robin...





RE: (313) mills and bone tracklists

2003-05-20 Thread robin pinning

 Cool!

 Just a note: Time Machine is not the 1st track of the mix, more like the 
 20th-30th, something  =). I only tried to id the last 3rd of the show, 
 because those were the only tracks I knew...

oh yeahjust fixed that

can anyone add to the tracklists?

cheers

robin...




Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread Klaas Jan Jongsma



All Borders stores in the UK:


From: Darren Longton (Marketing)

Yup... marketing :)))




London  UK  120 Charing Cross Road
Brighton, East Sussex   UK  Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre
Glasgow, Scotland UK98 Buchanan Street
London  UK  203 Oxford Street
York  UK1-5 Davygate
Leeds UK94-96 Briggate
Chesire Oaks  UK#34 Coliseum Way
Bournemouth UK  Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue
Oxfordshire UK  1-12 Magdalen Street
Cambridge   UK  12-13 Market Street
Edinburgh, Scotland UK  Fort  Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road
Kingston-Upon-ThamesUK  6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay
Watford UK  Waterfields Retail Park, New Road
Islington, London UKUnit MSU1  MSU2, Parkfield Street
Stockport   UK  Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park
West Thurrock UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park
Leicester   UK  Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South
Bristol UK  Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton
Speke UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road
Swansea UK  Unit 4  5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road
Swindon UK  

-Original Message-
From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB



ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?


My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R,
Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you?

Cheers,

Tom



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RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread robin pinning

thanks tom, rob and darren (how did you find that list, i thought my
googling skills were good :) )

there isn't one too close to me...will have to enlist one of my operatives
(hey rob! :) )

cheers guys

robin...

 All Borders stores in the UK:

 LondonUK  120 Charing Cross Road
 Brighton, East Sussex UK  Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre
 Glasgow, Scotland   UK98 Buchanan Street
 LondonUK  203 Oxford Street
 YorkUK1-5 Davygate
 Leeds   UK94-96 Briggate
 Chesire OaksUK#34 Coliseum Way
 Bournemouth   UK  Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue
 Oxfordshire   UK  1-12 Magdalen Street
 Cambridge UK  12-13 Market Street
 Edinburgh, Scotland   UK  Fort  Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road
 Kingston-Upon-Thames  UK  6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay
 Watford   UK  Waterfields Retail Park, New Road
 Islington, London   UKUnit MSU1  MSU2, Parkfield Street
 Stockport UK  Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park
 West Thurrock   UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park
 Leicester UK  Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South
 Bristol   UK  Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton
 Speke   UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road
 Swansea   UK  Unit 4  5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road
 Swindon   UK

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313
 Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB


  ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?

 My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R,
 Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you?

 Cheers,




(313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Grammenos, Peter

I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...

-Pete

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RE: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Ryan Snowden
Is that ha017?

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 14:41
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: (313) John Acquiviva



I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...

-Pete

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Re: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread robin pinning

 I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
 spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
 though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
 around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
 Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
 anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...

to me this is one of the main reasons for using this setup...if i was
producing my own stuff it'd be easy to integrate it straight into a dj
set too.

anyway, dunno about aquaviva so i dunno why i piped up :)

robin...



Re: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread FRED giannelli
on 5/20/03 9:40 AM, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
 spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
 though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
 around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
 Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
 anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...
 
 -Pete

Sorry I didn't make it down to NYC to do that gig.  The Kooky Scientist was
supposed to appear @ Tronic Treatment last night with John Acquaviva.  I was
supposed to pick John up in Springfield on Sunday and drive down together
but my broken front axle refused to magically repair itself.

Car repairs forced me to stay home.  At this time it is impossible to do any
gigs for free.  Tronic Treatment is one of those situations where they don't
have the budget to cover any transportation costs.  Sad really.  NYC is the
center of the universe yet has no budget to support a night like that.

I know that locally, the Phoenix Landing in Cambridge, MA gets a budget
together for a Wednesday club.  Tomorrow Bryan Zentz is in town.

FYI, John does do editing of tracks which he then plays on Final Scratch.

telepathic regards,
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RE: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Grammenos, Peter

TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA  

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:43 AM
To: Grammenos, Peter; '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: RE: (313) John Acquiviva


Is that ha017?

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 14:41
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: (313) John Acquiviva



I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...

-Pete

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Goldman Sachs  Co. 
Tel : 212.902.2446 
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RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread Odeluga, Ken
also could it be that many producers release infinished tracks so that
the idea can be completed by the dj? justa  thought.

I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt going
up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically at
all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might disagree.

That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma:

On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* it's
very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; structurally;
production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add
almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right context*.
The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work - I
mean basically, during the era in which he did his only non-collaborative
work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a while ago)
electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more
politely, 'minimal'.

And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some productions
being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with other
tracks ...

However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite
patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where minimal
becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a display of
a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent.

It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when he made
that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 months
I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and coming from
everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc etc
too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if you want
to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack - that
being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to ten years
ago. (mho.)

k


RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread Darren Longton (Marketing)
Well I kinda cheated..I work at the corp office here in Ann Arbor;)   

-Original Message-
From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Darren Longton (Marketing)
Cc: Tom Churchill; 313
Subject: RE: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB



thanks tom, rob and darren (how did you find that list, i thought my
googling skills were good :) )

there isn't one too close to me...will have to enlist one of my operatives
(hey rob! :) )

cheers guys

robin...

 All Borders stores in the UK:

 LondonUK  120 Charing Cross Road
 Brighton, East Sussex UK  Unit MSU6, Churchill Square Shopping Centre
 Glasgow, Scotland   UK98 Buchanan Street
 LondonUK  203 Oxford Street
 YorkUK1-5 Davygate
 Leeds   UK94-96 Briggate
 Chesire OaksUK#34 Coliseum Way
 Bournemouth   UK  Unit 1-2, The Square, 4-21 Bourne Avenue
 Oxfordshire   UK  1-12 Magdalen Street
 Cambridge UK  12-13 Market Street
 Edinburgh, Scotland   UK  Fort  Kinnaird, Newcraighall Road
 Kingston-Upon-Thames  UK  6-9 Market Pleace, Charter Quay
 Watford   UK  Waterfields Retail Park, New Road
 Islington, London   UKUnit MSU1  MSU2, Parkfield Street
 Stockport UK  Unit 1B, Peel Retail Park
 West Thurrock   UKUnit 3, Lakeside Retail Park
 Leicester UK  Grove Farm Triangle, Narborough Road South
 Bristol   UK  Clifton Promenade, 48-56 Queens Road, Clifton
 Speke   UKUnit L2, New Mersey Retail Park, Speke Road
 Swansea   UK  Unit 4  5, Pac Fforestfach, Pontradulais Road
 Swindon   UK

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:22 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313
 Subject: Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB


  ok, can anyone point me to a vendor that sells URB in the uk?

 My local Borders always stocks it (along with other US mags like XLR8R,
 Grooves, BPM Culture etc) - is there a branch of Borders near you?

 Cheers,




RE: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Darren Longton (Marketing)
I know the man has skillz for days...

Probably tho...richie definiitely does that, so I assume he's done it too.

-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:41 AM
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: (313) John Acquiviva



I take back what I said, I now see why the detroiters like him so much. He
spun a few hours last night (1-4) @ tronic and banged it out, with some funk
though. There was no stopping him, not even Christian Smith getting there
around 3 to spin ;)  I especially liked when he dropped Purists Kill
Techno, except that it sounded slightly different from my version. Does
anyone know if John edits the tracks he plays? He was on final scratch...

-Pete

--- 
Peter Grammenos 
Goldman Sachs  Co. 
Tel : 212.902.2446 
--- 




(313) Re: movement festival site updated

2003-05-20 Thread Greg Earle
 The site now has the full schedule on it:
 
   http://www.movementfestival.com/schedule/

Oh man.  I gotta leave Rolando in mid-set to see ESG?  They're gonna repo
my UR bag, I just know it ... *sniff*

- Greg (We need human cloning, and soon)




Re: (313) Re: movement festival site updated

2003-05-20 Thread marsel

i see Dj Break is performing many times on different stages

who's he?

(she?)


answers










;-)



Re: (313) Re: movement festival site updated

2003-05-20 Thread Klaas Jan Jongsma


On dinsdag, mei 20, 2003, at 17:02 Europe/Amsterdam, Greg Earle wrote:


The site now has the full schedule on it:

http://www.movementfestival.com/schedule/


Oh man.  I gotta leave Rolando in mid-set to see ESG?  They're gonna 
repo

my UR bag, I just know it ... *sniff*


Also removed from the list are Blaze and Aril Brikha (and Richie Hawtin 
but he has been removed from the schedule a while ago) and new on the 
list are Dan Bell and Godfather...




- Greg (We need human cloning, and soon)



[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Kent williams
Speaking of live PAs -- book Tony.  He bangs it!  Some of my favorite
Rotation nights in Iowa City came courtesy of the Hidden Agenda crew.
Who could ever forget Dietrich Schoenemann jumping the curb into someone's
front yard in a rented Subaru Outback?

Oh, and they play good techno too!

On Tue, 20 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:

 TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA




RE: (313) new 3 Chairs EP.

2003-05-20 Thread Matthew MacQueen
 The main track - 'All Over' sounds like it could be on 
 Main Street records.

You know I was thinking the same thing!  BTW - Isn't a Maurizio + Theo
house collaboration track due by now.  DID YOU HEAR THAT OVER THERE,
HARDWAX ?  ;)

Peace,
Matt MacQueen


Re: (313) Re: movement festival site updated

2003-05-20 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

I think Blaze is in the studio right now - a friend of mine was going to
bring Kevin Hedge to perform at a party around this time but his recording
schedule didn't allow for it.

MEK




   
  Klaas Jan Jongsma 
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org 

  .nl cc:  
   
   Subject:  Re: (313) Re: movement 
festival site updated  
  05/20/03 10:21 AM 
   

   

   





On dinsdag, mei 20, 2003, at 17:02 Europe/Amsterdam, Greg Earle wrote:

 The site now has the full schedule on it:

   http://www.movementfestival.com/schedule/

 Oh man.  I gotta leave Rolando in mid-set to see ESG?  They're gonna
 repo
 my UR bag, I just know it ... *sniff*

Also removed from the list are Blaze and Aril Brikha (and Richie Hawtin
but he has been removed from the schedule a while ago) and new on the
list are Dan Bell and Godfather...


- Greg (We need human cloning, and soon)


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- order now: the official technotourist guide to cloning -








(313) Movement sched. Blactronica?

2003-05-20 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
Sunday @ 7 - Movement Stage
Do they mean Blacktroniks?




Re: (313) mills and bone tracklists

2003-05-20 Thread Maarten Baute
 an attempt at tracklists for mills and bone radio 1 mixes have now been
 added to my site (thanks hansi,remco,sean,maarten...and others)

 http://people.man.ac.uk/~zzcgurp/extra

In the Bone mix:
18. Jeff Mills - Captivater (PM-002)

Must be:
18. Jeff Mills - Alarms (PM-002)

But to avoid confusion with the real alarms on purpose maker 05, people
call this track actually Masterpplan

so it actually must be
18. Jeff Mills - Masterplan (PM-002)

;-)

Cheers,
Maarten



Re: (313) mills and bone tracklists

2003-05-20 Thread Maarten Baute
14. Robert hood on minimal nation (?)

Must be:

14. Robert Hood - Museum (M-plant 015)

Cheers,
Maarten


Re: (313) Movement sched. Blactronica?

2003-05-20 Thread BADI

Hi...

seems to be some confusion with our namesake...and 
concept...although, we (blaktroniks) have been trying 
very hard to get booked for this event...we've had no 
success...

accept no imitations

b



(313) shattered dreams

2003-05-20 Thread Maarten Baute
My copy should be shipped next week...

But I now discovered a ? track from a theo parrish mix cd with the vocal
shattered in it and with MM´s voice in it... (laughing and talking, like
he always is).

Is it the same track? This is around 100bpm and ultra deep! I really like
this track man!!
I would play this nite and day, nite and day (gil scott-heron).

Enlighten me Tom or Paul.

It´s 37:15 far in his eclectic aesthetic part 1 mix.

Theo also did an untitled track in the same mix, wich is very deep and very
loud on the bass sometimes.
BAMBAM  BM!

A kick sounds twice as hard when it´s done properly at 100bpm

Cheers,
Maarten

my musical interests
http://www.morthenkiang.com/



RE: (313) Movement sched. Blactronica?

2003-05-20 Thread BADI
either way...this is very dissappointing considering 
we (blaktroniks) have been releasing music and 
touring worldwide since 1997...all attempts to make 
friendly contact has been ignored



(313) time:space @ movement?

2003-05-20 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
isnt time:space the band that aril brikha played with way back 
when on his tour? could that be when he is playing? whats up with 
this? hes one of my favorite musicians, ive been trying to catch 
him live for years. 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   


Re: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread ::\)
johns playing at times square in detroit this sunday does anyone know
what the hell that is?

I've never even HEARD of times square in detroit.

:\


- Original Message - 
From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: (313) John Acquiviva


 Speaking of live PAs -- book Tony.  He bangs it!  Some of my favorite
 Rotation nights in Iowa City came courtesy of the Hidden Agenda crew.
 Who could ever forget Dietrich Schoenemann jumping the curb into someone's
 front yard in a rented Subaru Outback?

 Oh, and they play good techno too!

 On Tue, 20 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
 
  TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA
 




RE: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Dennis Donohue
Paxahau had an event there not too long ago (Times Square Detroit).  It's
normally one of those places where you have to lay down a credit card to get
a reserve booth, etc.  They usually don't play proper techno (that I know
of).

Dennis

-Original Message-
From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:06 PM
To: Kent williams; Grammenos, Peter
Cc: 'Ryan Snowden'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) John Acquiviva


johns playing at times square in detroit this sunday does anyone know
what the hell that is?

I've never even HEARD of times square in detroit.

:\


- Original Message - 
From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: (313) John Acquiviva


 Speaking of live PAs -- book Tony.  He bangs it!  Some of my favorite
 Rotation nights in Iowa City came courtesy of the Hidden Agenda crew.
 Who could ever forget Dietrich Schoenemann jumping the curb into someone's
 front yard in a rented Subaru Outback?

 Oh, and they play good techno too!

 On Tue, 20 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
 
  TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA
 




RE: (313) Movement sched. Blactronica?

2003-05-20 Thread Robert Taylor
Sorry to hear that.

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either way...this is very dissappointing considering 
we (blaktroniks) have been releasing music and 
touring worldwide since 1997...all attempts to make 
friendly contact has been ignored

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Re: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread Kookie
Its on times square street in Detroit.  I believe its a block away from the
Ramada Inn, where the last couple of Control Parties have been held.

http://www.timessquaredetroit.com/map1.html

theres a map
- Original Message - 
From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: (313) John Acquiviva


 johns playing at times square in detroit this sunday does anyone know
 what the hell that is?

 I've never even HEARD of times square in detroit.

 :\


 - Original Message - 
 From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:42 AM
 Subject: RE: (313) John Acquiviva


  Speaking of live PAs -- book Tony.  He bangs it!  Some of my favorite
  Rotation nights in Iowa City came courtesy of the Hidden Agenda crew.
  Who could ever forget Dietrich Schoenemann jumping the curb into
someone's
  front yard in a rented Subaru Outback?
 
  Oh, and they play good techno too!
 
  On Tue, 20 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
  
   TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA
  
 







Re: (313) John Acquiviva

2003-05-20 Thread ::\)
oh OK I know the place... thanks.

:)


- Original Message - 
From: Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: (313) John Acquiviva


 Its on times square street in Detroit.  I believe its a block away from
the
 Ramada Inn, where the last couple of Control Parties have been held.

 http://www.timessquaredetroit.com/map1.html

 theres a map
 - Original Message - 
 From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) John Acquiviva


  johns playing at times square in detroit this sunday does anyone
know
  what the hell that is?
 
  I've never even HEARD of times square in detroit.
 
  :\
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: 'Ryan Snowden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:42 AM
  Subject: RE: (313) John Acquiviva
 
 
   Speaking of live PAs -- book Tony.  He bangs it!  Some of my favorite
   Rotation nights in Iowa City came courtesy of the Hidden Agenda crew.
   Who could ever forget Dietrich Schoenemann jumping the curb into
 someone's
   front yard in a rented Subaru Outback?
  
   Oh, and they play good techno too!
  
   On Tue, 20 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote:
   
TONY ROHR  PURISTS KILL TECHNO  HIDDEN AGENDA
   
  
 
 
 





Re: (313) time:space @ movement?

2003-05-20 Thread Elephanthaus Records
Aril is playing live friday night at Forans

tb
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: (313) time:space @ movement?


 isnt time:space the band that aril brikha played with way back 
 when on his tour? could that be when he is playing? whats up with 
 this? hes one of my favorite musicians, ive been trying to catch 
 him live for years. 
 
 tom 
 
 
 andythepooh.com
 
 
  

 


RE: (313) time:space @ movement?

2003-05-20 Thread Grammenos, Peter

do you know what time ? i know todd is playing 10-12.

-p

-Original Message-
From: Elephanthaus Records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) time:space @ movement?


Aril is playing live friday night at Forans

tb
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: (313) time:space @ movement?


 isnt time:space the band that aril brikha played with way back 
 when on his tour? could that be when he is playing? whats up with 
 this? hes one of my favorite musicians, ive been trying to catch 
 him live for years. 
 
 tom 
 
 
 andythepooh.com
 
 
  

 


RE: (313) time:space @ movement?

2003-05-20 Thread Darren Longton (Marketing)
Yeah, can you input times if possible?

thanks,

BUMP IN THE NIGHT I Hosted by Bump Detroit
FORANS 612 Woodward Ave., Detroit
 *Tim Baker (Elephantus/Chicago - techno)
 *Aril Brikha (Transmat/Stockholm - techno)
 *Peko (TVO/Toronto - techno)
 *Todd Sines (Residual,Planet E/Detroit - live p.a.)
 *Takaaki (Tokyo - techno)
 *Visuals by http://www.avit.us
 -21+, 8pm-?, $10

-Original Message-
From: Elephanthaus Records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) time:space @ movement?


Aril is playing live friday night at Forans

tb
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: (313) time:space @ movement?


 isnt time:space the band that aril brikha played with way back 
 when on his tour? could that be when he is playing? whats up with 
 this? hes one of my favorite musicians, ive been trying to catch 
 him live for years. 
 
 tom 
 
 
 andythepooh.com
 
 
  

 


(313) Derrick May interview @ TechnoTourist.org

2003-05-20 Thread Hans Veneman
We've been kind of busy on the TechnoTourist.org site lately :)
Thanks to John we have yet another new interview online, this time with
Derrick May.

Check it out at the following URL:
http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=29

Or go to http://technotourist.org/ and follow the links.

I'm looking forward to seeing many of you again in a couple of days!

Btw, if you still have some additions and modifications for our
afterparties listing, please let us know ASAP!

Cheers,
Hans

-- 
Hans Veneman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://technotourist.org




Re: (313) Derrick May interview @ TechnoTourist.org

2003-05-20 Thread Maarten Baute
 We've been kind of busy on the TechnoTourist.org site lately :)
 Thanks to John we have yet another new interview online, this time with
 Derrick May.

 Check it out at the following URL:

http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=29

 Or go to http://technotourist.org/ and follow the links.

An really long interview, the way I like it!

Starts with a very funny note:
 I get a hold of Derrick while he's driving through Detroit. Immediately
the conversation gets interrupted. Derrick: Hold on second. I clearly hear
Derrick talking to a guy about his car: 'It's a demon on wheels. I'm not
getting rid of it, I'm collecting them.

Thanks John!
Maarten



Re: (313) techno-house recommendations?

2003-05-20 Thread spw
great suggestion, I'm not so much into the tech-house/ micro-house genre
anymore but compilations are more bang for your buck.

on 5/19/03 6:38 PM, Benn Glazier at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:28:46 -0500, spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 What your inquiring about seems pretty subjective and broad, sounds like
 your into the German tech house/ micro house sound like on
 Playhouse (check out Rework)/ Klang/ Ladomat, ect... go to the Hardwax
 record store web site
 http://www.hardwax.com/ and browse through their catalog.
 
 Check out the Inhouse - Modern House Sounds From Deepest Germany
 compilations.  There's been 3 so far, with tracks by Rework, Steve Bug,
 Vincenzo, Lowtec and others, these are a great starter to that german
 deep tech/house sound.



Re: (313) Derrick May interview @ TechnoTourist.org

2003-05-20 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
what an interview that was. it is definitely one of the most
revealing interviews ive ever read with a musician. 

tom


-- Original Message --
From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 20 May 2003 21:45:28 +0200

 We've been kind of busy on the TechnoTourist.org site lately :)
 Thanks to John we have yet another new interview online, this
time with
 Derrick May.

 Check it out at the following URL:

http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=29

 Or go to http://technotourist.org/ and follow the links.

An really long interview, the way I like it!

Starts with a very funny note:
 I get a hold of Derrick while he's driving through Detroit.
Immediately
the conversation gets interrupted. Derrick: Hold on second. I
clearly hear
Derrick talking to a guy about his car: 'It's a demon on wheels.
I'm not
getting rid of it, I'm collecting them.

Thanks John!
Maarten


 


andythepooh.com


 
   


Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread spw
First of all the original quote was not unfinished tracks that's someone
else's 
interpretation.
A finished track is what sounds complete to you, whether it be DJ Tools
oriented music, minimalism, or more traditional song structure music.

on 5/20/03 9:19 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 also could it be that many producers release infinished tracks so that
 the idea can be completed by the dj? justa  thought.
 
 I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt going
 up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically at
 all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might disagree.
 
 That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma:
 
 On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* it's
 very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; structurally;
 production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add
 almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right context*.
 The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work - I
 mean basically, during the era in which he did his only non-collaborative
 work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a while ago)
 electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more
 politely, 'minimal'.
 
 And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some productions
 being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with other
 tracks ...
 
 However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite
 patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where minimal
 becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a display of
 a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent.
 
 It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when he made
 that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 months
 I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and coming from
 everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc etc
 too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if you want
 to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack - that
 being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to ten years
 ago. (mho.)
 
 k



Re: (313) Atkins, Saunderson, May in URB

2003-05-20 Thread jake
derrick played killabite the last few times i saw him (to great effect) 
 so i dont think he means dj tools per say



On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 02:33  PM, spw wrote:

First of all the original quote was not unfinished tracks that's 
someone

else's
interpretation.
A finished track is what sounds complete to you, whether it be DJ Tools
oriented music, minimalism, or more traditional song structure music.

on 5/20/03 9:19 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

also could it be that many producers release infinished tracks so 
that

the idea can be completed by the dj? justa  thought.


I thought exactly the same thing Robin, although I was a bit wary abt 
going
up against the wisdom of May and Atkins - that's not meant ironically 
at
all. I respect them and their opinions 100%, although I might 
disagree.


That point is a difficult one. A bit of a dilemma:

On the one hand part of the attraction of the music we're into *is* 
it's
very 'imperfection' on any number of fronts, on sound quality; 
structurally;

production. Imperfections whether intentional or unintentional can add
almost a magical quality to a piece of music *heard in the right 
context*.
The same could especially be said (imho) about Derrick May's own work 
- I
mean basically, during the era in which he did his only 
non-collaborative
work (no offence intended in that, it's just a fact that it was a 
while ago)

electronic music sounded what could be called 'unfinished' or put more
politely, 'minimal'.

And then there is Robin's point about the sketchiness of some 
productions
being quite necessary if the music is going to be programmed with 
other

tracks ...

However, I can definitely see the point about some things being quite
patently thrown together (or seeming to be) and that point where 
minimal
becomes just downright lazy, unimaginative, or dare I say it - a 
display of

a *lack* of talent rather than display of talent.

It would be helpful though to know what tracks May had in mind when 
he made
that statement (but of course we never will), 'cause in the last 6 
months
I've heard a great deal of quality music coming from Detroit and 
coming from
everywhere. I've heard some mediocre house, techno, broken beat, etc 
etc
too, but not as much good stuff - which you do have to seek out if 
you want
to overwhelm what would seem like a stream (but not a deluge) of cack 
- that
being a crucial point! Nothing different in that today compared to 
ten years

ago. (mho.)

k