(313) Equinox 09-08-04 playlist/download
Here's the playlist, and link to download for today's Equinox episode. There won't be another one for a couple of weeks while I'm off frolicking in England! Enjoy! :) To download just click the link on the Equinox page - http://www.gerald-matrix.com/equinox.htm Cheers! 08-08-04 Artist - Title (Label) Dopplereffekt - Myon-Neutrino (Gigolo) Bandulu - Advirus (Foundation Soundworks) Mathias Schaffhauser - F!!k, Past Future (Ware) Wassermann - W.I.R. EP (Profan) James Ruskin - Time Place (Blueprint) Planet of Drums - #06 [DJ Slip remix] (Planet of Drums) Reese - Power Bass (Incognito) Sweet Reinhard - Motiv (Profan) Sikora - Praguish (Klang) Simulant - Out Of Ether EP (Scopex) Mas 2008 - Punished By Machines (Mikrolux) UR - Illuminator (Underground Resistance) Nitevision - 2110 (Synewave) Lenk - 444 (Hybrid) Dive - Under Attack (Pflichtkauf) UR - Predator (Underground Resistance) Equitek - Stylus Flight (RS) Surgeon - East Light EP (Dynamic Tension) Samuel L. Sessions - Centrafrique EP (Cycle) Murat - Data 002 (Data) Terence Fixmer - Rage (Gigolo) John Selway - Darling (Ultra) Jeff Mills - Time After Space (Music Man) Tanzmuzik - Wood Neckrace/Sineskai (Rising High) Profondo - Body Massage (Fourmusic) Los Hermanos - Quetzal (UR) Kirk DeGiorgio - Unruly (New Religion) Carl Craig - At Les [Russ Gabriel mix] (Planet E) Pom Pom - Oppression (Pom Pom) -- website: www.gerald-matrix.com contributor - kick magazine www.kickmagazine.ca host of 'equinox radio' on l'electrique @ www.netmusique.com
RE: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
-- Original Message -- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [EMAIL PROTECTED] How many of you actually use samples in your music. I'm just curious. i jack drum hits and thats it. no loops, just hits. ive ripped little tiny vocal bits before, but they were meant to be obvious. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
-- Original Message -- From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ofcourse, all this sampling causes a lot of noise in the background, wich is GREAT. That way, I don´t have to add a noise channel myself ;-) I like my stuff a bit dirty. i like it dirty too. i wanna hear this track of yours really badly. MP3s or STFU ; P tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Sampling
-- Original Message -- From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now the article linked earlier opens doors to claims like i know this guy sampled this sound from me and used fx on it - i mean anyone can claim that - it doesn't really matter if it's true or not but it can be used as a way to just sue anyone in the music business, and force them to waste money on stupid lawsuits etc, which would probably be the last nail on the coffin of small labels. unless the small label forced the artist to pay them back for the legal fees like sst did with negativland. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
it's illegal, but unenforceable. anyway, i like doing things that are illegal my country was founded by criminals. our de facto national anthem is about a sheep-stealing vagabond. our national hero is a bank robbing bushranger. i've always preferred an illegal warehouse party to a legal night in a club. i prefer illegal drugs to legal aclohol. this ruling just encourages me to make music. james www.jbucknell.com
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
Re: (313) Detroit Techno
On 8 Sep 2004, at 23:08, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: It's so simple... Detroit Techno = Kurzweil K2000 period :) yeah, i tend to agree, except that plenty of detroit techno came out before 1991... :) There was a promo release of that in 1990 Matt *LOL* Cheers Martin
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
this is like a right-wing fundamentalist approach to music, wicked...unique mix of hatred, bitterness, ignorance and misplaced optimismexquisitely stupid even. lovely! build your own instruments, invent your own musical notation, and come up with a unqiuely tuned scale while you're at it! stop taking the easy route and using others' creativity! then we will be great and successful artists hurrah hurrah!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 9, 2004 3:02 AM To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], do id [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
RE: (313) Emanon
I missed that for ages until this thread appeared about a a year ago.. -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2004 22:23 To: Matt MacQueen Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emanon Emanon appeared first on MS 15 as a nameless track (eman on = no name, backwards). Take your transmat 15 record, it is called the beginning. Look at the A side and you see 2 tracks... there you go. The mix on bio rhythms is a different one though, with some mad hihat-shuffeling going on. Cheers, Maarten
(313) Alan Oldham Books!
The brand-new art book, Product, Baby, Product: The Art of Alan D. Oldham is also out now at Cafepress, previewing artwork from Oldham's latest comic project, VECTRA. Oldham cult characters JOHNNY GAMBIT and ORIETTA ST. CLOUD are also represented. Order one today Alan is currently doing 8 new 12-inch jackets for UK label New Religion and has completed a new Miss Djax comic that hasn't seen print yet Speaking of Miss Djax, Oldham's very first Miss Djax comic from 1992 was reprinted in the CD booklet of her latest mix CD, Djax-It-Up If you'd like Alan to work his design magic on your record label/flyer/poster, etc., make contact at [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more info: www.alanoldham.com DJ, producer, illustrator, and now add published author to the canon. For those 313 heads who have been waiting for a new book on Detroit Techno, Alan's long-awaited autobiography, The Last DJ On Earth: My Life and Times in Detroit's Techno Underworld, will soon be released in a special, limited edition. From his beginnings as a radio personality in the late '80s at the dawn of Detroit Techno, to his eventual rise to global (semi-) fame as an international DJ, producer, label owner (Generator and Pure Sonik) and all-around artist, to his disillusionment with and ultimate departure from Detroit, Oldham pulls no punches as he tells his story in his own uncompromising words. The first-ever story from a true, inner-city Detroiter who was there from the beginning, and with a cast of characters that include some of the biggest techno names on the planet, The Last DJ is sure to spark discussion all over the world. Can you handle the truth? Over 200 pages, plus photos. More details to be announced Questions, comments, feedback: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
containing uncleared (but unrecognizable) samples. how on earth would they ever catch you? surely it's virtually impossible right? I don't see what this law changes that much. But then I always miss the point. No jokes today 313 I promise, although I do have a bit of a hangover. So might go a lil dizzy round about midday. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Emanon
(eman on = no name, backwards) ahh, thats what I like about here. you learn something everyday. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
my country was founded by criminals. our national hero is a bank robbing bushranger. our de facto national anthem is about a sheep-stealing vagabond Oh man. I'm loving it here already today. I've tried to point this out to several Aussies James. Only thing it ever got me was a black eye. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Emanon
Seems to be a thing with Detroiters and spelling backwards. Im sure Kenny Larkin has recorded as Yennek,nearly Kenny backwards. But cant remember the track. Anyone for anymore.. ? Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:00 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emanon (eman on = no name, backwards) ahh, thats what I like about here. you learn something everyday. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Emanon
Anyone for anymore.. ? hey 69 spells er, 69 backwards. god I'm good. ; ) or ross154 translates to ssor bum (or something) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Emanon
Chicago's DJ Nephets (Stephen to his mum) gets up to the same sorts of shenanigans, so I guess it spans the mid-west and isn't just restricted to Detroit! Brendan -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:05 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon Seems to be a thing with Detroiters and spelling backwards. Im sure Kenny Larkin has recorded as Yennek,nearly Kenny backwards. But cant remember the track. Anyone for anymore.. ? Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:00 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emanon (eman on = no name, backwards) ahh, thats what I like about here. you learn something everyday. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Emanon
i would say 69 becomes 96?
RE: (313) Emanon
alex bond backwards is aeohrraid labrev ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon Anyone for anymore.. ? hey 69 spells er, 69 backwards. god I'm good. ; ) or ross154 translates to ssor bum (or something) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Emanon
i would say 69 becomes 96? hmm. I was never that good at attention to detail. p.s. rob, it's bog gib ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Emanon
a to the r to the f ! Just looking at yesterdays messages. Seems like Alex had a quite day at the office : ) I got a quite morning today so plently of reading 313 and LD. Rav -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 11:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon alex bond backwards is aeohrraid labrev ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon Anyone for anymore.. ? hey 69 spells er, 69 backwards. god I'm good. ; ) or ross154 translates to ssor bum (or something) _
RE: (313) Emanon
Alex, Works if you stand on your head. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:19 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emanon i would say 69 becomes 96? hmm. I was never that good at attention to detail. p.s. rob, it's bog gib ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
the way i see it, there is nothing new to this judgement. every musical piece is subject to several rights. the composition of the music is protected by copyright / droit d'auteur; the text of the vocals is also protected by copyright / droit d'auteur (so you can have several copyright owners to one song); the musical performance (= the recording) is protected by (in the Netherlands it's called) Neighbouring rights, (i think it's what they refer to as mechanical copyright in the US). so in most cases the rights to the composition lie with the artist, where the neighbouring rights are with the production company (usually the label). using a one second sample, probably does not conflict with any rights to the composition. no matter how small the sample used though, it does make use of the original recording. so you are supposed to clear the sample with the owner of the neighbouring rights (the record company). now you can argue over the question whether or not the (recordings of) actual performance should be subject to protection, but as right now they are subject to protection, the owner to those rights should get compensation for the use by someone else. jurren _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
Whilst not wanting to to resurrect the 'sampling vs orginality' thread etc, let me throw this out there: It seems to me that in our little piece of musical endeavour (at least) samples tend to be used in such a way that you can't recognize them from the source material - or it's v. difficult to do so. Either because they're processed so much (i.e., speeding up/slowing down, granulated, filtered, distorted, phased, chorused etc, etc) so much, or because only an unrecognizeable fraction of the source is used - i.e., in order that the tone can be 'played' as it were, like an original instrument. In that instance, whilst the 'borrowed' sound might be the same, the notes it plays, the 'song', will be different. In these instance, copyright infringement becomes a very blurred question. I mean it would be like sueing someone for sampling bird sounds for instance, because, after those were processed in the same way, the connection remaining with the original material might be just as tenuous as say your original guitar riff. Mho. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
(313) The Face Magazine 1984
While I was in London, I walked past this shop and spotted an old face magazine from '84. It's the one where the cover is a mock-up of the streetsounds electro comps. Big feature issue on Electro, loads of interesting shizz. So I picked it up, only £2. Anyhow, the editorial informs me that in 1984 England's dancefloors were reverberating to the sound of techno-funk and it also refers to the fierce dancable beat going round the clubs. so, yeah, techno-funk in 1984. In England! nice. I always knew we were pioneers really ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
Is that the June 1984 one? I've got that book which has a big selection of Face articles on clubbing and dance music culture, and it includes a big electro article from 1984 by David Toop and Paul Rambali - I'm guessing you've got the original issue? Competition is fierce, reputations are waiting to be made or lost. The threat of 'pirates' or 'biters'... is always present. That book also has a fairly funny article about house, where a Face journalist, Sheryl Garratt, goes to visit Chicago and hangs around with Chip-E, Ron Hardy, Marshall Jefferson, Frankie Knuckles and co in 1986. She asks the question, what is house music?, and all hell breaks loose... House music? I couldn't even begin to tell you what house is. You have to go to the clubs and see how people react when they hear it. It's more like a feeling that runs through, like old-time religion in the way that people jus' get happy and screamin'. It's happening! It's... house! Let me see if I can put it better. It's more like eighties disco songs in eighties style. It's Chicago's own sound. 'cept it came from New York, and they don't know it. It's rock til you drop, that's what it is! It's a status symbol to party all night at the Music Box. Everybody goes there - all the hippest kids in the city! You'll leave there a changed person. You might go and seek religion afterwards! She ends up being impressed by the enthusiasm of the house scene's advocates, but not by the music. She describes Awww Shucks by saying it was made cheaply and somehow sounds even cheaper. But that, everyone tells me, is part of the appeal. This 1986 article on house ends with the journalist asking Chip-E how long they can keep doing it (house) before people get bored. He turns to her with a grin and says about twenty years... Brendan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 While I was in London, I walked past this shop and spotted an old face magazine from '84. It's the one where the cover is a mock-up of the streetsounds electro comps. Big feature issue on Electro, loads of interesting shizz. So I picked it up, only £2. Anyhow, the editorial informs me that in 1984 England's dancefloors were reverberating to the sound of techno-funk and it also refers to the fierce dancable beat going round the clubs. so, yeah, techno-funk in 1984. In England! nice. I always knew we were pioneers really ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
Hey Brendan. Is that the June 1984 one? Not 100% sure, it's at home I've got that book which has a big selection of Face articles on clubbing and dance music culture, and it includes a big electro article from 1984 by David Toop and Paul Rambali I recognise the name D.Toop, must be that article. I'm guessing you've got the original issue? Yeah, yeah! Pretty interesting reading, esp, for £2! There was record reviews in there of 2 records I've bought in the last 2 months as well! Some nice background info on some obscure pieces I got. I'd really really like to find that house one, cheers for that! Hey, this was in that little MVE at Notting Hill Gate that has CD's/Books/Mags. Maybe they might have one kicking about in there? Hey, if anyone from the list would like me to photocopy the interesting bits out of it and send them out, then hit me with a private mail and I shall do it tomorrow. Any more points of interest in the book Brendan? Any record reviews or anything? p.s. Brendan, if you've not checked it, I reckon you might find the book loves saves the day interesting. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
The new ruling basically says that samples of ANY length need to be licensed. So you could, for example, take a recording, and make notes out of single cycle samples, and it would be illegal. they already cant enforce the laws that exist today How many of you actually use samples in your music. I haven't since the mid nineties. I also often create synth parts that are variations on recognizable musical motifs One possible point here is that when you make music with most modern gear (digital synths, computers) the gear is simply playing back recordings. So unless you're recording acoustic instruments or true analogue synthesis you're using samples - even the analogue style digital gear will use a sample of a square wave or whatever rather than an oscillator. I guess since this was the purpose intended practically these samples are cleared but I'm no legal eagle so what exactly the position under this new ruling is I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to make the point that most modern music is made up of recycled bits and pieces. If they can't tell where it's from, they can't sue you, regardless of whether it's illegal. Pragmatically of course the threshold's always going to be if someone can recognise their intellectual property in someone else's work they may be in a position to pursue the matter - which I might say might not be all bad if only a thread yesterday hadn't had me on the Irdial site where they campaign for free music!
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
1986? 20 years? does that mean next year's the last of all this? I'm trying to calm my outrageous clubbing ways at present but perhaps I'd better make the most of it before it goes.
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how on earth would they ever catch you? surely it's virtually impossible right? Since so many people have been asking this: There is probably some watermarking algorithm that can be mixed with an audio signal. It would repeat a lot throughout a recording so it would even show up in a short sample. Potentially each watermark is unique so every time you buy a CD, its serial number is recorded with your name, and if unauthorized samples from that particular disc show up, you're in trouble! this is all paranoid rambling, but I know such algorithms exist for audio. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
I think it would be almost impossible to come up with a watermark for audio that couldn't easily be blurred beyond recognition by fx, granular sampling, changing bitrate etc ... I read an article somewhere citing that previous attempts at digital watermarking on audio have proved to be fairly easy to override - and that's when actually duplicating entire tracks, let alone mangling samples. Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how on earth would they ever catch you? surely it's virtually impossible right? Since so many people have been asking this: There is probably some watermarking algorithm that can be mixed with an audio signal. It would repeat a lot throughout a recording so it would even show up in a short sample. Potentially each watermark is unique so every time you buy a CD, its serial number is recorded with your name, and if unauthorized samples from that particular disc show up, you're in trouble! this is all paranoid rambling, but I know such algorithms exist for audio. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ sImon Pascoe BSD BIX ___
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:05:55 -0400, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how on earth would they ever catch you? surely it's virtually impossible right? Since so many people have been asking this: There is probably some watermarking algorithm that can be mixed with an audio signal. It would repeat a lot throughout a recording so it would even show up in a short sample. Not a chance. Unless you have Flavor Flav muttering 'all rights reserved, bwoy' all through the track, any digital watermark would be rinsed out by converting to analog and back again. Or going through a low pass filter or a compressor. That's been the essential problem with digital rights management with digital music files -- if you can play it, you can remove the copy protection.
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
stick with vinyl sources - you get all that dirt and grime in there too MEK Matt Kane's Brain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal 09/09/2004 06:05 AM On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how on earth would they ever catch you? surely it's virtually impossible right? Since so many people have been asking this: There is probably some watermarking algorithm that can be mixed with an audio signal. It would repeat a lot throughout a recording so it would even show up in a short sample. Potentially each watermark is unique so every time you buy a CD, its serial number is recorded with your name, and if unauthorized samples from that particular disc show up, you're in trouble! this is all paranoid rambling, but I know such algorithms exist for audio. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
-- Original Message -- From: Pascoe Mr S M [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it would be almost impossible to come up with a watermark for audio that couldn't easily be blurred beyond recognition by fx, granular sampling, changing bitrate etc ... I read an article somewhere citing that previous attempts at digital watermarking on audio have proved to be fairly easy to override - and that's when actually duplicating entire tracks, let alone mangling samples. why would someone be sampling from CD anyway?!?!?! thats what they made records for for the last X amount of years. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed whats it like being green with warts living under a bridge? tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed ha! I missed this comment! Surely you're not suggesting for example that, say, Carl Craig is not creative? He doesn't do that much with his samples. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
just following on from this topic, I found an interview with David Toop. (the writer of said electro article from '84) http://www.djhistory.com/books/archiveInterviewDisplay.php?interview_id=34 enjoy! also, the other interviews on that site are EXCELLENT _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) Toronto Canada
Hello. After help. Mr Nick Hardie, formerly of this list (and Liverpool) (does t-funk with Scott). Is working in Canada, Toronto to be precise, and was wondering if anyone knew of any clubs or what have you? Even better, maybe a link to a city listings guide? Can anyone help? His email is cc'd here, if you could hit him up privately that would be great. Thanks in advance Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
I had a copy of 'jockey slut' from 1987 when it had rhythim is rhythim the dance just came out 'all rather weird sounding, almost as if it had been played on a succession of drains' was the review made me laugh took me 2 years to actually buy the record tho. p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 11:12 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986) Hey Brendan. Is that the June 1984 one? Not 100% sure, it's at home I've got that book which has a big selection of Face articles on clubbing and dance music culture, and it includes a big electro article from 1984 by David Toop and Paul Rambali I recognise the name D.Toop, must be that article. I'm guessing you've got the original issue? Yeah, yeah! Pretty interesting reading, esp, for £2! There was record reviews in there of 2 records I've bought in the last 2 months as well! Some nice background info on some obscure pieces I got. I'd really really like to find that house one, cheers for that! Hey, this was in that little MVE at Notting Hill Gate that has CD's/Books/Mags. Maybe they might have one kicking about in there? Hey, if anyone from the list would like me to photocopy the interesting bits out of it and send them out, then hit me with a private mail and I shall do it tomorrow. Any more points of interest in the book Brendan? Any record reviews or anything? p.s. Brendan, if you've not checked it, I reckon you might find the book loves saves the day interesting. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
I had a copy of 'jockey slut' from 1987 not the jockey slut that just went bust though no? didn't know there was another one... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
There wasn't another one - it started off as a fanzine - I remember buying it in clothes shops in Leeds in the early 90s -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:57 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986) I had a copy of 'jockey slut' from 1987 not the jockey slut that just went bust though no? didn't know there was another one... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
There wasn't another one - it started off as a fanzine - I remember buying it in clothes shops in Leeds in the early 90s I know, but I'm relatively sure it wasn't going in '87. maybe I'm wrong tho' Paul Placid said it was called Jocks then, but I don't reckon it was johnno and paul, I don't even think they were in Manchester by this time. I think this is a different one... Might be wrong like. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
trouser press? ;) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986) There wasn't another one - it started off as a fanzine - I remember buying it in clothes shops in Leeds in the early 90s -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:57 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986) I had a copy of 'jockey slut' from 1987 not the jockey slut that just went bust though no? didn't know there was another one... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
87 does seem way too early -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:05 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986) There wasn't another one - it started off as a fanzine - I remember buying it in clothes shops in Leeds in the early 90s I know, but I'm relatively sure it wasn't going in '87. maybe I'm wrong tho' Paul Placid said it was called Jocks then, but I don't reckon it was johnno and paul, I don't even think they were in Manchester by this time. I think this is a different one... Might be wrong like. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
87 does seem way too early It is I think. Paul, Have a look for us if you know where it is Ta! Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) The Face Magazine 1984
On Sep 9, 2004, at 4:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the one where the cover is a mock-up of the streetsounds electro comps. i think i might have this issue, found it in a pile at a garage sale... is the cover article called New Fresh Electro or something like that? I was going to scan some of it in for 313... i think there was a bit on Cybotron?? it was priceless for the clothing ads alone... parachute pants, yeah boyee peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
RE: (313) Emanon
Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seems to be a thing with Detroiters and spelling backwards. Im sure Kenny Larkin has recorded as Yennek,nearly Kenny backwards. But cant remember the track. Anyone for anymore.. ? there's one or two records by claude young on utensil i think, credited to : david gnuoy _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
well said, J.T. I knew somebody else on the list would voice my opinion before I got a chance. The granularity in today's music production software such as Ableton and Cubase, coupled with both software and outboard hardware effects and processing, can easily alter a short sample of a song far beyond the point of recognition to the producer of the original work. In my opinion it's really no different than using a synthesizer as a sound creation source -- instead of starting with a sound from a produced work, you're using an oscillator or a preset designed by a Korg or Waldorf engineer as a starting point. Producers -- whether using samples as a foundation or not -- are limited only by their imagination and production skills. I suspect most good producers use a combination of these approaches - and I would bet that all of us have music in our collections that is sample-based but disguised so well we're not even aware of it, even if we are familiar with the original work. - jobot - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:45 am Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal this is like a right-wing fundamentalist approach to music, wicked...unique mix of hatred, bitterness, ignorance and misplaced optimismexquisitely stupid even. lovely! build your own instruments, invent your own musical notation, and come up with a unqiuely tuned scale while you're at it! stop taking the easy route and using others' creativity! then we will be great and successful artists hurrah hurrah!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 9, 2004 3:02 AM To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], do id [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
but it gets simpler than that. it's basic audio theory. a sample can have unique qualities (as it can be chopped, reversed, etc -- you have the ability to deconstruct and alter envelopes that is impossible with real playing -- it's a recording) that can not be performed by any other instrument. it's not necessarily an imitation or substitution for the real playing being sampled, the sample is the thing itself. thus a sampler is an instrument in it's own right. doesn't really matter if you can recognize a sample or not. i think it was more appropriate when courts decided how (in)appropraitely one work borrows directly from another via samples. art is subjective afterall. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 9, 2004 12:53 PM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], do id [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal well said, J.T. I knew somebody else on the list would voice my opinion before I got a chance. The granularity in today's music production software such as Ableton and Cubase, coupled with both software and outboard hardware effects and processing, can easily alter a short sample of a song far beyond the point of recognition to the producer of the original work. In my opinion it's really no different than using a synthesizer as a sound creation source -- instead of starting with a sound from a produced work, you're using an oscillator or a preset designed by a Korg or Waldorf engineer as a starting point. Producers -- whether using samples as a foundation or not -- are limited only by their imagination and production skills. I suspect most good producers use a combination of these approaches - and I would bet that all of us have music in our collections that is sample-based but disguised so well we're not even aware of it, even if we are familiar with the original work. - jobot - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:45 am Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal this is like a right-wing fundamentalist approach to music, wicked...unique mix of hatred, bitterness, ignorance and misplaced optimismexquisitely stupid even. lovely! build your own instruments, invent your own musical notation, and come up with a unqiuely tuned scale while you're at it! stop taking the easy route and using others' creativity! then we will be great and successful artists hurrah hurrah!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 9, 2004 3:02 AM To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], do id [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
RE: (313) Emanon
anagrams are popular too. Nico Awsventin is almost Vince Watson, guess who produced it? :) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:14 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon Chicago's DJ Nephets (Stephen to his mum) gets up to the same sorts of shenanigans, so I guess it spans the mid-west and isn't just restricted to Detroit! Brendan -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:05 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emanon Seems to be a thing with Detroiters and spelling backwards. Im sure Kenny Larkin has recorded as Yennek,nearly Kenny backwards. But cant remember the track. Anyone for anymore.. ? Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2004 10:00 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emanon (eman on = no name, backwards) ahh, thats what I like about here. you learn something everyday. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) Moog documentary screenings
MOOG the new feature-length documentary film directed by Hans Fjellestad, releases on September 24th. It is currently scheduled for dates in the following cities: New York, NY - Cinema Village, opens September 24 Seattle, WA - Northwest Film Forum- opens September 24 Bergen, Norway - Ekko Festival- September 30- October 3 Portland, OR - Clinton Street Theater- opens October 1 Minneapolis, MN - Sound Unseen Festival- October 2-10 Dublin, Ireland - Dublin Electronic Arts Festival-October 20 Barcelona, Spain- In-Edit Documentary Festival-October 23 Asheville, NC - Asheville Film Festival-November 4-7 Sheffield, England-Sheffield Intl. Documentary Festival-November 8-14 Austin, TX - Alamo Theatre opens November 24 London, England - The Wire Festival- December 8-10 More locations are being added every day. To view the schedule and find out if the movie will be playing in your town, check out Plexifilm's website MOOG, a collaboration of director Fjellestad and Producer Ryan Page, is described as a stylized, wonderfully strange story of a true American maverick. 'The film focuses on Bob Moog's role as synthesizer pioneer while exploring his collaborations with musicians over the years, and his ideas on creativity, design, interactivity and spirituality.
Re: (313) The Face Magazine 1984 (and 1986)
On Sep 9, 2004, at 9:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just following on from this topic, I found an interview with David Toop. (the writer of said electro article from '84) I may have deleted it but I think someone just mentioned the book that compiles some articles from The Face. It's pretty interesting, if you're into reading things like Techno Rebels and Last Night a DJ and Love Saves The Day, then check it out.. there is the infamous one (I think by Stuart Cosgrove) about Detroit's 'holy trinity'. It's a collection of many different articles thought, not a book with central premise. Still, some funny stuff. more info http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/flux/literati/fever.html i've always loved that cover photo -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
