(313) More on Utah bust
hey for the best resource on this check out this site music vs. guns http://music-versus-guns.org/ interesting tom
RE: (313) Cybotron question
don't complain about discogs not having an entry for a record - it's a group project, and on ongoing project. you coulkd try adding the release yourself. james www.jbucknell.com Sakari Karipuro sakari.karipuro@ kotiposti.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 23/08/05 08:44 PM cc Subject RE: (313) Cybotron question Discogs is fukt. Not even the original version of 'Clear' is in there! http://www.discogs.com/release/17859 ForwardSourceID:NT000220F2
RE: (313) Larry Heard Loosefingers LP out
i'm never going to close my current order from piccadilly - every day there's something more to add. yeah, larry! james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 25/08/05 08:09 PM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject RE: (313) Larry Heard Loosefingers LP out That's the one with the long title right?! What was it again?!?! It's called He Who Laughs Last, Laugh Laugh Laugh well, its not really, but i think thats a good name for the lp. however. this lp is simply titled Larry Heard Loosefingers according to piccadilly i'm going to try and steal one at lunch _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. ForwardSourceID:NT000221EA
Re: (313) RE: mayday mix - news on Jerry Lewis
i seem to remeber reading that it was about how there aren't any peeps out there that are going to come down and save us. existential type stuff - rely on yourself, don't dream of being saved/helped by others from another world. you could put in the same bag as jimmy cliff's the harder they come 'they tell me there's a pie up inthe sky waiting for me when i die...but when you're dead you're gone. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 25/08/05 09:30 PM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) RE: mayday mix - news on Jerry Lewis only retro questions ok. Why in 1985, did Juan Atkins famously say No UFO's, when, quite clearly there were UFO's, and certainly he was dreaming of UFO's? did he mean, no more UFO's, I cant take any more UFO's? or? what do you think? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. ForwardSourceID:NT0002
Re: (313) May's Mojo - where it gone?
That is harsh as he doesn't live like that at all. He's v frugal in some ways. That image is just a UK media creation. He plays abstract music when the setting is right. I think people in general make these bold statements about money without realising where the money goes - you assume people don't give money to families, or are not putting some aside for security (it's not like the US has a decent social security or free health care) in an industry where superannuation is non existent. They say the same things with Jeff Mills... These people still don't command the $ of the really big UK players of the 90s... Anyway, selling records is hard work and doesn't bring in that much money in the techno world, I doubt it would be able to support the superstar life style and the expensive cars etc. So he's probably best off sticking to DJing. I know this is harsh, but I still do really appreciate some of his classic tracks.
Re: (313) May's Mojo - where it gone?
He has a real nice unreleased song called Hand Over Hand from the early 90s that sounds v now. There is a vocal version but I have only heard the instrumental. I seem to remember in that very good article on Techno Tourist last year (?) he said it was legal issues which prevented him from releasing stuff until they're resolved. I could believe that, but I do wonder if they're other issues. The thing is though, until very recent years, Derrick May has in fact continued to produce throughout this so-called hiatus! Whether it's by way of collaboration, an unoffcial 'bootleg', or as a remixer. OK, I know it hasn't been ideal ...
Re: (313) OMAR-S,Oasis#14,FXHE RECORDINGS,12 sounding prettyfilthy.. gotone ordered....
.. i also didn't fancy most of the Omar-S' stuff until i heard this onesided release of U.. which absolutely opened my heart his musik. its kind of a purist thing, carrying this honest authenticity of a Detroit soul hardly to be found in these advanced times. and doesn't feel like being stuck in the past either. Z Chris O'Connor wrote: I love Detroit house as much as the next guy on this list, but I really do not see what I am missing with these records. Not hating, but I've heard sooo much about these records, and I can't seem to find what I am obviously missing. To his credit, I have heard some great tracks from him, but I am not feeling most of them. I can see collectors being all over the seemingly underground style hand written white labels, but that's not what I buy records. For the benefit of me and others on this list that may feel the same, please list the essential Omar-S releases that I need to hear to change my mind. Chris -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) OMAR-S,Oasis#14,FXHE RECORDINGS,12 sounding prettyfilthy.. gotone ordered So I listened to the clips on emporium and ...plase tell me it develops into more than what I hear. It's just a kick and bassline for most of the clip then some voco stuff comes in. does it get better? I'm asking because omar has in the past just let that loop run and called it a track (sometimes to great effect though. If that's the case with this track though, I'm gonna actually buy lunch today.
RE: (313) Cybotron question
I have to own up to this rather flip statement James. It wasn't Sakari. Maybe I will add the release. Discogs can be mighty frustrating at times though (despite the fact that we could barely live without it, imperfect as it is, when it was down!) K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 01:01 Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Cybotron question don't complain about discogs not having an entry for a record - it's a group project, and on ongoing project. you coulkd try adding the release yourself. james www.jbucknell.com Sakari Karipuro sakari.karipuro@ kotiposti.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 23/08/05 08:44 PM cc Subject RE: (313) Cybotron question Discogs is fukt. Not even the original version of 'Clear' is in there! http://www.discogs.com/release/17859 ForwardSourceID:NT000220F2
(313) UR live in France pictures online
Hi list! Just a short spam message to announce that we got a picture gallery online from the UR night at the Astropolis festival in France. There are some exclusive pictures of all the artists who preformed that night. A direct link: http://technotourist.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album55op=modloadname=Galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.php Or just go to http://technotourist.org and go from there. kj at technotourist dot org
(313) Stormtoopers
LONG LIVE THE EWOKS! Welcome back Magnus. :) So is Andre Brown a new addition to the Moving repertoire? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk - Original Message - From: dr.dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) RE: mayday mix - news on Jerry Lewis Jason - private answer on the way to your mailbox - :) howdy list ? some of you might like this (from the D): http://www.pranatronic.com/electric_eyes_are_watching.mp3 http://www.pranatronic.com/ soon m Wow! There's a blast from the past- how you doing Magnus!!!? cheers Jason On 25 Aug 2005, at 15:44, dr.dog wrote:
Re: (313) Utah rave busted by Anti terrorist swat team, czech tech 2?
Here's a direct link to the video: http://www.aymnetwork.com/files/video/utah_police_attack_partygoers.mov I know this is OT, even more so since they were playing this awful DB, but damn! This is appalling. Even the helmets remind me of Nazi Germany footage. And knowing they apparently had the proper permits. Talk about land of the free huh? On 25 Aug, 2005, at 9:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Police Raid Outdoor Music Event by Parker Pinette Monday August 22, 2005 at 04:30 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Numerous accounts from attendees of an outdoor electronic music event in Utah county indicate excessive force used by Sherrif and SWAT officers. A video has surfaced depicting officers dressed in full military fatigues raiding the main stage of the event. Local news stations side with police in initial reports. Attendees of the outdoor electronic music event dubbed Versus II taking place the evening of Saturday, August 20th in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon in Utah County arrived at the event with confidence that the concert organizers had obtained the proper permits and legal clearance to hold the event. Personal accounts available at the local electronic community websiteutrave.org paint a scene of police brutality and mayhem, many accounts bearing eyewitness to the forceful arrest of young girls. Reports state that at approximately 11:30pm upwards of 90 officers, many wearing full camouflage gear, gathered from Sherrif and SWAT departments in surrounding areas stormed the previously peaceful gathering dedicated to music and dance. At least 1 helicopter was dispatched, along with large tranport vehicles designated for both officers and detainees. Numerous statements from attendees indicate excessive force being exerted by many officers. Inuries including mild to severe bruises and cuts have been reported by party goers as young as age 17. The Utah County Sherrif's Office has expressed a long term vendetta against what they call Rave parties. Statements from the Sherrif's office as well as eyewitness accounts make it clear that this was a premeditated attack on the promoters and community supporting these events. While the Sherrif's office has stated that many drugs and pieces of paraphernalia were obtained, they fail to note how many of the 60+ citations were for drug violations. Many accounts indicate the majority of citations and arrests were for resisting arrest. The Sherrif's office states that the party was raided on the grounds of failure to obtain a mass gathering permit for an event hosting more than 250 attendees. Reports vary as to the number in attendance, estimation ranging from 250 to 1,400. Controversy exists as to whether a mass gathering permit was actually obtained, however, a Health Department permit was obtained, and hired security and emergency medical service personnel were on site. Many eyewitness accounts indicate that officers singled out party goers attempting to document the events on camcorders, cameras and camera phones. Victims have claimed that officers knocked cameras out of the hands of the owner, even confiscating some. Luckily, one video has surfaced, and is quickly spreading across the internet, as well as being featured by at least one local news station. The video clearly displays a large number of officers dressed in full camouflage fatigues, some brandishing rifles. In the higher quality version of the video, which includes sound, it is apparent that the use of a taser was employed. While the video is somewhat unclear at times, the viewer can plainly see an officer atop a young girl fully subdued on the ground on her stomach; he swings on her at least twice, as more officers rush forward to manhandle the girl. It is clear that many others were subdued using similar levels of force. Initial reports from local news stations side with the Sherrif's Office, one anchor calling the event a drug party without batting an eye. Reports tend to focus on the drugs and paraphernalia acquired by police, rather than the obvious violation of civil liberties reported by those in attendance and depicted by the amateur video, which has been provided to all major local news agencies. Surprisingly, the local Fox News affiliate Fox 13 seemed to give the most unbiased report, stating that many attendees had reported excessive force, as well as showing the official media response from the Utah County Sherrif's Office. Clips of the previously mentioned video were also shown. Other news agencies have gone along with the Sherrif's Office in painting a picture of drugs, guns, and sexual assault running rampant at electronic music events in general, and especially this one. KUTV Channel 2 News blatantly inferred that the hired security was merely in place to prevent the sale of drugs by anyone but the event organizers. All major reports restate the claim made by the Sherrif's department that a
Re: (313) OMAR-S,Oasis#14,FXHE RECORDINGS,12 sounding prettyfilthy.. gotone ordered....
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 02:28:40PM -0400, Chris O'Connor wrote: I love Detroit house as much as the next guy on this list, but I really do not see what I am missing with these records. Not hating, but I've heard sooo much about these records, and I can't seem to find what I am obviously missing. To his credit, I have heard some great tracks from him, but I am not feeling most of them. For the benefit of me and others on this list that may feel the same, please list the essential Omar-S releases that I need to hear to change my mind. Agree with you. Me thinks the raw-ness, low-fi-ness or the (apparent) under-production of Omar-S songs are qualities that attract most people. Personaly I only like the Oasis #1 and maybe that Omar-S track #8 and U. Thats all. The rest sounds quite average/standard for me. G
(313) RE: Stormtoopers
howdy list ? alright there old dog ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Re: May's Mojo - where it gone
He's v frugal in some ways i can vouch for this philski
Re: (313) Stormtoopers
thanks Tristan, how you doin ? and long live the international wok conspiracy too by the way ... did people here speak about star wars III or was it too rave-ish for 313 ? ;D Pranatronic, Andre Brown - no, pranatronic.com was just one of the pages with good music I found lately ... no contact so far, as we´re currently working on something else we have to finish in the next months for another label ... also some D-techno/house-artists involved :) will spam the list then :) but enough bout our own stuff for now ... I really want to know: when will we hear K1´s music in a Science-Fiction-Movie ? when will Marty Bonds make another 12 inch ? when will more people like mike b and mike g, marsel, martin d .. bundle the scenes in a powerfull way ... for the future of the music this list is dedicated to ? stuff like this ... but dunno if the list is ready for my bs-mind or if it´s even disturbing for the plain music-lover :) m LONG LIVE THE EWOKS! Welcome back Magnus. :) So is Andre Brown a new addition to the Moving repertoire? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk - Original Message - From: dr.dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) RE: mayday mix - news on Jerry Lewis Jason - private answer on the way to your mailbox - :) howdy list ? some of you might like this (from the D): http://www.pranatronic.com/electric_eyes_are_watching.mp3 http://www.pranatronic.com/ soon m Wow! There's a blast from the past- how you doing Magnus!!!? cheers Jason On 25 Aug 2005, at 15:44, dr.dog wrote:
(313) other tunes
apart from the pcp/ jerry lewis tune on planet e picked up that new muzique one five tracks of deeep chicago madness! raw jacking material - especially that track by saturn v ! as well, in the endless series, of remix bootleg double pack business first one with derrick may remixes
Re: (313) Stormtoopers
when will Marty Bonds make another 12 inch ? ooh, yeah, I wanna know too. and I miss Strand too, the world needs more Strand. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) other tunes
picked up that new muzique one five tracks of deeep chicago madness! raw jacking material - especially that track by saturn v ! ooh, whats this called marsel? do you remember that gherkin jerks track called saturn v? thats the bomb. as well, in the endless series, of remix bootleg double pack business first one with derrick may remixes grrr. pass me the petrol can. ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) other tunes
picked up that new muzique one five tracks of deeep chicago madness! raw jacking material - especially that track by saturn v ! ooh, whats this called marsel? don't bite alex - it's some money making scam marsel has going.. he has all the copies of this record, expect it to go for 'BIG MONEY' on ebay.. ;)
(313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best dj´s around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite dj´s are..get to see them often and don´t need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally as¨official¨, as the real people/party goers´ choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop dj´s that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJ´s if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, we´d like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names we´d like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJ´s in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php We´d also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RV´s www.retro-vert.com
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 12:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best dj´s around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite dj´s are..get to see them often and don´t need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally as¨official¨, as the real people/party goers´ choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop dj´s that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJ´s if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, we´d like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names we´d like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJ´s in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php We´d also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RV´s www.retro-vert.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
well yes and no, it would be nice to see those names in the top 100 than say ur lisa lashes or john 00 flemming in my opinion.. I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 12:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best dj´s around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite dj´s are..get to see them often and don´t need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally as¨official¨, as the real people/party goers´ choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop dj´s that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJ´s if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, we´d like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names we´d like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJ´s in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php We´d also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RV´s www.retro-vert.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # www.midnightbeats.de www.kube72.com www.detroitimpression.com
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? Yeah 'cheeky's a word which comes to mind. However, I feel some sympathy with attempts to knock off the Tiesto's and whatnots from their near-inevitable top spot.
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? well ... this kind of stuff surely can help as a promotion-tool for dj´s/artists and can help them with their business .. - these business-aspects might not seem important in music for you but we all (should) know how many of the most gifted artists stop making music, or make it very rarely cauze of this chain : they don´t get enough attention with what they do ... so not many people are paying them for their art ... therefore they have a difficult business-situation ... therefore they have to focus on normal jobs for surviving without music or have to change the music to more simple formulars ... how many of the most gifted can´t make the music they could give to the world, cauze they don´t have the time, cauze they have to focus on the other realities ? that´s why I think we probably all should vote there ? m I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 12:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best dj´s around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite dj´s are..get to see them often and don´t need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally as¨official¨, as the real people/party goers´ choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop dj´s that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJ´s if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, we´d like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names we´d like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJ´s in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php We´d also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RV´s www.retro-vert.com ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I thought it was quite a reasonable request actually, they asked nicely and it would indeed be nice to see old Dezzer or Carl at the top of the list instead of the usual suspects. In fact, I can feel my gorge rising just thinking about that pack of utter chunts! I voted, though not for any of the Retrovert peeps, but somehow I suspect that we won't be seeing Norm Talley's name climbing the rankings. A wasted vote perhaps? You wrote: I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, the= y will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway?
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
100 Top - according to what criteria?,... popularity. It's nothing to do with skill, it's a popularity contest. Do you really want to be the most popular dj in the world? I understand the frustration that some people think becuase tietso is number one he is the top (skill) dj in the world. The only possibility of a fair contest is if all voters had seen all djs. besides this kind of thing is ultra uncool :P Mike Robert Taylor wrote: I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 12:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best djs around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite djs are..get to see them often and dont need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally asofficial, as the real people/party goers choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop djs that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJs if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, wed like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names wed like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJs in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php Wed also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RVs www.retro-vert.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I totally agree, don't see it as cheeky at all. It would be nice to see some techno DJ's in the list (even though I think our votes wont make much difference.) I've placed my votes. Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org o.ukcc: Fax to: 26/08/05 14:21 Subject: RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I thought it was quite a reasonable request actually, they asked nicely and it would indeed be nice to see old Dezzer or Carl at the top of the list instead of the usual suspects. In fact, I can feel my gorge rising just thinking about that pack of utter chunts! I voted, though not for any of the Retrovert peeps, but somehow I suspect that we won't be seeing Norm Talley's name climbing the rankings. A wasted vote perhaps? You wrote: I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, the= y will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
So people like Rob are to blame for the 'Sing Along To Drexciya's Christmas Hits' Karaoke LP? You're a dead man Taylor! but we all (should) know how many of the most gifted artists stop making music, or make it very rarely cauze of this chain : they don=B4t get enough attention with what they do ... so not many people are paying them for their art ... therefore they have a difficult business-situation ... therefore they have to focus on normal jobs for surviving without =20 music or have to change the music to more simple formulars ...
(313) serious
I voted, though not for any of the Retrovert peeps, but somehow I suspect that we won't be seeing Norm Talley's name climbing the rankings. A wasted vote perhaps? would be an interesting experiment if all on this list would vote for him to see later if/where he pops up in those top 100 ? sorry for chatting too much ... soon m
Re: (313) serious
Sounds like an interesting experiment to me, why not eh? Has anyone voted using their actual email address? Just wondering if a confirmation email is required to cast your vote. I put in a false email because I don't really trust journalists (present company excepted). You wrote: I voted, though not for any of the Retrovert peeps, but somehow I suspect that we won't be seeing Norm Talley's name climbing the rankings. A wasted vote perhaps? would be an interesting experiment if all on this list would vote for him to see later if/where he pops up in those top 100 ? sorry for chatting too much ... soon m
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
It's tired old much debated cliched debate about whether 'underground' artists should court popularity and make tonnes of cash, or whether they should be happy to have a select appeal and do it for the love of it. I like my artists starving in garrets - it's what inspires the creative impulse ;) If I was to vote in this superfluous poll, I'd be voting for even more obscure DJs than Sims! -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 13:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) So people like Rob are to blame for the 'Sing Along To Drexciya's Christmas Hits' Karaoke LP? You're a dead man Taylor! but we all (should) know how many of the most gifted artists stop making music, or make it very rarely cauze of this chain : they don=B4t get enough attention with what they do ... so not many people are paying them for their art ... therefore they have a difficult business-situation ... therefore they have to focus on normal jobs for surviving without =20 music or have to change the music to more simple formulars ... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
You wrote: If I was to vote in this superfluous poll, I'd be voting for even more ob= scure DJs than Sims! That's the point though isn't it, that you can vote for whoever you like? I think Norm Talley is reasonably well placed in the obscurity stakes. One of the problems with starving creatives is that they also tend to be quite smelly.
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nope. I go to college, work full time, and have finished no less than 84 tracks this year.. if you have to get paid to make music worth it to you, don't make music. if you derive your creative motivations from the prospect of money or attention you're a hollow soul in my opinion. -Joe From: dr.dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 09:17:17 EDT To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? well ... this kind of stuff surely can help as a promotion-tool for dj´s/artists and can help them with their business .. - these business-aspects might not seem important in music for you but we all (should) know how many of the most gifted artists stop making music, or make it very rarely cauze of this chain : they don´t get enough attention with what they do ... so not many people are paying them for their art ... therefore they have a difficult business-situation ... therefore they have to focus on normal jobs for surviving without music or have to change the music to more simple formulars ... how many of the most gifted can´t make the music they could give to the world, cauze they don´t have the time, cauze they have to focus on the other realities ? that´s why I think we probably all should vote there ? m I think it's well cheeky of them to do that - if people want to vote, they will. And who cares about some sh!tty rag's top 100 anyway? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2005 12:50 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll) I'm forwarding a mail-out from the Retrovert mailing list. It's fairly self-explanatory. Would anyone consider voting? Ken Every year DJ magazine compiles a top 100 list of the supposed best dj´s around, yet it rarely features any techno at all. The top 100 may not seem important, you may not like DJ mag and you probably already know who your favourite dj´s are..get to see them often and don´t need to stroke their ego by voting for them. The reason it is important is that the list is seen globally as¨official¨, as the real people/party goers´ choice. By techno having little or no representation in the top 100 the profile of the trance and pop dj´s that make up most of the list just gets bigger while the techno scene keeps getting smaller, slipping further into obscurity. As the club scene continues to spread around the world it will forever be dominated by the same few select DJ´s if they are the only ones that are ever mentioned in the magazines. New scenes and new clubs will never get to hear about anything but the obvious names, and music styles like techno, electro, broken beat or electronica will simply never make it to new places or find new audiences to keep it alive. This year though, we´d like to turn things around: Instead of the media forever brainwashing the readers with the same old names we´d like to put techno firmly back on the map - and we can do so with your help. So please take out a couple of minutes of your time and try to get a few more deserving DJ´s in the top 100 this year: http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php We´d also, of course, like to suggest your support for our trusty residents... MARK BROOM PAUL MAC BEN SIMS Best wishes, the RV´s www.retro-vert.com ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
I'm with Rob on this issue. This top 100 is about as much relevance to the music I love as a poll in Hello or Heat magazine. DJ mag could quite happily go out of business and 99.9% of us wouldn't notice. robin... On 26 Aug 2005, at 15:40, Robert Taylor wrote: It's tired old much debated cliched debate about whether 'underground' artists should court popularity and make tonnes of cash, or whether they should be happy to have a select appeal and do it for the love of it. I like my artists starving in garrets - it's what inspires the creative impulse ;) If I was to vote in this superfluous poll, I'd be voting for even more obscure DJs than Sims!
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DJ mag could quite happily go out of business and 99.9% of us wouldn't notice. I agree that DJ is an abominable publication, but I used to enjoy reading Magic Feet or articles about Drexciya's 'The Quest' in Muzik. I'd like to see that kind of coverage in widely available magazines once again and to some small extent I think participating in this poll by pushing my own musical agenda is a step in that direction. Not holding my breath mind...
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
DJ mag could quite happily go out of business and 99.9% of us wouldn't notice. I agree that DJ is an abominable publication, but I used to enjoy reading Magic Feet or articles about Drexciya's 'The Quest' in Muzik. I'd like to see that kind of coverage in widely available magazines once again and to some small extent I think participating in this poll by pushing my own musical agenda is a step in that direction. Not holding my breath mind... Me too Dan. Thing is though we live in vastly different times both musically (techno and house are really niche types of music at the moment) and in terms of publishing (the web is where people read stuff now). Paper magazines are irrelevant now and as DJ mag has always been irrelevant that is makes it doubly so :). right. i should get on with what i'm meant to be doing :) robin...
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DJ mag could quite happily go out of business and 99.9% of us wouldn't notice. Well maybe guys like Richard Brophy would who does a pretty sterling job of reviewing and supporting techno in the mag. Hes reviewed pretty much all of my stuff there and I'm sure he gets a little frustrated at the lack of techno coverage the mag publishes. But at the end of the day its about selling mags and if they feel 99.9% of techno heads dont care about the mag then they aint gonna bother writing for them. Muzik and Jockey Slut have already fallen in the UK (the latter being quite a bit more respectable with the amount of good techno coverage they did) so there aint much space left in the media for techno artists to get any kind of headline, which is a shame I think. I remember guys like Fabrice Lig getting big interviews in the UK press when they were up and coming (if you can call doing an album for F-communications up and coming!) and Im sure it did them some good. Anyway yeah, I'm sure this top 100 list is gonna be full of the usual top names that help sell magazines and not reflect in any way, shape or form the actual talent that is really out there, but thats still no reason to not let them know that that they are out there. You never know, they might even allow Richard a full page for reviews again one day! In the meantime I'm off to buy Straight No Chaser Stu
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Agree that times are different. As you say, I get most of my info electronically, but I've been reading magazines again recently. Partly through digging out old copies of Straight No Chaser (re-read the UR cover story issue recently) and Grand Central, but have also been enjoying recent issues of Wax Poetics. As a result I've remembered that I prefer reading paper print to looking at a screen. Granted, these are marginal niche magazines, but I'm not convinced that it has to be like that. Maybe I'm just in a participatory and optimistic mood today ;) Paper magazines are irrelevant now and as DJ mag has always been irrelevant that is makes it doubly so :). right. i should get on with what i'm meant to be doing :)
Re: (313) What Do We Think Of This? ( DJ Mag Poll)
Agree that times are different. As you say, I get most of my info electronically, but I've been reading magazines again recently. Partly through digging out old copies of Straight No Chaser (re-read the UR cover story issue recently) and Grand Central, but have also been enjoying recent issues of Wax Poetics. As a result I've remembered that I prefer reading paper print to looking at a screen. oh yeah me too. i used to be a magazine addict. Granted, these are marginal niche magazines, but I'm not convinced that it has to be like that. i think things have changed irreversibly now. i mean look at how keep on magazine faired. Maybe I'm just in a participatory and optimistic mood today ;) :) you must beand i'm in a grumpy one. heh. robin...
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Yup, props to Vince for this, any sign of issue 3 yet? You wrote: www.detroiteq.com/ Time to give love to a proper publication.=20 --=20 John Patterson Cell (734)812-0671 32155 Birchwood Westland, MI 48186
(313) track ID
Morning all. Anyone know the last track on the Djbone Attack3 set. I must have that track. Cheers me dears J
Re: (313) track ID
OK my try for tracklisting. Sorry i am not really cultured on the old school stuff ... trolley route aka oscar mulero - a ochi cusi (pure plastic) sls - psyche ep (sls) sls - nocturnal (sls) fix - flash ((kms, electrofunk, gigolo ... whatever u waant) ben sims - tribe (hardgroove ltd) ? ? ? (probably some user stuff but id check the 00A label at it seems not to be on user... i have tried 1 to 9 and its not on them) jeff mills - alarms ben sims remix (axis) deetron - you dont know why remix (intec) ? (probably bone himself) ? ? (house of god ???) ? mark williams - unknown definitely the last track is mark williams but hes been doing the same sounds for years so now its almost impossible to pick the release where the track is... check some of his promate or dark house stuff... actually i would recommend the ingoma LP which is excellent but does not have the track you are looking for too many people ignore htat so i guess its worth mentionning it ! =) -- Benoît. Jamie Stewart a écrit : Morning all. Anyone know the last track on the Djbone Attack3 set. I must have that track. Cheers me dears J
(313) Moog Memorial
Really nice piece from Hans [the Moog film director] on Bob Moogs passing. Eamonn / D1 http://www.zu33.com/moog/memorial.html
Re: (313) OMAR-S,Oasis#14,FXHE RECORDINGS,12 sounding prettyfilthy.. , gotone ordered....
Chris O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Detroit House as much as the next guy on this list, but I really do not see what I am missing with these records. Not hating, but I've heard sooo much about these records, and I can't seem to find what I am obviously missing. To his credit, I have heard some great tracks from him, but I am not feeling most of them. I can see collectors being all over the seemingly underground style hand written white labels, but that's not what I buy records [for]. For the benefit of me and others on this list that may feel the same, please list the essential Omar-S releases that I need to hear to change my mind. Assuming that the track from about 51 minutes in (to the 57 minute mark, or thereabouts) on Tristan's Hannah's Birthday mix is the Omar-S Detroit #1, to me that's the best track of the entire mix. Chunky marching beats and steam train exhaust sounds, gotta love it ... - Greg
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Thanks for that. I'll look into the Mark Williams stuff at the weekend. Benoît Pueyo wrote: OK my try for tracklisting. Sorry i am not really cultured on the old school stuff ... trolley route aka oscar mulero - a ochi cusi (pure plastic) sls - psyche ep (sls) sls - nocturnal (sls) fix - flash ((kms, electrofunk, gigolo ... whatever u waant) ben sims - tribe (hardgroove ltd) ? ? ? (probably some user stuff but id check the 00A label at it seems not to be on user... i have tried 1 to 9 and its not on them) jeff mills - alarms ben sims remix (axis) deetron - you dont know why remix (intec) ? (probably bone himself) ? ? (house of god ???) ? mark williams - unknown definitely the last track is mark williams but hes been doing the same sounds for years so now its almost impossible to pick the release where the track is... check some of his promate or dark house stuff... actually i would recommend the ingoma LP which is excellent but does not have the track you are looking for too many people ignore htat so i guess its worth mentionning it ! =)
(313) Friday Question
What is the 12th track on the Juan Atkins Mastermix mix cd, right before Infiniti Game One? Apparently it's not the Pacou track listed on the tracklist? Does anyone know?
