Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines
I have to agree with you. The forward thinking innovation that was present in techno/house at their beginnings has moved on - it doesn't exist in the music that is sticking to the original blueprint. What is sort of funny in all of this, for me, is now I'm listening and buying mostly 60s 70s funk, jazz-funk, soul, etc. and I find more of that urgency and immediacy in music from 30+ years ago. Most techno from the last three or so years leaves me cold. There's a lot of let's do another Basic Channel/Maurizo tune going on... MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2008 09:55:53 PM: Most genre's do not last very long before becoming ec=xtinct. I mean disco only lasted 10-15 years at best. House and techno have been around over twenty years. whats left to say? I can't remember the last time i dj'd and only played house and techno. hasn't happend in 4-5 years maybe. A On Sat, November 8, 2008 2:40 am, /0 wrote: techno is dead. - Original Message - From: Denise Dalphond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines Ethnomusicology!! I think a full on, comprehensive article about major well known Detroit artists and lots of the lesser known artists from the 1970s to the present would be great to see - I know, crazy high expectations. Maybe that's why I'm writing my dissertation on this... Denise On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally have been wanting to see or write myself an article that isnt a summary of whats out there, thats got new interviews with key players of the early 313, and that almost looks at it from an ethnomusiclogical perspective as well as one that goes through records, records broken by mojo, radio shows, and the like.. The glaring omission of a realdeal article about 313 has much in my opinion to do with the fact that its still undercover...i mean, a 313 dj will get booked in nyc and i dont see any of the people from the other techno parties there. also, many of the people who read waxpoetics intently for the other kinds of articles, at least in nyc, partially think that those early 313 names play mostly ibiza stuff, imho, even if they have, you know, c2 remix x or dmay or cybotron record y. and the vast majority of those people havent seen any of the first wave 313ers kill it. maybe i'm off, but i dont think so. Alex -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore Ethnomusicology Indiana University www.denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com
Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines
How about that book Unlocking the Groove? On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with you. The forward thinking innovation that was present in techno/house at their beginnings has moved on - it doesn't exist in the music that is sticking to the original blueprint. What is sort of funny in all of this, for me, is now I'm listening and buying mostly 60s 70s funk, jazz-funk, soul, etc. and I find more of that urgency and immediacy in music from 30+ years ago. Most techno from the last three or so years leaves me cold. There's a lot of let's do another Basic Channel/Maurizo tune going on... MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2008 09:55:53 PM: Most genre's do not last very long before becoming ec=xtinct. I mean disco only lasted 10-15 years at best. House and techno have been around over twenty years. whats left to say? I can't remember the last time i dj'd and only played house and techno. hasn't happend in 4-5 years maybe. A On Sat, November 8, 2008 2:40 am, /0 wrote: techno is dead. - Original Message - From: Denise Dalphond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines Ethnomusicology!! I think a full on, comprehensive article about major well known Detroit artists and lots of the lesser known artists from the 1970s to the present would be great to see - I know, crazy high expectations. Maybe that's why I'm writing my dissertation on this... Denise On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally have been wanting to see or write myself an article that isnt a summary of whats out there, thats got new interviews with key players of the early 313, and that almost looks at it from an ethnomusiclogical perspective as well as one that goes through records, records broken by mojo, radio shows, and the like.. The glaring omission of a realdeal article about 313 has much in my opinion to do with the fact that its still undercover...i mean, a 313 dj will get booked in nyc and i dont see any of the people from the other techno parties there. also, many of the people who read waxpoetics intently for the other kinds of articles, at least in nyc, partially think that those early 313 names play mostly ibiza stuff, imho, even if they have, you know, c2 remix x or dmay or cybotron record y. and the vast majority of those people havent seen any of the first wave 313ers kill it. maybe i'm off, but i dont think so. Alex -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore Ethnomusicology Indiana University www.denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines
I don't say this to start a debate, because 'disco only lasted 10-15 years at best' is nominally correct. But I can't really pinpoint the death of Disco, especially since deep house has been plowing the same row since ... forever. Disco as a mass phenomenon in the United States was really brief, coming into the pop consciousness around 1974 and going way out by 1979. But nothing changed in the underground -- people still wanted to dance, but all those disco clubs in strip malls in the suburbs closed down. And around the world, there never was a disco backlash to the extent there was here in the states. Italo didn't go into hiding, and in the eastern block Disco stayed a huge thing, perhaps to this day. House and Techno seem to me to not descendents of disco but direct links in the chain that goes back forever -- they serve the same functional purpose with a different musical vocabulary. And whatever new things crop up as time goes by are going to be different and the same all over again. And don't forget, a whole new crop of kids whose starting point was early 90s techno are going to be coming on line soon enough. Just out of curiosity, when you're playing stuff besides house and techno what are you playing? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most genre's do not last very long before becoming ec=xtinct. I mean disco only lasted 10-15 years at best. House and techno have been around over twenty years. whats left to say? I can't remember the last time i dj'd and only played house and techno. hasn't happend in 4-5 years maybe.
