(313) kissens
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/12/beat-box-808-kissen.html for electronic dreams..gotta love the big muf, i wonder if any djs/producers here own one already ? peace!
Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.
i agree with you. tho it sounds indistinguishable i can hear the bottom end in the second part get 'rounded' and looses a bit of breading space, sounds a bit tighter to me. i'm using yamaha HD50M monitors but to really feel the difference i think this should be listened to on a club sound system. but really the difference here is so hard to tell i think regular music consumers would take this test as a waste of time regarding the the sound quality is good enough for listening, with no need for better quality. Specially on car/home stereo, with those 'SUPERBASS' and EXTRALOUD functions on HI-FI's that colour sounds, it would be impossible to tell the difference. however, i stick to DJing with wave files and I've heard the difference in the club. generally it depends on the quality and depth of the sound production, of course the more dynamic, spacey stuff gets affected more than,let's say, plink-plonky-3-element song when you compress to mp3. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kent williams a écrit : OK that was just a test. Try this link: http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/m500-starlight-blindfold test.wav I think the WAV is first and the MP3 second
Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.
Kent, i was more aiming to the richer, broader and deeper sound i feel the wav provides on a club soundsystem. i cannot comment on this from a sound engineer perspective, but rather subjective experience. i think a good sound system can reproduce low end frequencies i cannot hear at home, maybe sitting too close to the speakers, or speakers are incapable to reproducing these frequencies., but that's the juice that shakes my cells in the club. generally club music strongly focuses on effects of loud sound and following that is the neccecary breathing space or headroom that i feel get's tighter with compression. what about the stuff you hear out in clubs ? do you feel there's an extra perspective you gain when you hear a song that you know, played on a loud soundsystem ? is it more feeling than math ? i wonder if we're underestimating the frequencies that we cannot hear but rather feel have an effect on our ears and body On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:47 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the MP3 sample is first. I'm all for fighting the good fight for sound quality, though. I kind of wonder about the idea that you can hear differences in a big club that you can't on headphones or home speakers. Honestly, I can't hear anything particularly well at 130 decibels, and by the time your sound reaches the loudspeakers it's been through digital-analog-digital conversion, EQ, compression, crossovers and limiters. The bass and high end are coming from point sources several feet apart. A club system can sound very good, but can it help you distinguish subtle differences? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Davor Ostojic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree with you. tho it sounds indistinguishable i can hear the bottom end in the second part get 'rounded' and looses a bit of breading space, sounds a bit tighter to me. i'm using yamaha HD50M monitors but to really feel the difference i think this should be listened to on a club sound system. but really the difference here is so hard to tell i think regular music consumers would take this test as a waste of time regarding the the sound quality is good enough for listening, with no need for better quality. Specially on car/home stereo, with those 'SUPERBASS' and EXTRALOUD functions on HI-FI's that colour sounds, it would be impossible to tell the difference. however, i stick to DJing with wave files and I've heard the difference in the club. generally it depends on the quality and depth of the sound production, of course the more dynamic, spacey stuff gets affected more than,let's say, plink-plonky-3-element song when you compress to mp3. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kent williams a écrit : OK that was just a test. Try this link: http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/m500-starlight-blindfold test.wav I think the WAV is first and the MP3 second
Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.
I really would like to hear a few tracks, both WAV and MP3 played let's say in Fabric or some other club with a good, finely tuned sound system and then try to hear the difference. i'm arguing that since club music is made for the club, that setting should be considered a benchmarking place for music production/sound quality, that's all. i would on the other hand have a problem with a Bach or Vivaldi recording sounding shyte on my home speakers or headphones, but with dance music i want to have the benifits of the environment for which the music was produced for in the first place. not to diss the all-prevailing, disc-space-saving MP3, just my thoughts on this On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:36 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By all means play uncompressed WAV files. No matter what you play, if you care at all you'll get more out of a system if you spend a little more for proper Digital to Analog conversion. I've been using an RME Hammerfall DSP for several years now. I found some TRS 1/4 to Male XLR cables, so I'm running balanced all the way to the house mixer. That seems to make a the difference in sound -- I think I can even hear the difference DI boxes make. And the RME Multiface in general sounds so much clearer in the high end than built-in laptop sound or M-Audio outboard sound interfaces. I only got two responses from people with the courage to try and distinguish between 16 bit uncompressed audio and 320KBS MP3. Now it might be that it was an unfair test, but both people who took the challenge guessed wrong -- the MP3 sample was first. The one other response I got was 'I can't hear any difference whatsoever.' I wasn't an objective listener, and was biased toward the 'no difference' position, but I listened to that sample on my studio monitors and headphones for a long time, and I couldn't hear any difference -- even after I actually extracted the difference between the files and amplified it so I could hear it. I guess all I'm saying is that I don't think properly encoded MP3 files sound noticeably different than uncompressed audio. I also think that big systems -- no matter how expensive or carefully configured-- aren't going to make it easier to hear those differences. I don't think that any objective test of those hypotheses would prove otherwise. On the other hand, there's an art and craft to making music sound really good, and everyone has their own formula that's part voodoo. I get all excited about running balanced to the PA, but if you did a blind test with decent DI boxes and properly matched levels, I might not be able to tell the difference either. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Davor Ostojic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, i was more aiming to the richer, broader and deeper sound i feel the wav provides on a club soundsystem.
(313) Socially free-floating music
Hi everybody, i wanted to share with you an album i did that's been inspired, to some extent, by Detroit techno. It's titled in german, Das Sozial Freischwebende album, or socially free floating album in english. The CD was released in 300 copies on Zagreb based Home Made Electronica label as opening release ..more info on discogs. http://www.discogs.com/release/773418 Download album @ http://www.poratclub.com/davoro/sfalbum/ no more words here on, just music made free for the subscribers of this list. Cheers, Davor
Re: (313) James Pants mix from Stones Throw
Yes yes, more of this please, Stones Throw always throws me into my comfortable (not italian designed!) sofa. Madlib podcasts are cool as well. I wonder if the guy will ever get to rework UR or some other great techno label in the way he did with Blue Note. ..would be interesting.. to be relevant to the list, here it is; Detroit. d On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: killer mix. the fact that it's been posted almost everywhere the last couple of days is - in this case - a good sign. cheers, c* p.s.: playlist: 01. HP Lovecraft - Nothing's Boy 02. Mort Garson - Big Sur 03. Brian Bennett - Discovery / Too Short - I Ain't Trippin' 04. Kraftwerk - Hall of Mirrors 05. Fantasy 3 - It's Your Rock 06. The Five Stairsteps - Danger, She's a Stranger 07. De La Soul - Take It Off 08. Serge Gainsbourg - Requiem Pour Un Con 09. Johnny Chingas - Phone Home 10. Giorgio Moroder - E = MC2 11. Igor RX-15 - 808 Number 4 12. Cybotron - Alleys of Your Mind 13. Shadows of Knight - From Way Out to Way Under 14. The Seeds - Just Let Go 15. Strawberry Alarm Clock - Sitting On a Star 16. Silver Apples - Seagreen Serenades 17. The Glass Family - Sometimes You Wander 18. Jean Luc Ponty - Computer Incantations For World Peace 19. Bruce Haack - Super Nova Thomas Ainslie schrieb: Not exactly 313 related, and I don't really know anything about James Pants (except that this mix is awesome): http://www.stonesthrow.com/podcast/stonesthrow_33_mftf_jamespants.mp3
Re: (313) New Jay Denham album
Cool...the first techno set I ever heard in my life was a recording of Jay Denham playing Aquarius club in Zagreb late 1996. even in these days of music abundance i really like to get back to that recording ..looking forward to checking out his album ..thanks d On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maye this was talked about when I was away but what's peoples' thoughts on this one? Here's a quick review I did of it recently: A new album from Jay Denham? Larazus awakes! This is a fine double LP that goes way deeper and further than you would expect if you last listened to Denham's output 10 years ago- the Rhythms are still dense but now, a little less frantic and there's some superbly crafted moodiness in the melodies and chords. There's still some dancefloor destroyers though- The Truth and Come On both providing warped funk and disco hybrids that will work with the more adventurous Techno and House DJ's alike. Sweet Jesus comes across like Fabrice Lig with extra vocal samples punctuating the rolling drum patterns, big chords and Reese style bassline whilst the last side of the double pack takes us back down to the post-club couch for some tripped out hip hop and electro numbers. Overall, a superb and individual collection of tracks from Mr Denham
Re: (313) contemporary academic music literature?
Hi Frank, haven't read these DJ Spooky books yet but here's the link http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/author/default.asp?aid=20608 any other books that discuss music perception ? davor. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i recently read this book http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obsession/dp/0525949690 and enjoyed it quite a bit, but ideally i'm looking for something that's a bit less rock and a bit more techno. can anybody recommend any contemporary (21st century) academic-level critical writing and/or research on electronic music (or music in general) that is worth reading? as an example, i've been meaning to read this piece that martin posted a few months ago: http://folk.uio.no/hanst/Manchester/ChicagoHouse.htm not as interested in the cultural or historical aspects either (ala love saves the day and last night a dj saved my life, both of which i've read), but feel free to share if something is extraordinary. please no commentary from those who think music can't/shouldn't be discussed scientifically. :) -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) this MINUS climate change BS
On 9/4/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did anyone else get this crap from minus, jumping on the climate change bandwagon? someone needs to remind them that they dont really matter in the grand scheme of things, and initiatives like this smack of over-inflated sense of self-importance. because Im sure playing 200 days a year on multi-thousand watt audio systems is environmentally friendly... sounds like richie ate too many pills this weekend well, when you donate money for an operation to a sick child's parents, i don't know how that over-inflates your sense of self-importance, but it surely shows you know what IS important. how does this Minus step endanger you ? you disagree with what Minus is doing ?
Re: (313) this MINUS climate change BS
Hey, thanks for the elaboration, your thoughts come through much clearer now. Donating money to a university is a great idea, and i have to admit i checked minus website after i replied to you. it looks as if minus is filing a corporate social responsibility report, which is good. But the propaganda for digital downloading in there, well, that's quite practical for them, isn't it ? it's also true, but this kind of sense for joining the practical and trendy (actually nature preservation is necessary first , trendy second) gives them an edge. and from what i've noticed in the past Rich has shown to be a clever guy - marketing wise. hey, if this will make their music sound more natural as well, i'm all for it! peace D*/ On 9/4/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you're misunderstanding me, and perhaps thats my fault. I get annoyed as hell when a musician thinks that because they sold lots of records and people like to listen to them mix other peoples music, that we automatically care about what they say about climate change, politics, etc. it irritates me that minus is using my email to further their agendas, regardless of what they may be. they know damn well that I didnt give them my email addy for their hipocritical announcements regarding climate change (notice this was global warming until recently) rich, you wanna help? dedicate a months worth of event fees to a university that has educated people working on studies relating to climate change. you're just an uneducated musician that flies all over the world, using jet fuel, electricity etc to provide a recreational service. were this on minus.com, I would just ignore it. this is just my opinion, not looking to get into climate change debates etc. - Original Message - From: Davor Ostojic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: (313) this MINUS climate change BS On 9/4/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did anyone else get this crap from minus, jumping on the climate change bandwagon? someone needs to remind them that they dont really matter in the grand scheme of things, and initiatives like this smack of over-inflated sense of self-importance. because Im sure playing 200 days a year on multi-thousand watt audio systems is environmentally friendly... sounds like richie ate too many pills this weekend well, when you donate money for an operation to a sick child's parents, i don't know how that over-inflates your sense of self-importance, but it surely shows you know what IS important. how does this Minus step endanger you ? you disagree with what Minus is doing ?
