Re: (313) But can they sing?
Oddly, I have good associations built up around house or techno 12's with off-key vocals. Y'know, like an old 12 on DJ International or Eightball. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a vocal trainwrecks, as a dj beatmatches flawlessly while the vocals roar out of tune over each other. There's something really awful about it, but the imperfection sort of puts the humanity back in a dj set. It's a sort of sonic phenomena that you wouldn't ordinarily hear (hopefully) where people were singing two distinct songs, wildly out of tune. Im fine with vocals in techno (while Im not crazy about Atkin's The Flow, his single Ill Be There is an outstanding cut). Doesnt make a difference to me. Best sets I've ever heard involved a good mix between house techno 12s, with an attentive dj who just knew what to play. And a good house set with a live singer just brings back disco/gospel/soul in a good way. Peter --- Tim Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Ian Malbon wrote: Clearly there has been a move by many producers to incorporate more vocals in techno and related genres (Diva-house has always been an exception). I remember thinking this was going to become a trend when Juan dropped The Flow. Some, like Recloose, employ guest vocals, and others, like Jeremy Ellis, handle the task themselves. First, what's your general reaction to vocal tracks? And does it bother you when some of these vocalists can't quite cut it? I think that vocal tracks, used sparingly, can really enhance a set or an album, but it is easy to overdo it. Bad vocals can be pretty bad... or not, just as in rock music. It's not as much a matter of whether the vocals are on key as whether the style fits the rest of the music and the rest of the set. To choose some examples, I think Matthew Dear pulls it off really well, because his delivery sounds very techno to me. On the other hand, when I saw Safety Scissors live, I have to say his vocals were a low point. Maybe it's the difference between using live, dry (and not especially strong) vocals vs. studio-manipulated ones. But then to further contradict myself, I thought the Nitzer Ebb track on the first Dex Efx 909 mix ruined the flow of the mix, even though I have no problems with the track on its own. Overall, I like the move towards more vocals... I don't mind the blurring of the boundary between techno and pop music at all. But when DJing, you have to put each track into the context of the set as a whole (as always) and make sure you're neither playing too much of one style, nor constantly jarring people with tracks that are totally out of place. -- Tim Moore __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
RE: (313) DJ Mag Poll
Why do you all think guys like Tiesto and Van Dyke are so popular? P www.peterlasell.net --- Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2005 14:28 To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk on top - his music is not my taste, but I've always felt that he's sincere and principled. Is Hawtin at # 12 not a triumph for good music? No love for Detroit in there overall, but that ain't nuthin' new! __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: (313) er no (OT: was Swing Techno)
If it's any consolation, here's a ringtone based on the track Doop Doop: http://www.mobilefunbase.com/index.php?fuseaction=order.step1id=18011 Enjoy ;) P --- Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doot is not the same as doop UK 313ers may have not fully understood teabagging (not that it's popular down here. i only know about it from john waters 'pecker') philski __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FW: (313) Swing/Jive Jazz samples
I might be confusing tracks here. As I recall it sounded like a hard chicago house track, with a sample of women singing Doop Doop taken from a 1920s-30s swing or ragtime song. The track structure is typical. Sounded like an early 90s equivalent of techno/house novelties like 'Crazy Frog' or Oizo's 'Flat Beat'. I can imagine it working well in a bar brawl in the UK ;) P www.peterlasell.net --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2005 15:42 Doot Doot was done by Freur - Karl Hyde Rick Smith's band before they formed Underworld (incarnation #1) Is that the same record as I remember (if so incorrectly obviously) as Doop by Doop? - the UK chart topper? I have fond memories of that record as when I used to live in the wilds of Cumbria (translation for non-UK peepz = a bit like US hill billy country) I went to the local club one Saturday (cross betweeen a teen disco and a working mens club) and a massive fight broke out while this was on, it was mayhem, the whole place was going off but somehow with that playing over the top it was comical, like some scene out of a black and white western where 2 guys fighting sets the whole saloon off. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Swing/Jive Jazz samples
i havent been following this thread very closely but here are the ones i can think of, most arent necessarily detroit records... bugs in the bassbin (which has probably been mentioned already) soul center 1 - thomas brinkmann, soul swing keep it unreal - mr scruff, lots of weird jazz/swing references Doot Doot 12 - can someone trainspot this? I think it was a record put out by hardfloor before they were hardfloor. the whole track is structured around the copious use of a swing sample. i want to say some moodyman too, but id have to listen back over some 12s --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I think the Rob Hood EP Underestimated has a track that opens with a swing bit before it goes into the usual minimal techno bidness. ~David not sure if this is what you are talking about..but i have an Armando album with a track on it called Real Jazz from the one world one future album. its just one track, but definatly swingin.also a track on the Madhouse Compilation a basement, a red light and a feelin' by Keri Chandler is very swingin jazz.i believe the track is called the way it was not many but its what came to my mind when i thought of swingin jazz tracksalthough im sure there are many more... michael www.renegaderhythms.com On Wed, October 26, 2005 7:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wondering what other tracks are out there that use swing jazz samples? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Kickdrum-less techno
Resilient 1.3 - Chain Reaction Some tracks on Ian O' Brian's 'Gigantic Days' Spritual High - Irresistable Force Electric Counterpoint - Steve Reich/Pat Metheny Disintegration Loops I-IV - William Basinski Kit Clayton - The Mimic and the Model #1 EP By Default: Dreamweapon Ecstasy in Slow Motion - Spacemen 3 Glider - My Bloody Valentine --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philippe Cam - Karine !!! Derrick May - Icon and an unreleased track by stereo jack. At the request of yoda I thought I'd try a new interesting thread. What's you favorite kickdrum-less piece of techno? Mine is: Digital Justice - Theme from it's all gone Pear Shaped - Fragile robin... __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) [London] 10th Nov The Box: Oliver Ho, Mark Broom
What's Oliver Ho been up to these days? I heard him dj a couple of years ago and he was excellent in technique and selection. I've always admired his records too. Is he still releasing via Meta? Peter www.peterlasell.net --- Saira Raza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more thursday night goodness BOX @ Medicine Bar, 89 Great Eastern St. Shoreditch EC2A3HX Map: [url] http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=EC2A3HX [/url] Every Thursday Some of the guys from System, Dice People and Saiko have got together to bring a no holds barred night of tough electric funk, techno and house. This weekly promises to bring you world class DJs and the freshest new talent to the dancefloor. Residents: Colin Dale, Mark Broom ,Trevor Rockcliffe, Mark Williams, Steve Strawberry, Terry Mitchell 10th Novembers Lineup: Oliver Ho (Meta) Terry Mitchell (Primal Force) Mark Broom (Pure Plastic) Steve Strawberry (Tilted Disco) 21:00-02:00 free before 22:00 £5 door. £4 Students, £3 Mems (free membership - email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Any queries : [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
