(313) ATMOSPHERE. Warm Tones 10/22
ATMOSPHERE presents Warm tones, the first insallment of our Tones Series. These three special concert events feature the best in electronic, ambient, minimal and dance music. Gather with us at the 555 art gallery and enjoy: Lusine featuring Kero (Ghostly International, Tigerbeat 6, Hymen) Tim Flood (Live) Carlos Souffront (WCBN/Crush Collision) DOC (Focus Media) Drew Maddox (Paxahau) Aarnio (ATMOSPHERE) Selected digital works will be projected on gallery walls throughout the evening. ATMOSPHERE connect//collaborate//create// Wednesday, October 22 8pm - 2am 555 Gallery 200 E. Michigan ave. Ypsilanti door: $8 ($5 w/min 12 copies of your art samples or demo cd/tape/vinyl)
(313) ATMOSPHERE. 9/17
ATMOSPHERE: Fusing Creativity and Community Join us for a night of live electronic music and contemporary art. Performances by: Dabrye (Ghostly International/Ann Arbor) Live PA Dykehouse (Ghostly International-Planet Mu/Ann Arbor) SV4 (Ghostly International/Ann Arbor) R Elliott (Ghostly International/Ann Arbor) Iggy Ignotius (Abolitionist/Ann Arbor) Live PA Aarnio (Atmosphere/Poland) Wednesday, September 17 10pm - 2am Goodnite Gracie 301 W. Huron St. Ann Arbor, MI $8 at the door. 21 & over please (Bring your portfolio or at least 12 copies of your demo CD/Tape/Vinyl and get in for $5) ATMOSPHERE is an event intended to cultivate a productive interface between artists and supporters of the Michigan underground and outsider art communities. It is an opportunity for members of the creative community to further the collective aims of the regional arts scene by engaging collaborators and mentors in their area. http://www.podwerx.com/atmosphere ATMOSPHERE provides an unconventional and compelling space for artists to display their work, commune with fellow artists and make valuable industry connections. They will have the opportunity to develop portfolios, meet industry leaders and receive professional advice. A collection of artwork from the video, painting, photography and design disciplines will be projected onto screens and selected pieces will be displayed alongside the walls of the venue. Interested parties are encouraged to contact Carlos Hinojosa, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Images of artwork in digital form (300dpi 720*480 pixels) and video (mini DV, DVD, VHS) can be mailed to: 373 Columbus Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48103 Industry professionals interested in connecting with ATMOSPHERE artists are encouraged to contact Adrian Pittman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATMOSPHERE connect//collaborate//create//
(313) ATMOSPHERE 8/12/03
ATMOSPHERE: Fusing Creativity and Community 8/12/03 Join us for a night of live electronic music and video art with performances by: Twine feat / Phase 4 (Bip-Hop, Ghostly International) Kero (Warp, Lowres, Ghostly International) Matt Demmon (Eupholus, Trash Tapes) Aarnio (Ghostly International) ATMOSPHERE is an event intended to cultivate a productive interface between artists and supporters of the Michigan underground and outsider art communities. It is an opportunity for members of the creative community to further the collective aims of the regional arts scene by engaging collaborators and mentors in their area. ATMOSPHERE provides an unconventional and compelling space for artists to display their work, commune with fellow artists and make valuable industry connections. They will have the opportunity to develop portfolios, meet industry leaders and receive professional advice. A collection of artwork from the video, painting, photography and design disciplines will be projected onto screens and selected pieces from Gallery 555 will be mounted on the walls. We are currently accepting submissions for September 17 and are always accepting work for future shows. Contact Carlos Hinojosa, [EMAIL PROTECTED], or visit our website for more information, http://www.podwerx.com/atmosphere ATMOSPHERE connect//collaborate//create// Tuesday, August 12 9pm - 2am Firefly Club 207 Ashley St., Ann Arbor $8 at the door (Bring your portfolio or at least 12 copies of your demo CD/Tape/Vinyl and get in for $5) http://www.podwerx.com/atmosphere Upcoming Shows: September 17th: Dabrye SV4 (Sam Valenti) Dykehouse R. Elliot Aarnio
(313) 313 in Brussels?
Hi. I'm going to be vacationing in Europe during July. I wondered if anyone knew of cool 313 related events happening in Brussels, Bruges, and Amsterdam from July 4 - 8. Please respond to me privately. Thanks alot, ;:carlos
(313) opening night immedia 2003
[ [..] ] immedia2003 > 8th.annual.digital.electronic.art.exhibition [ [..] ]01.31.2003 to 02.08.2003 university of michigan media union 2281 bonisteel blvd. ann arbor, mi 48109 [ [..] ]multimedia performances interactive installations lectures animation and video screenings interactive fiction and web works flatwork CAVE virtual reality interactive graphics video flatwork [ [..] ]friday 01.31.2003 opening night > food and refreshments served ].[ CAVE 6-9pm ][ virtual reality ].[ central collaboration area ].[ performances by 7pm ][ 01V 8pm ][ Drop Box 9pm ][ Chris McNamara ].[ video studio ].[ performances by 7pm ][ Nine Questions 8pm ][ Midwest Product 9pm ][ Naoism 10pm ][ Bill Van Loo 11pm ][ Rob Theakston [ [..] ]saturday 02.01.2003 night > ].[ CAVE 6-9pm ][ virtual reality ].[ video studio ].[ Kit Clayton and Sue Costabile 7pm ][ lecture on electronic music composition and live video manipulation 8pm ][ artist q and a 9pm ][ 'Interruption' performance ].[ Joshua Kit Clayton lectures about the creative process in electronic music composition and the challenges of combining it with live video manipulation. following the lecture, Kit Clayton and Sue Costabile perform the conceptual art piece, 'Interruption', exhibiting innovations in audio/visual manipulation and physical movement. Those interested in Jitter for MAX/MSP are strongly encouraged to attend. [ [..] ]throughout the week > ].[ gallery interactive installations interactive fiction and web works flatwork ].[ video studio animation and video screenings interactive installations video flatwork interactive graphics ((( mission ) )) [ [..] ][ [..] ] the immedia electronic art exhibition has developed from a community of artists and thinkers interested in the artistic possibilities of new technologies. the immedia community exhibits the best of such art, eschewing reckless application of powerful technology in favor of electronic art which seeks deeper understandings of technology's relationship with art and life in contemporary society. as with any art, electronic art must explain our world to us in new ways, helping us understand and relate to our environment. the immedia community believes that the sweeping changes already wrought by television and those still to be realized by computers and digital devices necessitate a new art. this new art, reacting with and against new technologies, has a deep responsibility to guide humankind's future interactions with its new electronic environment. technology must be used in creative, intelligent ways to ensure an expressive future. the immedia exhibition hinges on the belief that it is the electronic artist's responsibility to realize the full creative potential of digital and analog devices. http://entity.ummu.umich.edu/immedia/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Kit Clayton at immedia Sat Feb 1
immedia 2003 eighth annual digital arts exhibition Jan 31-Feb 8 University of Michigan Media Union 2281 Bonisteel Blvd Ann Arbor, MI This is a free event and food/refreshments are served [ [..] ]multimedia performances interactive installations lectures animation and video screenings interactive fiction and web works flatwork CAVE virtual reality interactive graphics video flatwork [ [..] ]saturday 02.01.2003 night > ].[ video studio ].[ Kit Clayton and Sue Costabile 7pm ][ lecture on electronic music composition and live video manipulation 8pm ][ artist q and a 9pm ][ 'Interruption' performance ].[ Joshua Kit Clayton lectures about the creative process in electronic music composition and the challenges of combining it with live video manipulation. following the lecture, Kit Clayton and Sue Costabile perform the conceptual art piece, 'Interruption', exhibiting innovations in audio/visual manipulation and physical movement. Those interested in Jitter for MAX/MSP are strongly encouraged to attend.
(313) electro kicks
to add to the electro thread, i recommend checking out Legowelt, Vitalic, and Felix da Housecat. That's all I've been listening to lately. you can try searching for them on soulseek ::carlos
(313) immedia03 call for submissions
immedia 2003 > 8th.annual.digital.electronic.art.exhibition [ [..] ] [ [..] ] submissions now being accepted deadline december 1 http://entity.ummu.umich.edu/immedia/ . january 31-feb 8 .. ..opening january 31 . .. media union, u-m campus .. ann arbor, mi .usa ((( submissions )) [ [..] ][ [..] ] entity, ann arbor michigan's electronic artist coalition, invites you to submit works to immedia 2003, our eighth annual exhibition of digital and electronic art. initiated in 1996, immedia has involved hundreds of artists and performers and has become an international event. works created with or in response to digital and electronic media are welcome. submissions categories include, but are not limited to; free standing installations, music, performance, dance, video and animation, interactive graphics, flatwork, kinetic sculpture, experimental sound pieces and web design. immedia will not accept any artwork that is submitted through email. please refer to the immedia website for submission information. entity is also seeking groups or individuals interested in performing at the event, or giving short lectures or presentations. if you are interested, please indicate this on the submission form. SEEhttp://entity.ummu.umich.edu/immedia/ EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((( mission ) )) [ [..] ][ [..] ] the immedia electronic art exhibition has developed from a community of artists and thinkers interested in the artistic possibilities of new technologies. the immedia community exhibits the best of such art, eschewing reckless application of powerful technology in favor of electronic art which seeks deeper understandings of technology's relationship with art and life in contemporary society. as with any art, electronic art must explain our world to us in new ways, helping us understand and relate to our environment. the immedia community believes that the sweeping changes already wrought by television and those still to be realized by computers and digital devices necessitate a new art. this new art, reacting with and against new technologies, has a deep responsibility to guide humankind's future interactions with its new electronic environment. technology must be used in creative, intelligent ways to ensure an expressive future. the immedia exhibition hinges on the belief that it is the electronic artist's responsibility to realize the full creative potential of digital and analog devices.
(313) idm retrospect
With the addition of the laptop in a live performance gig, it is very easy for a musician to really just stick with that. Software such as MAX/MSP, Ableton Live, Reaktor, Pro-Tools...there's enough to occupy one's time and energy strictly from the keyboard. My problem is when a musician hits "Play" on his pro-tools sequence and does some postmodern italo-disco dance for pretty much him/her self with absolutely no consideration for the audience. What's the point of performing live if you're not going to work it a little? And don't get me wrong, laptoppers work it hardcore. take, kid606, BMG, Bill Van Loo. These guys beat out some phat beats and crazy soundscapes right behind their laptops. The key here is live music, folks, and when a musician is smiling and getting into it and obviously tweaking enough virtual knobs to get a crowd moving-either physically or mentally-they are doing a fine job. The last few shows at the Detroit Art Space have both impressed and disappointed me in this sense. I'm not going to mention Telefon Tel Aviv because they use guitars and their live presence is already memorable without ever hearing a sound. I'm focusing more on Perspects, LegoWeldt (not sure if spelling is correct) and Pole. Perspects: resorted to snooty dancing and hitting play on his machine. he used a controller but that was only slightly cool. There was no improvisation. every track was already queued up perfectly, no mixing between tracks, no eq-ing...i was basically listening to him play cd's. LegoWeldt: Awesome show. Played familiar electro tracks like you've never heard before. The music was so good i didn't even notice if he was using a laptop or tables. What I mean by this is that complex mixing was apparent and the crowd was really into it. It's so easy to fall into that routine of repetitive analog synth patches and traditional 808 drum loops. i was glad i could hear something new. Pole: I felt like I was waiting in line for something to happen. i had to chain smoke to keep things interesting. slow and dubby tracks with no feeling. Pole even shook his head at given intervals. I didn't see that Vladislav Delay show that people have been talking about but I imagine I felt very similar to the fellow who made that first critical post. IDM both intrigues and repulses me almost simultaneously. I really think that innovative mixing is the key to any good electronic music piece-even the experimental type. ::carlos
[313] i missed the drexciya thread
I was in new york this weekend and not really keeping up with list. Thanks to everyone who helped me find a good event. I chose a PS1 Moma reception with Morgan Geist and it was incredible. I wanted to comment on Drexciya. Drexciya is an underwater environment. They brilliantly convey images and feelings of mystery, illusion, race for survival, warrior sea creatures, and oceanic hierarchy. Drexciya is about escaping from your routinized life by growing gills and voyaging to the bottom of the ocean. You run from the things that suffocate you in hopes of complete isolation and uninterrupted contemplation. Drexciya doesn't listen to any other music but their own. They resist their unhealthy environment. But what is healthy about journeying to the bottom of the ocean? Maybe the music sounds "the samey" because it really hasn't progressed. It's hard to progress when you aren't taking in new ideas from outside sources. I don't think Drexciya is about progression. I think they are dedicated to supporting this oceanic theme and often enough the ocean can be a long and endless stretch of the same compound. Drexciya is a different kind of underground. That is why it is so intriguing. carlos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] anything in NY this weekend?
Hi. I'm going to New York this weekend and wondered if anything 313 related or just really cool is happening in the city that I should go check out. Please reply to me personally. thanks alot, carlos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] events/club outtings in D tonight
I'm going to check this out tonight: http://home.earthlink.net/~kellibkav/corktownpress.htm beats the sh** out of sasha and digweed carlos On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > nething going on tonight other than sasha and digweed > (barf) ? > > > > clubs, parties? > > -Joe > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] G.D. Luxxe
What happened to that copy I gave you? Don't tell me your dog ate it. carlos On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Matthew Clay Shultz wrote: > > i've been trying to my hands on a cd of G.D. Luxxe's 'submission' lp for > quite some time now, and i've had a really awefull time. (2x lost in the > mail + backorders, etc.). if there's anyone our there who could burn me a > copy... i'm basically desperate. i'll even pay you for it. > > matt > (ann arbor) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Tad on Friday
Did anyone see Tad Mullinix at the hamtramck blowout this Friday? If so, what exactly was the problem with his equipment? The set was faulty in so many ways. it just kind of started. People were mingling and sampling the massedonian beer and then all of a sudden he brings us into the middle of one of his loops. no intro. no build up. nothing. For a short while it appeared as if he was trying to mix two digital audio loops but then when he brought them both in and realised they couldn't beat match he quickly killed the recent loop and tried to fool us with a delay effect. Soon he gave up mixing tracks and focused primarily on efx and queuing samples. And for awhile that was cool. but he used all his tricks in the beginning so that there was nothing to anticipate. I remember grooving along to a really hard industrial techno beat but after a few minutes nothing was added or modified to keep it interesting. so he killed it. in the middle of a techno loop and then a quick fade out. and silence. more silence. and soon we are in the middle of another loop entirely different from the last. I'm just not covinced this is all due to technical difficulties. I really dig Tad's Cd's but lately when I see him live I am dissapointed. A Live PA set can be very cool and when I saw him at DEMF I was excited. So maybe this list can queue me in on what's happening. I appreciate, carlos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] anything happening in Toronto?
Hi. I'm going to be in Toronto this weekend and wondered if there are any 313-related events that anyone might know about. Please reply privately. Thanks, carlos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Biofeedback replacing DJs / Neil Stephenson's Ideas
my favorite stelarc works are from his suspension period. He used to hang himself from tall structures by plunging hooks attached to bungee like cables through specific points along his body: shoulders, legs, just around the spinal chord, etc. and affixing the other end of the cable to the tops of the buildings. the hooks were attached in such a way that his body could not slip off them. To sustain the pain(here's my favorite part) he previously recorded sounds of his internal organs in the non-penetrated state by placing a mic inside of himself, and then, during performance(suspension), played these sounds back at an extremely high intensity as to manipulate his nerves into thinking everything was ok. He would hang from the eiffel tower and famous elevated European railways for several hours. That's just so satisfying on so many levels. carlos On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Joshua Stephen Landau wrote: > > >stellac (sp?) an australian based performance artist in the 80s used > > >biofeedback. he would place electrodes on himself that would generate > > Stelarc. He's also done some other strange things, like mapping those > same electrical impulses to an Internet ping-map so that the speed of his > twitching was determined by the ping from his location to various places. > Another project involved wiring half of his body to transmit and half to > receive, and mirror-imaging this wiring on a dancer across the continent. > The two then performed a piece together. Interesting fellow, if a bit on > the strange side. > > Josh > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] tonight at detroit contemporary
entity presents. ((an evening of audible intimacy) 10/18. doors @ 8:00pm $5 featuring: SLICKER (recent works include: The Latest_ an unconventional approach to composing, playing and programming, which manifests itself as a pervading balance of smooth, rich and equally rough-edged elements.) BENEATH AUTUMN SKY (recent works include: The Enki-Du TELEFON TEL AVIV (recent works include: Fahrenheit Fair Enough_ a hybrid of live acoustic instruments and electro beats; NIN remix EP_ Things Falling Apart) performing courtesy of Hefty Records Immediate Action Tour special opening guest: Sample Space (Chris Peck-electronics, Ricki Mason + Rachel McKinstry-dance) located at the Detroit Contemporary: 5141 Rosa Parks Boulevard Detroit, MI For more info: (313)898-4ART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fwd: [idm] IMMEDIATE ACTION tour dates this weekend
Th 10/18 Detroit, MI @ Detroit Contemporary doors @ 8:00 $5 special guest Sample Space for directions: www.detroitcontemporary.com On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Greg Malcolm wrote: > >From: Hefty Records <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [idm] IMMEDIATE ACTION tour dates this weekend > >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:54:57 -0500 > > > >In support of next week's "Immediate Action" release: > > > >Slicker > >Telefon Tel Aviv > >Twine > >Beneath Autumn Sky > > > >with DJ Ray_Rod > >visuals by Phase4 > > > >10.13.01 > >Columbus, OH > >@ Wexner Center > >9pm, Doors at 8:30 > >$12 general public, $10 members and Ohio State students > >1871 North High Street > >for more information or to purchase tickets online go to www.wexarts.org > > > >10.14.01 > >Pittsburgh, PA > >@ Millvale Industrial > >part of the ULTRASONIQ 2 festival > >8 pm $7 > >located in the Millvale Industrial Park > >2100 East Ohio Street (Route 28) > >(412) 321-MITT (6488) > >for more information go to http://mit.telerama.com > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 10/18 hefty tour Detroit
entity presents. ((an evening of audible intimacy) 10/18. doors @ 8:00pm $5 featuring: SLICKER (recent works include: The Latest_ an unconventional approach to composing, playing and programming, which manifests itself as a pervading balance of smooth, rich and equally rough-edged elements.) BENEATH AUTUMN SKY (recent works include: The Enki-Du's Mono_ break beats for the masses) TELEFON TEL AVIV (recent works include: Fahrenheit Fair Enough_ a hybrid of live acoustic instruments and electro beats; NIN remix EP_ Things Falling Apart) performing courtesy of Hefty Records Immediate Action Tour special opening guest: Sample Space (Chris Peck-electronics, Ricki Mason + Rachel McKinstry-dance) located at the Detroit Contemporary: 5141 Rosa Parks Boulevard Detroit, MI For more info: (313)898-4ART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 10/18 hefty tour Detroit
entity presents. ((an evening of audible intimacy) 10/18. doors @ 8:00pm $5 featuring: SLICKER (recent works include: The Latest_ an unconventional approach to composing, playing and programming, which manifests itself as a pervading balance of smooth, rich and equally rough-edged elements.) BENEATH AUTUMN SKY (recent works include: The Enki-Du's Mono_ break beats for the masses) TELEFON TEL AVIV (recent works include: Fahrenheit Fair Enough_ a hybrid of live acoustic instruments and electro beats; NIN remix EP_ Things Falling Apart) performing courtesy of Hefty Records Immediate Action Tour special opening guest: Sample Space (Chris Peck-electronics, Ricki Mason + Rachel McKinstry-dance) located at the Detroit Contemporary: 5141 Rosa Parks Boulevard Detroit, MI For more info: (313)898-4ART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] hefty tour in detroit
entity presents. ((an evening of audible intimacy) 10/18. doors @ 8:00pm $5 featuring: SLICKER (recent works include: The Latest_ an unconventional approach to composing, playing and programming, which manifests itself as a pervading balance of smooth, rich and equally rough-edged elements.) BENEATH AUTUMN SKY (recent works include: The Enki-Du's Mono_ break beats for the masses) TELEFON TEL AVIV (recent works include: Fahrenheit Fair Enough_ a hybrid of live acoustic instruments and electro beats; NIN remix EP_ Things Falling Apart) performing courtesy of Hefty Records Immediate Action Tour special opening guest: chris peck + contributing artists TBA (live PA electronic music set) located at the Detroit Contemporary: 5141 Rosa Parks Boulevard Detroit, MI For more info: (313)898-4ART [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
buzzcocks at saint andrews hall 1996. now that was a show. carlos On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Mike Taylor wrote: > > buzzcocks were from manchester. > > punk trainspotting on the 313 list, I own you all. :) > > mt > > > > >From: "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? > >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:48:58 -0400 > > > >the clash, specials, buzzcocks were influnced buy reggae and dub but thats > >london. not sure about detroit. > >guns of brixton is a jam! > >scotto > >ps Can was one of the buzzcocks biggest influences. > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:52 AM > >Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? > > > > > > > Somebody wrote: > > > ~~ > > > Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks > >primary > > > influences was Jamaican reggae & dubb. Just had to bring it all back > >full > > > circle. > > > ~~ > > > > > > Do you have any evidence of this? Can you support this claim? Are you > >Iggy > > > Pop? The only influence Dub and Reggae may have had on punk is the > >message > > > they tried to get across. Ska was directly influenced by the rhythms > >and > > > sounds of Dub and Reggae as is apparent in the music, however Ska-punk > >cross > > > pollination really didn't happen until about '88 when Operation Ivy hit > >the > > > scene. Unless you consider The Specials and The English Beat 'punk', I'd > > > really like to know where you got this idea. > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
