Re: (313) deepchord...AWOL?
expect a new cd coming out in the next six months.. something tells me it might be a 12 trak/60 minutes cd...we'll see ... it's likely some more stuff appears via synth label.. just keep your eyes wide open.. /12 - Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: (313) deepchord...AWOL? hi listers, any news from the deepchord guys? i havent heard (about) any new releases in a long time and the website seems to be down. are they no more? fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.mypace.com/citymorb out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep.
Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t
everybody's got their name printed on their faces. what's the problem if someone starts reading aloud? not comfortable enough? /12 - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t
too much zen, but thats ok.. to sum up. this isnt about namecalling as such. rude truth is handsomer than any of your pseudo-civilised politness.. u think you're that mature? no you arent,you're just old and tired.. even too tired to see the detail of the matter,comparing current affairs to some bs from the 80s.. they seem alike? they arent.. /12 - Original Message - From: Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t I think the important thing to remember (somewhat similar to what Kent said) is that all of this posting is archived and there may be a time in the future when we look back in hindsight at some of our posts (that maybe we shouldn't have posted) and wished we hadn't posted 'em. Personally, my big shouldn't-have-happened is when I was doing my syndicated radio/net show and got pissed off at Javier Drada because I felt I had premiered something on my show that he said he was premiering on his show. At the time I was pretty fired up about it, but soon after in hindsight I realized it was a pretty foolish thing to give a damn about though I think I kept this to myself and never made it public. So, Javier, if I never apologized for being an ass about that then, please consider this an apology. I think far too often, and not just on this list, on forums, and other forms of cyberspace, we don't a) think should I really bother to post this before posting and b) apologize for our hastiness after we post something we realize maybe we shouldn't have posted. Ditto for in outside-cyberspace life. Being married has made me realize that one of the most important things you can do is be the person to apologize first even when perhaps the other person should have been the one doing the first apologizing. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks
Re: (313) screaming the truth
this is the the most ridiculous show ive witnessed for ages.. unsubscribing drama queens whose party's been spoiled... instead of crying, write an official letter of complaint to the admin and tell who is that villain who destroys your imaginary perfect discourse.. detroit - where the weak are killed and eaten ^seems the actual detroiters have already been banned from this list or never knew it existed.. the line between sophisticated and the pathetic is thinner than some of you think. you do think right? /12 From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; chthonic streams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! Well said Rob, I've gotta 99 problems but this list aint one m
Re: (313) crybaby warning
gotta love the insecure crybabies... no forum or mailing list can do without a few of them ;/ give him a hug, tom and put to eternal sleep... /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate/other digital devices. tom thanks for the kind words but NO THANKS!!! Im giving relivent information to the coversation that is relivent to MY life that just HAPPENS to relate to this thread like dale said this is a SECURITY issue its some thing I have seen 10s of times on lists and forums read it for what its worth take it how you want but the words are the words... if I was tring to promote my gig with jan I would have posted the flyer or the press release for that show on the 23rd into this thread, I havent donethat... if I wanted to promote gigs I would have posted info about sundays gig or the one Im playing with pheek on thursday in this thread BUT THEY ARE NOT RELIVENT TO THIS THREAD SO IM NOT!!! Im having dinner on the 23rd with an artist that is being discussed in THIS thread and said I can ask him in relation to this discussion and give you HIS input. if you are not secure with your life and want to poo poo mine that is your own issue but my life and the things that happen in are in realtion to THIS thread so DEAL with it!!! (I dont expect you to understand as obviously your to wrapped up in being hardcore and underground) neil www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) crybaby warning
how come the elitism disappears as soon as the discourse turns into sound detail avenue? you think the usual mutual a*ss kissing has anything to do with hi-level? intriguing i must admit. /12 - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) crybaby warning I'm glad to see we've upped the level of discourse on this list to IDM-l levels. On Sep 5, 2006, at 16:34, v12 wrote: gotta love the insecure crybabies... no forum or mailing list can do without a few of them ;/ give him a hug, tom and put to eternal sleep... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
indeed it isnt, there are countries where you actually have to think before you do or say something ...imagine? - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the US. On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. oh ok then he can get my stuff at the local shop in polan cargo services poland On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the US. On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
:) well, then take some jazz trak,compress the audio down to 128 kbps do the same to your average laptop trak..and guess what..the quality sucks in both cases, but the laptop trak sounds incomparably more bright, stiff, lifeless... than the other one. how come? i'll tell you when you learn to accept reality as it is. /12 - Original Message - From: Dale Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. It's myspace... those are mp3's... low quality mp3's at that because that is all that myspace will let you upload. You can not reproduce a warm sound with a compressed music file. (ie: mp3s) Most of the audio spectrum that compression filters prioritize is at the high end because the higher you go on the spectrum the more detail and bandwidth you need to even approximate the sound. mp3's sound crunchy and dry... even the high quality ones. In order to make a proper comparison you're going to have to either go get a copy of the real thing, or download an uncompressed wave file, burn it to a cd, and listen to it on your normal system. Maybe this is pointless too... At 04:53 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe ^this is the stuff i was waiting for; you think it's easy to get onto my record shelf? that acting like some backward canadian brat on some mailing list is enough of a reason to put you among kdjs, 69s or drexciyas? congrats kid, now you got my nearly fallen off my chair :) and dont forget to update your myspace pics, kiddies /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. ok now your being a twat my stuff is released properly you ass!! Im tring to save you some time and money if you want then go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe and the UK where I think you are by cargo, in japan by polp and in NA by outside music...or itunes also in case your to much of a shut in and wont leave your house oh wait you are still on DIAL UP!!!LMAO internet backwater!!! On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: so what's the optimum stream? a cda quality? well i cant wait to hear that ;/ or get your stuff out properly so we can talk about audio detail /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
make one more jokes of my geo-location and i'll call things directly what they are again,unless you ban me from the list on time.. /12 - Original Message - From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Mailinglist List 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. Ok, now we have come to the point were we are insulting people, this threat is now officially dead (Godwin law's maybe?). Lets stop this, don't reply to this anymore and think it never happened. KJ On 4-sep-2006, at 6:43, v12 wrote: what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know..
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
march 2007, i'll send someone for it.. remind me a week before if you could... /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. dont bother you wont like it regardless musically producers like myself and dale are obviously far to complex for some one who uses toilet paper enjoy the view from your high horse when you fall off your horse we can then again talk... better yet if you want the real deal Ill probally be playing in warsaw in march 2007 so I can hand you that toilet paper in your hand if I can reach that high up where you are! On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. oh ok then he can get my stuff at the local shop in polan cargo services poland On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the US. On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
cobblestone jazz - 5th element common factor exploration:meaning noleian reusse - lovers jack scorpion's dream aqua dance first one traks that come to mind... /12 - Original Message - From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? good lyrics too btw... i like tracks with lyrics. http://www.lordsofacid.com/lyrics/index.php?show=27 good topic as well. technolyrics.. anyone? -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? lords of acid - sit on acid the perfect setting is putting it on yourself and then levitate your body with extreme force towards the most crowded spot while screaming something cheerfull oh, and i love the velvet man. always good for a sliding... -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:08 To: marina pure sonik; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? (Now this is more like it) ...here are two that do it for me: 1. Designer Music - Good Girls 2. Taana Gardner - Work That Body
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
Ive had tracks mastered by twerk that suddenly went from luck warm to boiling hot.. simply because he knows what he is doing ... ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about..
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
example of what i am talking about: http://www.discogs.com/release/17578 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
loop finding jazz records sounded nice as far as i remember but the traks were too long (a matter of taste though) i liked it much more than most of the farben stuff that ive heard... /12 actually jan uses plugs and logic. I've got a friend thats done work with him and yet other friends that have played live with him most of his samples are from old jazz records (ie loop finding jazz records) - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. bizz WRONG jelinek uses live instrumentation for the most part hes only used samples for a small amount of recordings and acctually they are samples of his own music playing On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: someone mentioned jelinek,ok he can sound really sweet sometimes, but it's samples.. a slightly different story.. show me someone who sounds like that relying of software synthesis ONLY. /12 www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate./loop fin ding jazz recs
...but having it played right now i must say it's the looped samples / sustained piano tails, chimes etc that sound sweet all the electronic snippets spoil the impression. it would sound better to me without all the clicky rubbish flying around /12 - Original Message - From: v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. loop finding jazz records sounded nice as far as i remember but the traks were too long (a matter of taste though) i liked it much more than most of the farben stuff that ive heard... /12 actually jan uses plugs and logic. I've got a friend thats done work with him and yet other friends that have played live with him most of his samples are from old jazz records (ie loop finding jazz records) - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. bizz WRONG jelinek uses live instrumentation for the most part hes only used samples for a small amount of recordings and acctually they are samples of his own music playing On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: someone mentioned jelinek,ok he can sound really sweet sometimes, but it's samples.. a slightly different story.. show me someone who sounds like that relying of software synthesis ONLY. /12 www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
show me someone who sounds like that relying of software synthesis ONLY ^thats why i say he doesnt fit. if it wasnt for his analog sources he wouldnt get anywhere. - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. and why does he not fit??? becasue you say so? his a digital artist samples or not he fits... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: did i say samples from records? and what did i ask for? he doesnt fit if you read carefully... - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. acctually let me explain a little better about what I emant below... reuses live instrumentation that he plays as sound source material for his music... its not just him sampleing from records... how how he samples this stuff and gets it on to his machines are all up to him from my discussions with him he uses all sorts of different recording and micing methods... any how I think regardless of what he does he still a fine example of digital music made with a laptop that sounds super warm... I can find out more about his techniques when I play with him later this month in toronto (sept 23rd) and give you direct examples of what hes doing but ultimatly its warm music made digitally not by the fetishized analogue gear... oh and by the way rob model from what I understand uses actual intruments like a electric guitars to get his sounds...its later processed like crap to end up as they sound... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Neil Wiernik wrote: bizz WRONG jelinek uses live instrumentation for the most part hes only used samples for a small amount of recordings and acctually they are samples of his own music playing On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: someone mentioned jelinek,ok he can sound really sweet sometimes, but it's samples.. a slightly different story.. show me someone who sounds like that relying of software synthesis ONLY. /12 www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
sweet fng jesus ;/ In a computer it is the same thing, there are a lot of elements that are geared to that same mainstream audience, as well as all of those garbage loop and prefab rhythm programs/plug-ins, and you have to get past that just like with real world synths and make your own sounds. You have to make them your own. A good artist will synth and tweak every sound in their production themselves and have total control ^that's ok when you start the topic with a bunch of 5 year-olders who never touched a keyboard.. who are not aware of what sort of waveforms surround them ;/ etc. as you probably noticed - this is not the case.. cliche aside.. or let's end the discussion before it reaches new levels of pointlessness* /12
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of warm sound i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying boiling hot today .. /12 - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the boiling hot you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) list issues
for a while i thought i was banned from the list (after a handful of bounces),which happens occasionally...but it seems it's the vocab filter well, sort of funny thank god we can say terrorist, oil, regime ... the american brother is watching... - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: (313) list issues Yes, as I've said over and over, if it's a word you can't use on American television, you can't use it here. It's not like I or anyone else cares how you express yourself. It's done so that people who use work e-mail accounts can subscribe to 313 without getting their incoming e-mail flagged for obscenity. Those of you in other parts of the world may be suprised what a hypocritical, prudish, repressive place the US is. Oh wait, probably you won't. On 9/3/06, chthonic streams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yet i didn't get it back, except in pieces just today. the only times those pieces worked were when a swear word was removed or misspelled. what is with the swear word filter? is it on the list or what? and if so why? i don't think there's one on idm-l, also at hyperreal. can this be changed?
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
but maybe we haven't seen the Ron Hardy or Derrick May of the laptop yet. But it's silly to argue that computers, in and of themselves, are the problem. no, true. it's the lifeless,stiff, ear-scratching bright sound that is the problem.. it's like a plastic doll,with or without make-up it's still nothing more than a pathetic substitute.. unlucky imitation of a great thing.. widely accepted as the real thing requires way more skills.
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
show me a 100% pc-made trak that would sound even close to rod modell's deepchord 14 or rhythm n sound's carrier. speaking of rod - any of his traks on ecchocord. or afx's blue calx or laricheard or mike parker's caesura 1 or andres' LP on mahogani/ kdj 29 either you're all joking..or you simply can not hear the elementary difference in sound-detail. i test my hearing once a month in a dedicated lab,and it's bat-good so to speak. the rest is fair - not only i wont support the dull brightness spread around me by thousands of ridiculous labels but i'll take any occcasion to say what i think about it.. i remember autechre's interview in which they said the same as most of you: that it's not the computers' fault, it's the ppl who use it that are responsible for the cold lifeless sound - it would sound much more reasonable if they ever made one vibrant,warm sounding record imo. the stuff i got on warp cassettes [tri repetae/chiastic slide] appeared to sound miserable on cd and so on blablabla /12
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate/other digital devices.
and i dont say digital is bad - not at all - i.e. look at convextion..much of his stuff sounds really good. i dont know about his whole audio signal circuitry but i remember he was using a digital jd800 as sound source for many of his track.. it aint deepchord,but still much more ear pleasing than the regular software synth driven piles of lego ;) J.T. correct me if im wrong or check snorri arnarson's (octal/thule) timbres getting out of his clavia synth - to get a fuller image of what i mean..
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate/other digital devices.
You should print the thread and read it on paper, that will add some warmth to it :) or even transcribe it down to paper and than read it :)) ^guess what - if a post is longer than say 15-20 lines i do print it. unless it's some pointless nonsense by someone i know he couldnt come up with anything relevant) i do have problems with full understanding of more complex stuff read off a screen. i learn/aquire much better..from paper plus i love its mobility.. and yes, i hate the super-white light-reflecting sheets, i prefere 3rd class yellow vintage paper to be honest.
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
It's possible to make a digital track sound convincingly analog in any decent software package. Soft saturation on the EQ, tape compression, add a little hiss ... nobody will know the difference. nobody? it's all futile attempt - analog devices lacked stability,that meant milions un-copyable micro-details per minute.. you cant name them ,point at one - but the general image is much much different from the digital emulation imho. ___ Record an analog track to a computer at a sufficient bitrate and it still sounds analog. ^ true, much more analog than the software emulation of tape saturation and all that ... Techno's godfathers were *proud* of the synthetic nature of their instruments. They didn't try to make their strings and basslines sound real. ^ their synthetic was somehow half-organic/half-synthetic when i look at it now.. the word synthetic in 2006 means something completely differnt.. it reached the ridiculous extreme, biting its own tale.. ___ someone mentioned jelinek,ok he can sound really sweet sometimes, but it's samples.. a slightly different story.. show me someone who sounds like that relying of software synthesis ONLY. /12
(313) re: production
Techno is about dance floor reinforcement, so if you are not thinking about the final product. ie: the sound system on the floor .,. then just forget it .. ^95% of techno i've heard had nothing to do with dancefloor..what sort of a sleeve you've pulled out this joke from? unless you meant straight DANCE MUSIC... but then call it what it is.. neutral speakers/environment are the standard if you asked me, be it 30 or 3 W. if a well recorded trak doesnt translate in a club - the sound system needs a fix. personally i dont give a f***, my techno plays under 85dB as i want to keep it till im really old.. /12
Re: (313) Production
Believe me, I've spent hours and hours making 'sounds never heard before' in my studio, and most of them are awful. ^and if you want to become one of them/the players - choose the most awful/ridiculous ones, loop them for about 5 mins or make some random patterns/sequences - put them out. but before: give it some geeky label and write some sort of a manifesto..ask some trendy journos for a positive review.. that's been done before and unfortunately worked pretty well.. that's what the recent evolution is (almost) all about - freaky, glitchy nonsense, farty basslines etc. that's what literally made me give up listening to new records by people i dont know - most the fresh stuff gives a headache after 4 bars of that garbage. i want to .believe me,im curious as ever - but my ears beg me to stop. at the same time it's the people who use the same old boxes for 20+ years that sound both fresh and good on many occasions. there are a few software optimists who claim that when you know how you can get any sound out of a computer..blablabla.. BUT - they either have a deal with a given software manufacturer or belong to the evergrowing group of people who used to produce amazing timbres but ended up releasing pathetic jokes. show me ONE software lopass filter that sounds warm with a narrow Q, without stuff like pSP vintage warmer put on every group channel or so it will never get there imho. or another chance is people are getting increasingly dumb - example: the recent monolake - you can smell 001010101010s from a mile yet 9 out of 10 ppl will say..it sounds like basic channel. which is...hardly sane ;/ enough, i guess. /12
Re: (313) Hawtin
Mr. Clarke was even jumping and smiling an dancing behind the dex, and that's not often to be seen:-) ^yet another proper clown - admire or die ;/
Re: (313) Um...
It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. ^ world is fascinating, true.. you dont need anyone to tell you that -if ppl need someone else to write/say it - there is no hope. same as there is no hope for sanity of the majority - brainwashed and ultimately tasteless..
(313) Hawtin soap'eras?
him,vaeth,vilalobos,magda? and all that business(wo)men i cant believe ppl still discuss their action.. and then even seriously argue about it? like there wasnt anything better to do/ listen to... shame.
Re: (313) More Recognition
i remember one side of the jeden/dwa record was ok. a good use of a pseudonym 'cause i gave up checking to stuff signed with his name after the ridiculous LP on cocoon. (not techne ,the other one) for the curious: jeden = one dwa = two /12 - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: (313) More Recognition Y'all are prolly sick of my hyping up Recognition (Jacek Sienkiewicz' label), but I've done some more catching up and am suitably impressed. I never knew he was also DWA. The Jeden record from last year is the nuts. The B-side is the one, as usual, and this is one of his best judging by the clip. Totally wobbly, gorgeous melodies with a driving groove. The latest is Atom Heart's Repetetive Digital Noise, which is perhaps a bit more straight-forward, but also worth a go. The last track is the one. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) Drexcyia: Dj Stingray @bootleg cafe
got it some time ago; a good one indeed, if only he werent messing with maurizio/phylyps traks @45 rpm it would be even better... - Original Message - From: Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:45 AM Subject: (313) Drexcyia: Dj Stingray set Hey all, I don't have many details on this set, but if you like electro [meaning you inherently like drexciya :) ], you should check this out. it made my day a lot better. http://oliver.epm-musiconline.com/DJ%20Stingray-BootlegDJCafe.mp3 -nick
Re: (313) More Recognition
i remember once ive read he was heavily inspired by robert hood back in 1997,which is ok. but the difference between hood and sienkiewicz is: the latter has not recorded anything spectacular like spectral nomad or even wire to wire yet. unless his recent stuff is that good,dunno - as i havent checked it..
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i wont ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc . none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself. if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok. but those commercial mps3 are still sort of a joke. often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks lose at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of a techno trak) honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the artist. sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/ /12
Re: (313) Digital Downloads
the sad aspect of it is - ihavent discovered the music on time ,so to speak. besides, it was easy to track down the clone and tresor releases,or the abstract thought doublepack but i doubt the submerge/ur or warp stuff could be repressed any soon. and i wont be chasing second hand recs..just because some fu***r got himself 15 copies back in 1995/97.. - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: RE: (313) Digital Downloads And that's a sad thing HOW? Sounds like a proper ratio to me. On a Detroit-not-techno-tip Dilla's new joint is the bomb. The shining. Sampleheads Checka. K mwnb -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Digital Downloads ive heard a lot of those 320 kbps from various sources and decided i wont ever spend a cent on mp3/ogg etc . none of the files sounded better than the 192s i made myself. if it's wav / cd-r sure ,ok. but those commercial mps3 are still sort of a joke. often hammered with some funny loudness maximizing limiters the traks lose at least 50% of its dynamics. (often turning into a punk-rock remix of a techno trak) honestly i'd rather get an illegal file and send 5 $ directly to the artist. sad thing is - 95% of stuff i got this year is by ..drexciya ;/ /12
Re: (313) Teaching them when they're young...
headphones at his age is not the best idea.. (for his hearing) - Original Message - From: Kelly B. Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: (313) Teaching them when they're young... http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdiddy/214606735/ That is a picture of our son playing records for the first time at a friend's picnic last night. He's playing Solitary Flight by Theo Parrish, which is fitting since Theo was one of our son's earliest musical obsessions. Coincidentally, he's wearing a Kraftwerk shirt. I couldn't be prouder. :-) Kelly
Re: (313) new ERP on ai
honestly: dissapointing.. after listening to that infamous 2xCD of stolen traks only the one i didnt like at all got onto vinyl while there was a load of fat/deep stuff in the bunch. probably first erp release i wont buy. but anyway i wouldnt expect anything else from a label like Ai. cant wait for the the Downlow release though; the recent convextion/erp stuff was great. so was the TCM cd. - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: (313) new ERP on ai just a heads-up/plug that there is a new ERP (convextion) split 12 with Mariel Ito (aka Maetrik, also from dallas) out on AI now...3 tracks from each, gus' tracks include a model 500-ish techno cut, a fast one that rides the line between electro and dnb, and a pretty n delicate dubby electro one...all tracks he dug up from 7+ years ago, i'm pumped to see them on vinyl! erik's (mariel's) tracks are more typical AI style but nice i think as well. hope some of you dig it and pick it up gus need chiken and new midi cowboy boots
Re: (313) RE : (313) new ERP on ai
about The 2x CDJ.T. would never like to hear about again :) - Original Message - From: mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'v12' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: (313) RE : (313) new ERP on ai Of which 2xCD are you talking ? Cheers, derb - Objet : Re: (313) new ERP on ai honestly: dissapointing.. after listening to that infamous 2xCD of stolen traks only the one i didnt like at all got onto vinyl while there was a load of fat/deep stuff in the bunch. probably first erp release i wont buy. but anyway i wouldnt expect anything else from a label like Ai. cant wait for the the Downlow release though; the recent convextion/erp stuff was great. so was the TCM cd.
Re: (313) Trax reissues
it's always buy now!!! remastered***%%% or DI-GI-TALLY !!! remastered!!%%@@^^ etc..but they never mention the sources which sais everything about their target audience no thanks. trax? hell yeah - a good way to cash on. /12 ___ What is your impression on the sound quality of the recent Trax represses (TXR*) ??? Are they much better (i am still looking for decent quality pressing of Virgo Four)? Any special miss or hit in terms of press/sound quality? AFAIK, NEWS at Belgium is behind these, and they said the releases were remastered (from which sources???)... Cheers G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD Sao Paulo, Brasil __ Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) See Mi Yah remixes 4
if i was disappointed with the 3rd one (having zero expectations after the first two) then the 4th ep left me totally indifferent. bland stuff names are not enough. /v12 - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: (313) See Mi Yah remixes 4 Phowar... talk about saving the best till last! C2 and Basic Channel on duties this time - only heard the clips on the basic channel website but it seems like they might have saved the series... of course, does this mean that they're going to do the whole series? There are a couple left to go yet...
Re: (313) Richard Polson - RIP
...dont really know what to say. surface crew/65d were in my top-? sound-wise for a long time; yet probably pretty much UNDERRATED by most people. really sad,especially that there is no peace where he's gone ;/. - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: (313) Richard Polson - RIP From James Ruskin: It is with great grief and sadness that we would like to inform you that Richard Polson suddenly and unexpectedly passed away last Thursday night due to natural causes. It was a peaceful death and for this we are truly grateful. Richard touched so many people throughout his life, and the light that shone from within him will continue to lead us all. We ask that you could please take a moment to remember this special human being, and to respect the pain that his family, girlfriend and friends are feeling at this extremely sad time. Richard taught many people valuable lessons in life, respect, kindness, generosity and joy. He will never be forgotten by those who loved him, and we know his life will not have been in vein, as his spirit will live on amongst us all forever! Richard was very much one of electronic musics' unsung heroes. A pioneer who preferred to let the music do the talking, he has helped shaped the face of British electronic music over the past twelve years. His music and spirit has inspired many others to continue his legacy for what he believed to be true and just: music uncluttered by ego and hype.
Re: (313) Hard Wax Redesign
noticed that too. good news,but what made them include audio samples? could that be the same reason for which we can hear villalobos on smy rmxs? ;/ - Original Message - From: Ronny Pries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jacob Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hard Wax Redesign thanks for the hint. that was about time :D rp Jacob Arnold wrote: I just noticed Hard Wax has a new cart and mp3 samples to boot! http://hardwax.com/ Jake
Re: (313) Hierovextion
as much i dont give a about the reviews ;) , i'd be very thankful if someone posted a link to the saturday's recordings... if such exist of kors ... /12
Re: (313) More new Rhythm Sound SMY remixes...
much better line up,huh? i was seriously afraid to see ppl like fixmer or ellen allien or even some clicky-noobs like eulberg or stuff like that on the 3rd part of smy rmxs. but instead: hallucinator,loewe and metzger - sounds(or rather : LOOKS) ..at least promising..but after listening to the samples im even more disapointed than in the case of the previous two eps where my expectations were close to none. well done ;/ - Original Message - From: Lists @ Inaudible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: (313) More new Rhythm Sound SMY remixes... Just announced on http://www.basicchannel.com/item/BMX-3... Rhythm Sound: SMY Remixes #3 12 (BMX-3) 2006 Tracklisting: - See Mi Yah (Hallucinator Remix) - Dem Never Know (Sleeparchive Remix) - Rise And Praise (Vainqueur Remix) release date Apr 24, 2006 Lance @ Inaudible 6099 Creekside Lane North Ridgeville, OH 44039 United States Lance @ Inaudible 6099 Creekside Lane North Ridgeville, OH 44039 United States
Re: (313) More new Rhythm Sound SMY remixes...
as iasaid - 3rd part 's been made by the right people, but: when i see vainqueur - i expect to hear something equal to faith, elevation I ver 3 or elevation II orig - this guy has an amazing signature sound in his hands - why waste it for mediocre traks? (sounds a bit harsh? maybe :) when i see sleeparchive - i expect elephant island when i see hallucinator - i recall phebes or black nagel ... i will DOWNLOADand listen to whole traks, but judging upon the samples i wont buy it anyway. if i change my mind -i get it double + i'll eat my winter boots ;P
Re: (313) Poland
unfortunately,yes. - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: (313) Poland Are there any listmembers from Poland? cheers Jason
Re: (313) DEMF supporters here
Complaining all the time makes the music struggle to progress and die. ^ if it wasnt dissatisfaction that made some people change the fossilised musical schemes (the other day) then what was it? the problem appears when the complaining (for a reason) buy tickets and attend something that isnt 100% their thing because they had no time to find anything better. Plus every Detroiter I know is working to develop the new sound so all of that outside talent can listen to it to bring it back out to the outside world. ^tell your dear D-friends to continue (best of luck) ,maybe someday the sound of '89 gets abandoned :))) hopefully without the use of all that pc glitchy clicks or farty (knarz'y?) basslines flooding the record shops for the last decade ;/ personally i find the currect state of electronic music pretty depressing (especially the dance area). billions of labels,zillions of artists and nothing decent to listen to except for some underrated gems recorded by people who never appear on the flyers ;/ if anywhere... alleluja. the bad news is: keepin' it real ,yo bro ;/ aint enough (unless im alone with my opinion which is possible,sure) /v12
Re: (313) minimal sounds
maybe a bit off-topic?... dunno http://outoneart.com/mixes/fixia_-_deeper.mp3 a mix including rhythm n sound,deepchord ,ridis,thule and related sounds for chordy-echo-fetishists ;) ___ minimal but not clicky and not slamming either: surely anything by deepchord/octal recs thule musik (ok,ozy uses some very short soundsamples,but these are in no way ear-scratching, it's actually 100% minimal, no micro ;) + remember old pacou's label Linear Logic - some unique stuff by him and imax on it... +also recent stuff by mike parker on his geophone label (i.e. caesura 2x12) is defo worth a listen and of course...convextion ;) also thorsten profrock's aliases - remember him? +forget the teenage reason/reaktor-driven BC-clones - it's all empty imho. /12
Re: (313) minimal sounds
another not to be missed: jan jelinek with his loop finding jaqzz records and decent/recent kosmischer pitch ,both on scape. unique sampling imho.
Re: (313) minimal sounds
kosmischer aint consistent quality wise so to speak..but it's worth a listen for that trak5's guitars only ;) /12
Re: (313) minimal sounds about Costello
costello - together is the new alone sounded unique. never heard abnything valueable by him since then. sounds like everything else around kompakt sound area pity. /12 - Original Message - From: seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) minimal sounds about Costello - Original Message - From: dave cronin in the mood for the deep minimal stuff. http://www.discogs.com/label/Minimise Donnacha Costello: the 'Color' series. Nice. seek
Re: (313) i miss...
cant beat the a.r.t 1 version ;) tested: positive - Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: (313) i miss... nortroute. just testingsorry fab
Re: (313) see mi yah mixes
convextion nwaq 3 chairs jackmate carl craig + i wouldnt mind hearing an actual v.delay version instead of his luomo nonsense. what happened to mr. multila/entain ? - no idea ;/ /v12 - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) see mi yah mixes On 3/16/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah! + convextion ;P yeah ill take that, too. or even one by yourself! tom
Re: (313) Planet Detroit Upcoming Events
I'll bet it's the US Surgeon. Tony Child (the UK guy) is simply referred to as 'Surgeon' rather than 'DJ Surgeon'. I could be wrong... ^www.dj-surgeon.com i heard that the us surgeon is called the surgeon rather than dj surgeon but - ive never been there so... maybe it's none of them? ;)
Re: (313) More Burial Mix remixes
what are they doing?! :( i bet this will sell - there's a catchy house loop (who cares that the voice vs organ/synthgo off-key occasionaly?) there's a yo-yo-yo jungle mix for the ravers + b2 ultra-stereo dub for the smokers. this WILL sell,for sure - but i doubt it would satisfy the ones who loved best friend or king in my empire as for me - yet another dissapointment ;/ - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) More Burial Mix remixes On 3/17/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.basicchannel.com/item/BMX-2 I'm not impressed (is that FK mix played at the wrong speed?!) i liked the horns that started to come in near the end of the soundstream clip, but before that i was very underwhelmed. the sweet substance rmx sounds alright, not mindblowing or anything, but nice. and no, i guess thats FK doing his jungle thing, which is just silly to me. if youre going to play jungle music, make it sound more like the old stuff! thisll be another burial mix 12 i wont be worrying about tom
Re: (313) see mi yah mixes
villalobos remixing rhythm and sound? who allowed this? who released it? worst joke of the year so far if you asked me. kompakt (feat. perlon) 1 : 0 hardwax [halftime] whats gonna happen next? ;/ - Original Message - From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) see mi yah mixes On 15-mrt-2006, at 16:59, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Yeah but I thought the luomo stuff from 5 years ago was smoking too. So I see his point. No i don't, please elaborate? You mean that stuff you liked 5 years ago is boring today? I thought the V. Delay mix was smokin too, probably my favorite on the 12 Adam On 3/15/06, David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont get too deflated until you hear it - I have only listened to the Villalobos track once and I can understand the comments on the Tikiman one but I really like the Delay one. Also even though the one review isnt the most encouraging - it does rate 4/5 from 8 voters
Re: (313) Trapez/Traum, etc
samey rubbish ,tons a day. electronic music killers. thats what i feel about that trendy environment - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: (313) Trapez/Traum, etc - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:41 AM Subject: Re: (313) 31-03-06 Süd Electronic Present Traum / Trapez / Mbf With Alex Under , Triple R /Riley Rei I find Trapez can be a bit hit and miss, and they seem to be going in quite a proggy direction. Also definitely worth checking out is the sub-label, Trapez Ltd. Tends to have darker stuff on it. Check out the Coccopuffs EP by Und, bloody wicked stuff... http://www.discogs.com/release/344574 Yeah, Christmas is wicked, and Ambivalente on http://www.discogs.com/release/442111 is none-too-shabby either. reminds me of some older Dettinger stuff sort of. FWIW I lost track of Trapez/Traum for a long time (err... I didn't have much of a record buying budget when they first hit the shops, so missed all of the early ones) but have made considerable effort to catch up in the last couple of years. Thing is I've listened to loads of it but I buy maybe 1 in 10 records, and some of that verging-on-electroclash sutff they started putting out last year was fairly horrendous, although you can hear bits of that on the Coccopuffs EP and it *almost* works. For that matter, i find most of the clickier labels tend to be fairly inconsistent but the good stuff is defintiely out there, it just requires persistence to find it. What I find interesting is that a lot of the artists I associate with these sounds seem to be moving away from the clicks 'n cuts model. I think a lot of the producers are quite talented and it will be interesting to see what direction they take going forward. For instance the Thomas Jirku track on Arbutus 002 sounds an awful lot like Fabrice Lig, and I don't know how you would characterise the Akufen remix of Brooks! Funk??? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
Re: (313) Convextion, Heiroglyphic Being
maybe a few euro-gigs would wake people up. i cant even say he's underrated in my area, because he's literally unknown yet (which is absurd imo) will his performance be recorded /put online for the less lucky ones? if not - i'll have to wait till his new stuff on DL comes out
Re: (313) Convextion, Heiroglyphic Being
my area = poland and jamal moss aint any more known than gerard. there's one particularly decent record store whose owner is pretty much into hieroglyphic being (and omar-s on the other hand) but that doesnt help at all. people dont seem to get that sound ;/ i may generalise but these records sit on shelves for months while say...anything from kompakt distro ( poker flat,shitkatapult etc) often disappears a day or two after its arrival. i guess shops like emporium50.com would go bankrupt easily ;/ - difficult to explain the situation - bad economy is one thing - but bad taste is another... mixture of both perhaps - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: RE: (313) Convextion, Heiroglyphic Being OK, I think you meant Convextion. Sorry. Oh well I gave you the answer anyway! Is Jamal Moss any better known in your area? By the way where is your area, if I might be so bold? Cheers, Ken -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2006 14:47 To: v12; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Convextion, Heiroglyphic Being Hey. Yes Hieroglyphic Being's set (as well as Convextion's) will be recorded and posted up on Bleep43.com. Cheers, Ken -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2006 14:42 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion, Heiroglyphic Being maybe a few euro-gigs would wake people up. i cant even say he's underrated in my area, because he's literally unknown yet (which is absurd imo) will his performance be recorded /put online for the less lucky ones? if not - i'll have to wait till his new stuff on DL comes out
Re: (313) Musicology 12s
bootlegs. - Original Message - From: theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: (313) Musicology 12s Someone was asking about these...they're nice, clean, good sounding presses and look a lot like the originals with the etching in the runout grooves scratched out. Same label faces as appear at Discogs. Black vinyl. Thus far I've seen/have B1201, 04 06. jeff
Re: (313) best picture ever of mathew johnson
it sais: can y'all smell that? hah! i did it !(again) - Original Message - From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: (313) best picture ever of mathew johnson http://www.flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/96675878/in/set-72057594060643767/
Re: (313) Classic beatdown tracks?
the CC remix is good,if not better than that - but i must say that when i hear beatdown the first thing that comes to mind is the CD on 3rd ear,especially the opening tracks by Alston and Miller. +the original 'falling up' or backbone waltz by 3 chairs. isnt carl's rework a bit too floor-friendly for a beatdown track btw? - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:36 AM Subject: (313) Classic beatdown tracks? Carl's remix of Theo has all of Berlin going crazy. I read an interview with Andy Vaz of background records saying that Beatdown was all the rage over there now. So what are the best beatdown tracks? And does anyone else like the stuff that's been coming out on Philpot records? Does that count as beatdown, even though it's made by Germans?
Re: (313) Classic beatdown tracks?
beatdown a new dwarf-genre? well dunno but honestly beatdown sounds better than house if you asked me not that i care about words a all that just a thought house techno 's been raped so many times that techno turned into...deep techno while house became deep house to escape from the negative conotation - not sure if it's funny or not, but surely a weird process to observe. back to beatdown: let's call it slo,fat,soulful house before it joins schranz or progressive @ the menu of sad jokes. whatever the f**k one sees as soul ;)
