RE: (313) Laptop Debate
My (worthless) 2c - as a punter, I couldn't tell the difference between music made on computers and music made on synths, neither do I care. A good tune is a good tune - I couldn't give a stuff how it came about. -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 14:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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amen to that - call a spade a spade On 9/5/06, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My (worthless) 2c - as a punter, I couldn't tell the difference between music made on computers and music made on synths, neither do I care. A good tune is a good tune - I couldn't give a stuff how it came about. -Original Message- From: v12 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 14:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m 3u m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Brilliant, you truly have no idea what you are talking about, goodnight... m On 3 Sep 2006, at 13:09, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u m
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Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
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Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm On 4-sep-2006, at 11:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u m
RE: (313) Laptop Debate
-Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K
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no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
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hmm the nwaq is massive. i have played that for a few friends who had fallen out of touch/enthusiasm with techno and it almost singlehandedly (drexciya lent a hand as well) got them back into it. and the kirk ep's are about as good as it gets these days for deep techno. they didn't stun me at first but then i heard someone else playing them and was really excited by them. but note that these NR's were all mastered by the exchange, and imo, the exchange sucks...loud but very brittle sounding mastering. sounds most of all like you are going thru some sort of very apathetic music phase where very little gets you going...we all go thru that, in years to come you may be surprised by what you are slagging off now... -Original Message- From: v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 4, 2006 10:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
RE: (313) Laptop Debate
This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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google latronic notron. -nick Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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no, the correct name is the Notron sequencer, made by Latronic. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/jun97/latronicnorton.html it is hardware and very dope. regardless, KDG does have the tendency to overproduce his stuff. he can easily get into some lite jazz territory, especially recently. i do recall reading an interview with him where he said he multitracked all his stuff in protools now. which is one reason why his stuff seems so eh at times in fact, here are his gearlists for different times in his production: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/pdfs/kirkdiscog.pdf he's a case of analogue out the wazoo, but i still dont care. tom On 9/4/06, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_seq/notron/notron_sos.htm m - Original Message - From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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that's the Hartmann Neuron. -nick Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
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http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Latronic/Notron/info/Notron.txt
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Ah! The Notron, yeah that was a cool piece of hardware, i played with one of those somewhere in the mid-nineties. It looked like a prop from Buck Rogers though :) On 4-sep-2006, at 20:17, Martin Dust wrote: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_seq/notron/notron_sos.htm m - Original Message - From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
(313) Laptop Debate
OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
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silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option b - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
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example of what i am talking about: http://www.discogs.com/release/17578 - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u m
(313) Laptop debate - gear f3tishizm
In order to work that way, those artists had to be as good at running a drum machine, synths, effects and a mixing board. They had to have a definite idea of the sound they wanted. They had to know how to play, and to embrace and roll with happy accidents. there are a lot of skills one has to have to make good laptop-based music as well. people on lists like this forget or never heard all the musical travesties made with the same gear. with the glow of hindsight, 80s gear and its results have been romanticized out of proportion. there were loads of analog synths, drum machines, tube amps, and recorders that were just awful. true, there was some excellent gear made, but mostly it was gear that was made famous by someone who took what they had and went with it. their creativity, and subsequent success, is what people really want - the gear is just an over-f3tishized substitution. having said that i do share some of the same attitude but won't be blinded by it. d. (still chopping up his long reply to find out what art is making the list reject it)
(313) Laptop Debate - imitation
I honestly think the same thing is possible with Laptops, but maybe we haven't seen the Ron Hardy or Derrick May of the laptop yet. But it's silly to argue that computers, in and of themselves, are the problem. agreed. a big problem when switching over to computer, just like from analog to digital, is that the rules change. the issue is similar to what gareth jones said in an interview about recording with daniel miller and depeche mode: new music goes through a formica stage. some of the first analog synths were used to put out things like switched on bach where synths tried to mimic and replace each instrument in a classical orchestra. cute, but why bother? it's not an orchestra so don't try because it will fail misreably and sound cheesy (unless that's what you're going for). a convincing trompe l'oeil (or l'oreille in this case) is hard to do, and only works in a controlled environment, which music is not often experienced in. moving from analog to digital we had the same issue, and now again from hardware/sequencer/recorder-based technology to the laptop environment. the tendency is to mimic what's gone before. there is a good deal of laptop music that does not try to be other than what it is, or explores those boundaries rather than trying to make the laptop be a replacement for something else. analog modelers are pretty amazing, but i'm sorry they're not the same. even the ones that are exactly the same except without the unpredicatability and the noise - well, unpredictability and noise are HUGE factors in music. d. (this was the last piece, let's see if it works)
