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i've appreciated all sides of the debate, but i concur. After Detroit, it's Berlin. If we are talking kindred TECHNO spirits, who helped get detroit european exposure, collaborations, the whole Hardwax/Basic Channel connection, remember that tresor compilation: Berlin-Detroit: A Techno Alliance ;) yeah you could argue Neil Rushton was doing similar with licensing stuff for Network UK / Kool Kat though... Biorhythms... etc. etc. and that might have been before UR got in so thick with Mark and Moritz at Basic Channel/Hardwax. Sound of Detroit/// True, but it never really worked though, well not in the numbers sense that the label wanted, I also feel that the Face article did a lot of damage - turning techno into something like a cheap consumer product for the style whores - this view changes depending on my mood tho :) Also i found the Chicago arguments interesting, the cross-pollination was definitely there. For 2nd wave detroit/chicago crossover, DBX personified it, btw. Sold big numbers here. So did the early Metroplex records too. It's also funny, classically, DJs here play Salsa Life here more than they play Strings of Life. Same record sales numbers, but different cut for the different city. That was one of the first things i notices when i started going out after moving here 10 years ago. Salsa Life! It's grown on me immensely though, prior to moving here i never gave it a second thought. But it tears up a house room big time. Used to hear this at Red Dog, upstairs smaller room, hot summer night sweatbox... wooo. I only ever remember big mash-ups in the early days, remember hearing Strings at the Hac but I remember hearing a lot more Chicago stuff there than Detroit joints. Voodoo Ray was a magic moment tho... Martin
(313) Man Alive?
We are here on Saturday, if this is Man Alive! I'm not sure. If you fancy a meet up before, hit me back off the list. Martin S23 @Locked - Saturday 25th/Sept/04 Manchester ///// //--- Pacou Angela Flame (Tresor) System 23 (Dust Science) Jay Knight Adam Rayner Locked The Park Nightclub Grosvenor St, off Oxford Rd Manchester 10pm -3am http://www.locked.org.uk/main.htm ///// //--- 1420583 100.00% 692997 100.33% 75558451100.00% Unresolved/Unknown 10 = Screen ///The machines are locked and loaded///Northern Electronic Soul///It's Monday and we can't we for the weekend/// 20 Go To 10 ///Gig to be filmed///Free CD's///There will be dancing and altered states///S23 Out On 22 Sep 2004, at 10:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not sure about Sheffield but Manchester had the Man Alive Martin, you're playing in the old Man Alive on Saturday.
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We are here on Saturday, if this is Man Alive! It's what WAS the Man Alive, if you see what I mean. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Just so that I am still up to date.. are we still arguing over what is the capital city of techno... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2004 10:53 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Man Alive? We are here on Saturday, if this is Man Alive! It's what WAS the Man Alive, if you see what I mean. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The second city P, not the capital - looks like Berlin is out in front... Martin On 22 Sep 2004, at 11:04, placid wrote: Just so that I am still up to date.. are we still arguing over what is the capital city of techno...
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Just so that I am still up to date.. are we still arguing over what is the capital city of techno... Oops sorry. I argue it's detroit, and there's no 2nd city. All the 2nd cities mentioned should be recognised in their own right for their own vibe is my argument. My week off posting isn't going so well is it? Kinda got caught up in the Hacienda thing. I'm shutting up now, over and out. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I (begrudgingly) agree with agent bond. Detroit first.. each other city has had a major influence in the past 15 years...london, berlin, Sheffield, cologne, not forgetting brusselsor wherever fuse club was and where rs came from p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2004 11:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Man Alive? Just so that I am still up to date.. are we still arguing over what is the capital city of techno... Oops sorry. I argue it's detroit, and there's no 2nd city. All the 2nd cities mentioned should be recognised in their own right for their own vibe is my argument. My week off posting isn't going so well is it? Kinda got caught up in the Hacienda thing. I'm shutting up now, over and out. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I argue it's detroit, and there's no 2nd city. All the 2nd cities mentioned should be recognised in their own right for their own vibe is my argument. yeah what he said... :) if you don't take the name (house) but the sound (early house is very techno) into account i'd probably side with chicago if i had to though. but that is just a taste thing as i don't really dig the harder more abrasive sounds. robin...
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also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. (just a personal opinion) Alex *anyone know a good therapist?* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. Hmmm I don't think techno really hit here until the hardcore thing and the early Belgium tracks of late 90.. Up until then, apart from the bas n bleeps it really had all been lumped in together... It was all house to me. P
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On 22 Sep 2004, at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. absolutely. i'd agree with that. it still kinda does when the night playing it plays a big range of music not just techno. there might be some kind of moral in that :) robin...
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It was all house to me. good point. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Cue Abe Duque Blake Baxter... [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 09/22/04 05:54 AMSubject: RE: (313) Man Alive? It was all house to me. good point. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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i'm sorry, but where is here? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. (just a personal opinion) Alex *anyone know a good therapist?* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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On 22 Sep 2004, at 18:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm sorry, but where is here? manchester, uk i think alex got carried away with all the Hac talk :) robin... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. (just a personal opinion) Alex *anyone know a good therapist?*
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Not over there -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Man Alive? i'm sorry, but where is here? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, I forgot to add for what it's worth, I think the Detroit sound had a far greater influence on people than the Chicago sound. (here anyway) e.g. there was a more what the f**k is that? kinda thing going on, it hit people harder, made more people prick their ears up. (just a personal opinion) Alex *anyone know a good therapist?* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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On Sep 22, 2004, at 5:10 AM, Martin Dust wrote: The second city P, not the capital - looks like Berlin is out in front... i've appreciated all sides of the debate, but i concur. After Detroit, it's Berlin. If we are talking kindred TECHNO spirits, who helped get detroit european exposure, collaborations, the whole Hardwax/Basic Channel connection, remember that tresor compilation: Berlin-Detroit: A Techno Alliance ;) yeah you could argue Neil Rushton was doing similar with licensing stuff for Network UK / Kool Kat though... Biorhythms... etc. etc. and that might have been before UR got in so thick with Mark and Moritz at Basic Channel/Hardwax. Also i found the Chicago arguments interesting, the cross-pollination was definitely there. For 2nd wave detroit/chicago crossover, DBX personified it, btw. Sold big numbers here. So did the early Metroplex records too. It's also funny, classically, DJs here play Salsa Life here more than they play Strings of Life. Same record sales numbers, but different cut for the different city. That was one of the first things i notices when i started going out after moving here 10 years ago. Salsa Life! It's grown on me immensely though, prior to moving here i never gave it a second thought. But it tears up a house room big time. Used to hear this at Red Dog, upstairs smaller room, hot summer night sweatbox... wooo. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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-Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2004 21:38 To: Martin Dust Cc: placid; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Man Alive? Also i found the Chicago arguments interesting, the cross-pollination was definitely there. For 2nd wave detroit/chicago crossover, DBX personified it, btw. Sold big numbers here. So did the early Metroplex records too. It's also funny, classically, DJs here play Salsa Life here more than they play Strings of Life. Same record sales numbers, but different cut for the different city. That was one of the first things i notices when i started going out after moving here 10 years ago. Salsa Life! It's grown on me immensely though, prior to moving here i never gave it a second thought. But it tears up a house room big time. Used to hear this at Red Dog, upstairs smaller room, hot summer night sweatbox... wooo. This is the angle I'm interested in too, which no one ever seems to talk about. Around '94-'95 I was just getting my first exposure to Detroit and Chicago other than Mills and Hawtin, which I caught on to slightly earlier. It was the DBX-influenced people that first caught my ear, like Hyperactive and Justin Long from Chicago, Landstrumm, Vogel and Todd Sines (who even released on Contact, which I'm pretty sure was from Chicago - Todd feel free to chime in here), along with DBX. All the Iowa club kids would make the 3-4 hour trek to Chicago more than anyone older, because it was easier to do underage stuff there, and obviously more good talent. These kids, most of them 14-19 at the time, were buying loads of the stuff above alongside Relief, Peacefrog (another obvious DBX - Chicago connection by way of St. Albans), etc. Come to think of it, you can plot a circle just from Sleazy D - DBX - Hyperactive. In my mind minimalism was the major cross-over at the time, although few people I met in Chicago, or who spent a lot of time there would acknowledge the cross-influence. At the time it seemed to me everyone thought each was dogging the other. Which really makes no sense with all this in mind, and given the way Derrick May was caning Preacher Man for half a decade, and the way Spastik and Losing Control were played to death in Chicago. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
