(313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's up with the festival?!?!?!)

2007-02-06 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Despite the existence of The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) (cool,
wording eh?) permitting 'class III' gaming only by native tribes on
reservations or trust lands, you must still apply for a license for such
gaming in the usual way. If for any reason the State or Federal
authorities thinks it's unwise to grant it, you won't get one. In other
words, whilst it's possible for some *exclusivity* to occur on such
lands, there is no preferential treatment in the standards required
before such a license is granted.

Just so we know before we start shooting off our mouths in a damaging
way.

K

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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 February 2007 06:26
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's up with the festival?!?!?!

gosh tom, thats really terrible.

(really)
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's up with the festival?!?!?!


 poor white people! theyre at such a disadvantage here.

 tom

 On 2/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually the UK group they bought it from maintains some of the 
 properties,
 and some of the rights. The deal was a steal, and alot of people were

 upset
 about it because it wasn't the highest offer.
 Also you can't compare poor having nothing Indians with anyone else
in 
 north
 American, because although they are on reservations, they have rights

 that
 supercede Americans. Any reservation can prop up a wooden shed and
shove
 some slot machines inside of there, such as the case of Soaring Eagle
 Casino, on the Isabella Reservation of Mt Plesant, Michigan. I can't
put
 slot machines in my garage and let the neighbors come over and play,
the
 local police would put the smack down on me in a heartbeat. ALSO,
they 
 don't
 have to respect our Labor Laws, and they don't. You get injured on
the 
 job,
 they shoo you right out the door, and get the next poor soul in. Plus
I 
 am
 quite sure they do not pay the same taxes as everyone else. On top of
it,
 they are protected by State Police, and an entire federal gov't. Now
you 
 can
 say they would rather be their own country, but don't say they rose
up 
 from
 nothing like everyone else. Because no other group in the world has
those
 kind of circumstances.
 Have a Nice Day,
 Steve

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 Tom - the Seminoles, as a whole, never signed a peace treaty. Also,
they
 were not all removed from the Florida swamps. They were in poverty
but
 from that they have sprung up to become probably the richest First 
 Nations
 people in the entire US. And they own the Hard Rock Cafe chain.
 Their current revenue is around $1 billion per year. It's thought
that
 each tribe member earns about $7,000 per month just from tribal
revenue
 (casinos provide most of it). Because they own the Hard Rock Cafes
they
 also own everything inside which includes all of the valued
memorabilia -
 mostly that of white culture. Means they've become a museum of
sorts of
 white culture just as our museums own their artifacts. An
interesting
 turn of the tables.

 Yes, the US government was merciless with the Seminole but look into 
 where
 they are today and you'll see that they're doing better than most
white
 middle class communities.
 That was my point. Since this is OT I'll end it there.

 MEK

 Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/05/2007 
 11:31:58
 AM:

  On 2/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   You should read the entire article you posted:
 
  i did. the end of the second seminole war was like this:
 
  Colonel Worth recommended early in 1842 that the remaining
Seminoles
  be left in peace if they would stay in southern Florida. Worth
  eventually received authorization to leave the remaining Seminoles
on
  an informal reservation in southwestern Florida, and to declare an
end
  to the war on a date of his choosing.
 
  also:
 
  Worth returned to Florida at the beginning of November 1842. He
soon
  decided that Tiger Tail and Otiarche had had taken too long to make
up
  their minds on what to do, and ordered that they be brought in.
Tiger
  Tail was so ill that he had to be carried on a litter, and he died
in
  New Orleans waiting for transportation to the Indian territory. The
  other Indians in northern Florida were also captured and sent west.
By
  April 1843 only one regiment, the Eighth Infantry, was still in
  Florida. In November 1843 Worth reported that the only Indians left
in
  Florida were 42 Seminole warriors, 33 Mikasukis, 10 Creeks and 10
  Tallahassees, with women and children bringing the total to about
300.
  Worth also stated that these Indians were all living on the
  reservation and were no longer a threat to the white 

Re: (313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's up with the festival?!?!?!)

2007-02-06 Thread kent williams

Don't mean to single you out, Ken, but ...

As important as the history of Native Americans and their relationship
to European conquerors is to the United States, and perhaps the entire
world, it has F*CK ALL to do with detroit techno.

On 2/6/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Despite the existence of The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) (cool,


RE: (313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's up with the festival?!?!?!)

2007-02-06 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Yeah yeah sure Kent. One day you'll jump in to declare OT when the posts
turn insulting, abusive, just plain misinformed *and* OT one time.


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From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 February 2007 13:51
To: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's
up with the festival?!?!?!)

Don't mean to single you out, Ken, but ...

As important as the history of Native Americans and their relationship
to European conquerors is to the United States, and perhaps the entire
world, it has F*CK ALL to do with detroit techno.

On 2/6/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Despite the existence of The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA)
(cool,


Re: (313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's up with the festival?!?!?!)

2007-02-06 Thread kent williams

I have jumped in and tried to stop abusive threads.  Maybe I've let
things go on longer than some people have wanted, but this isn't a
precise thing, being a list admin.  And I'm an individual with my own
prejudices.  One of them is that I'm not super receptive to Make the
mean man go away e-mails.

I'm not a cop, and you're all big kids.  You're going to have to put
up with a few potholes on the information superhigheway, and a few
jerkos who hog both lanes.  It's actually the only part of being on
the internets that prepares you for real life.

On 2/6/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yeah yeah sure Kent. One day you'll jump in to declare OT when the posts
turn insulting, abusive, just plain misinformed *and* OT one time.




Re: (313) Native American Gaming (Was a long time ago: what's up with the festival?!?!?!)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




Sorry about that Kent - I could have taken it off list earlier.  I just get
angry when people spew lies and misconceptions about what Native Americans
are getting away with.
In a way, it does have to do with Detroit techno just as the African
diaspora has to do with Detroit techno.  Just couldn't find a way to
connect it to Ma Ya Ya or Tobacco Ties yet...

would have gotten there eventually... maybe if conversation had turned to
the Black Seminoles.

;-)
MEK

kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/06/2007 07:51:08 AM:

 Don't mean to single you out, Ken, but ...

 As important as the history of Native Americans and their relationship
 to European conquerors is to the United States, and perhaps the entire
 world, it has F*CK ALL to do with detroit techno.

 On 2/6/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Despite the existence of The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) (cool,