Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Never said the placement bothered me...just that I use them often;-)lol - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 - Original Message - From: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I use the gains for EVERY mixthat's pretty often. We do all covet your mixer though Pete;-) Call me a weirdo, but I like the gains back there. Yes, it's weird at first, but with the fine amount of adjustment needed on gains, and the limited use they get in the mix (I mostly tune the gains in cue), it frees up needed space on the main console to get your grubby fingers between the EQs. If I have any criticism of the Xones, it's that there still isn't enough space between the EQ knobs to really get in there, but I'll make that sacrifice for the nice long volume faders. I think those faders are one of the best things about it. So smooth, clear and acurate. I've used the Pioneer probably as much if not more than I've used my AH, especially @ gigs, but I much prefer the AH 32 after living with it for 6 months. As everyone else has said, its sound, feel and tank-ness far outweigh any additional features other mixers provide. When shopping in March, I also considered the Red Sound Infader (with 3 band cross faders that are super fun), but apparently their durability is really questionable. I also had my eye on the Tascam X-9 for ages, because the features are wicked and it feels plenty solid, but ultimately I don't need all that crap. Get the Xone. It will treat you well. Tristan (who really doesn't like Vestax mixers) === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Personally I'd go for the Allen Heath any day - I'm planning to buy one myself next month. The build and sound quality is much better than the Pioneer, and the Pioneer effects get 'gimmicky' and overused quite quickly. I still quite like using a Pioneer in a club situation where hi-fi sound quality isn't the top priority, and it's easy to use, but the AH just sounds better - and for home use that's much more important... Cheers, Tom Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
I'm in love with my Xone:32 as are all the other dj's that come over to use it from time to time for my after-parties. Top Pick!! The filters and EQ's cannot be beat. -Pete -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Personally I'd go for the Allen Heath any day - I'm planning to buy one myself next month. The build and sound quality is much better than the Pioneer, and the Pioneer effects get 'gimmicky' and overused quite quickly. I still quite like using a Pioneer in a club situation where hi-fi sound quality isn't the top priority, and it's easy to use, but the AH just sounds better - and for home use that's much more important... Cheers, Tom Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
why oh why are the gains on the back panel ?!?!?! Yeah Im sorry this mixers just too good to put into production - its gonna blow the pants of other manufacturers so we're gonna need to come up with some ridiculous flaw to pull it down a peg :/ peace, marc -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:08 PM To: 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I'm in love with my Xone:32 as are all the other dj's that come over to use it from time to time for my after-parties. Top Pick!! The filters and EQ's cannot be beat. -Pete -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Personally I'd go for the Allen Heath any day - I'm planning to buy one myself next month. The build and sound quality is much better than the Pioneer, and the Pioneer effects get 'gimmicky' and overused quite quickly. I still quite like using a Pioneer in a club situation where hi-fi sound quality isn't the top priority, and it's easy to use, but the AH just sounds better - and for home use that's much more important... Cheers, Tom Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
There have been a few complaints about that but to me it's pretty damn intuitive, and if you don't discover them yourself once someone points 'em out they're easy to adjust and get used to. Why waste space on the front UI for something that isn't used *that* often? -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:34 AM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 why oh why are the gains on the back panel ?!?!?! Yeah Im sorry this mixers just too good to put into production - its gonna blow the pants of other manufacturers so we're gonna need to come up with some ridiculous flaw to pull it down a peg :/ peace, marc -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:08 PM To: 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I'm in love with my Xone:32 as are all the other dj's that come over to use it from time to time for my after-parties. Top Pick!! The filters and EQ's cannot be beat. -Pete -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Personally I'd go for the Allen Heath any day - I'm planning to buy one myself next month. The build and sound quality is much better than the Pioneer, and the Pioneer effects get 'gimmicky' and overused quite quickly. I still quite like using a Pioneer in a club situation where hi-fi sound quality isn't the top priority, and it's easy to use, but the AH just sounds better - and for home use that's much more important... Cheers, Tom Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
my only complaint about the Xzone is it physical set up. i have used one twice and the were the channel gains are at is dumb imo they are on the back face plate. there were also no kills, which for sucked, i was playing electro both times and really wanted kills. but for not having the scratch mixer features the volume curves on the channels was like a scratch mixer. but having saying this once i got used to the mixer i know i would love it. my problem with the djm 500 or 600 i they are cheaply built. they dont sound all that bad. they get fuzzy in the high end, i suspect cheap pre-amps. but if you sre going to spend that much cash you should get something that will last. i bought a stanton sk-2f it's very clean sounding straight forward 2 ch, 3 band ch eq's, assingable curve on the cross-fade and ch faders. balanced and rca outs. i've never had a problem with mine, but i had a friend who had problems with his. i think he beat it to hell though, he loaned it to everyone on earth and was/is a fader masher. i won't let him use mine. so i sent two hundred dollars and it is very clean sounding, cleaner then a dmj 500, if it breaks it will meet the trash and i will get a new one. scotto lansing, mi plaztikjezuz.com
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
There have been a few complaints about that but to me it's pretty damn intuitive, and if you don't discover them yourself once someone points 'em out they're easy to adjust and get used to. = not really intuitive at all then ;) I dunno - they could have gone the whole hog and put the xfader on the side panel just for laughs too :] Why waste space on the front UI for something that isn't used *that* often? u don't use gains *that often* How do you maintain a consistent level thru your mixes ? Surely the gains are used far more often than the aux sends which are handily located in there place. I reckon if I had a zone I open it up and swap the aux/gains around. peace, marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Wich mixer is the most durable, the DJM 600 (or 500) or the Xone32? The knobs on my DJM600 are starting to come loose. And when I turn them, sometimes I hear some noise in my speakers. Cheers, Maarten
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
There have been a few complaints about that but to me it's pretty damn intuitive, and if you don't discover them yourself once someone points 'em out they're easy to adjust and get used to. = not really intuitive at all then ;) PG Well for me they were and that's all that matters ;) u don't use gains *that often* How do you maintain a consistent level thru your mixes ? Surely the gains are used far more often than the aux sends which are handily located in there place. I reckon if I had a zone I open it up and swap the aux/gains around. PG Not on every record, no I don't adjust the gains, so that's not as often as everything else I use on the front ( minus the aux ) . Totally agree about the aux gains, you could always wire the Aux outputs in the back into your main stereo mix though ;)
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Hi all, What about Behringer DJX-700 mixer? It is half the price with the same effects. Am planning to get that when i get some cash. That mixer looks like value for money. Regards, Collin. - Original Message - From: Gary Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
aye fair enough - its just a shame...Im still in search of that *perfect* mixer but theres always at least one fundamental flaw with all of the damned things :( Im hoping the new technics and new pioneers might get closer to that utopia ! [reminds me I really need to do some work on that generic mixer idea...] peace, marc -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:02 PM To: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 There have been a few complaints about that but to me it's pretty damn intuitive, and if you don't discover them yourself once someone points 'em out they're easy to adjust and get used to. = not really intuitive at all then ;) PG Well for me they were and that's all that matters ;) u don't use gains *that often* How do you maintain a consistent level thru your mixes ? Surely the gains are used far more often than the aux sends which are handily located in there place. I reckon if I had a zone I open it up and swap the aux/gains around. PG Not on every record, no I don't adjust the gains, so that's not as PG often as everything else I use on the front ( minus the aux ) . Totally agree about the aux gains, you could always wire the Aux outputs in the back into your main stereo mix though ;) -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
I used the behringer at plasa briefly and it sounded a bit dodgy [Im assuming that's the one that the spiting image of the pioneer? ] - Im not sure if that was because of the audio source of headphones connected to the thing though. I'd be interetsed to hear opinions on the behringers actually as a friend is looking at the 200 for his 1st mixer and it looks like really good value [115GPB and it has full VCA, xfader curve, curve adjust on verts, -32db kills, hamster etc etc] peace, marc -Original Message- From: Collin Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:30 PM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Hi all, What about Behringer DJX-700 mixer? It is half the price with the same effects. Am planning to get that when i get some cash. That mixer looks like value for money. Regards, Collin. - Original Message - From: Gary Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
In my opinion Behringer mixers aren't that great. I have no experience with the dj mixers but I do have a MX2642A Eurorack for my studio set up and after only 2 months of use the eq's got noisy. I have had it for 2.5 years now and it appears that the main and bus outputs are going out But for the price I paid I cant complain too much. (I probably got what I paid for, its not a mackie D8b or anything) But... Im wondering why no one has mentioned the Tascam X-9 DJ mixer... Looks like a DJM KILLER to me! http://www.tascam.com/products/product_information.php?product_id=3 too expensive for me right now but I have been drooling over this thing for a while. Mike -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:35 AM To: 'Collin Chen'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I used the behringer at plasa briefly and it sounded a bit dodgy [Im assuming that's the one that the spiting image of the pioneer? ] - Im not sure if that was because of the audio source of headphones connected to the thing though. I'd be interetsed to hear opinions on the behringers actually as a friend is looking at the 200 for his 1st mixer and it looks like really good value [115GPB and it has full VCA, xfader curve, curve adjust on verts, -32db kills, hamster etc etc] peace, marc -Original Message- From: Collin Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:30 PM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Hi all, What about Behringer DJX-700 mixer? It is half the price with the same effects. Am planning to get that when i get some cash. That mixer looks like value for money. Regards, Collin. - Original Message - From: Gary Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
I use the gains for EVERY mixthat's pretty often. We do all covet your mixer though Pete;-) - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Langsman, Marc' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Tom Churchill' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gary Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 There have been a few complaints about that but to me it's pretty damn intuitive, and if you don't discover them yourself once someone points 'em out they're easy to adjust and get used to. Why waste space on the front UI for something that isn't used *that* often? -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:34 AM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 why oh why are the gains on the back panel ?!?!?! Yeah Im sorry this mixers just too good to put into production - its gonna blow the pants of other manufacturers so we're gonna need to come up with some ridiculous flaw to pull it down a peg :/ peace, marc -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:08 PM To: 'Tom Churchill'; Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I'm in love with my Xone:32 as are all the other dj's that come over to use it from time to time for my after-parties. Top Pick!! The filters and EQ's cannot be beat. -Pete -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Gary Robinson; 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 Personally I'd go for the Allen Heath any day - I'm planning to buy one myself next month. The build and sound quality is much better than the Pioneer, and the Pioneer effects get 'gimmicky' and overused quite quickly. I still quite like using a Pioneer in a club situation where hi-fi sound quality isn't the top priority, and it's easy to use, but the AH just sounds better - and for home use that's much more important... Cheers, Tom Sorry for the off topic post, but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on these two mixers. I'm undecided whether to go for Pioneer DJM 500 with built in FX, or the Allen Heath Xone:32 which I've heard is more durable and has a much better sound. If anyone has used either of these and has any advice before I go and check them out, it would be appreciated. Please reply off list. Cheers Gary -- -- -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
Im hoping the new technics and new pioneers might get closer to that utopia ! The new Technics looks friggin' awesome
Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500
- Original Message - From: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT: Xone32 Vs DJM 500 I use the gains for EVERY mixthat's pretty often. We do all covet your mixer though Pete;-) Call me a weirdo, but I like the gains back there. Yes, it's weird at first, but with the fine amount of adjustment needed on gains, and the limited use they get in the mix (I mostly tune the gains in cue), it frees up needed space on the main console to get your grubby fingers between the EQs. If I have any criticism of the Xones, it's that there still isn't enough space between the EQ knobs to really get in there, but I'll make that sacrifice for the nice long volume faders. I think those faders are one of the best things about it. So smooth, clear and acurate. I've used the Pioneer probably as much if not more than I've used my AH, especially @ gigs, but I much prefer the AH 32 after living with it for 6 months. As everyone else has said, its sound, feel and tank-ness far outweigh any additional features other mixers provide. When shopping in March, I also considered the Red Sound Infader (with 3 band cross faders that are super fun), but apparently their durability is really questionable. I also had my eye on the Tascam X-9 for ages, because the features are wicked and it feels plenty solid, but ultimately I don't need all that crap. Get the Xone. It will treat you well. Tristan (who really doesn't like Vestax mixers) === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
