Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-09 Thread Niall Young

underground fighters wrote...
> I hate fucking DJs
> tools! The most tek DJs here in Europe are always
> playing records with the same hard beats and the same
> loops (Djs tools) all the night, like the Advent or
> Adam Beyer. That's boring...

What would you call the Purposemaker series?  Surely the whole 
idea of making 'tools' records to fit in your set is why Mills keeps 
redefining the Purposemaker tracks for his own (and others') use.

I do agree that many European DJs play in a very flat style and do 
not have near enough variation in their sets or in the records they 
play/produce to suit my taste, but I refuse to make grosse 
generisations about that being a product of their continental 
domicile.

It's a simple result of the fact that Detroit music has influenced 
people worldwide and has been adapted into many different 
climates and cultures, creating many interpretations of the original 
D sound.  Surely this evolution is to be encouraged, everything is 
derivative in music; no music is created in a vacuum and I feel 
strongly that this inter-breeding of both European and American 
(and other worldwide) interpretations of techno continue to push it 
forward.

There is a lack of creativity in some of the producers/DJs at 
present, but it is ridiculous to suggest that Europe is stiffling a 
scene that has become worldwide and so influential that there will 
be pretenders on all continents making headlines.

...sorry, this has turned into a bit of a rant!!!...but I do feel very 
strongly that there is good music being made on both sides of the 
atlantic and that time will honour it and forget the plagarists.

Different styles apply to different cultures, it's the cross-
pollenisation of these cultures that ALWAYS results in the 
breaking down of musical barriers.  Keep it up I say.

Peace & respect to all 313ers worldwide...

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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-09 Thread underground fighters
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What does this mean?
> The level of thought displayed on this list is
> inspiring..Let me guess, you play disco-trance...

You're a funny guy ;-)I play all kind of groovy music
with jazz, funk electro background between Lolo
Garnier, Gilles Peterson, Mad Mike, Kenny Dope, Mike
Ink & co and Maurizio & Ernestus. I hate fucking DJs
tools! The most tek DJs here in Europe are always
playing records with the same hard beats and the same
loops (Djs tools) all the night, like the Advent or
Adam Beyer. That's boring. I like Djs like Garnier who
can plays many kind of music in a night.

peace

uf



  

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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Phonopsia
First off, thank you Otto for being the voice of reason.

Second: this whole discussion reminds me of how I felt about Hawtin and
DJ-T1000 when I saw them in Iowa City on separate occasions this spring. I
haven't heard Beyer spin, but hear he's very good. However, if it's anything
like Hawtin (who is undeniably a technical master), I think I would have the
same longing for some kind of melody and drum loops that last more than a
bar. As I understand it, this is typical of the European techno DJing style.
I don't even feel motivated to dance once the drone sets in. Since seeing
Alan spin, I've read his posts with a sense of awe, in that he tends to be
the designated advocate for beating techno sets, but his performance here
was as funky as any I've heard (I think he clarifies his feelings on this
below). He plays music with a funk core, but still tends to have aggressive
beats. I did not get the same feeling from Hawtin at all. While I can marvel
at what he doing with the raw materials, I don't particularly care for them.
Seeing him spin was very cerebral for me, but I don't suspect this would be
true for a non-DJ, or someone who doesn't know what it takes to create
flawlessly at that speed. I think I have a pretty unusual feeling about
this, because it's not often that beats will make me dance. I have to be
into the music on some mental level before my body will respond. However, I
have a purely artistic interest in watching and listening to someone beat
records I don't care for, and tend to enjoy this without dancing. Weird?

Flame retardant: I'm not trying to comment on the quality of the tracks,
just my tastes. Has anyone else noticed the flames tend to get more
aggressive on Mondays? Coincidence or the unexplained???

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>Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set
>particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the
>next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving
and
>forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too,
>with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record
comes
>in and another goes out. Very smooth.
>
>The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow
>doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills.
>
>It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it
isn't
>some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain
Reaction
>shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and
Stacey
>Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all.
>
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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Cyborg K
Word...  Seriously, I do like all the deeper side of house and techno, but 
there is a time and place for banging techno and I think there is a kind of 
funk and soul that is unique to the harder shit.  For one thing, the shit 
may be faster and harder, but it's not some kind of "EXTREME" overhyped teen 
music or anything, and I for one think it can  be sexy and keep those hips 
moving, and it can still be deep even if it's not CEREBRAL.  I think that 
hard and percussive techno is very much an extension of a kind of tribal 
aesthetic, we are electronically recreating timeless rhythmic codes that 
have been used for thousands of years.  Quite possibly, there is something 
political in the assertion of rhythm over melody and harmony--The colonizers 
were always afraid of the "satanic" drum and it's connection to sex and the 
body.  Beyond that though, it's dumb to have to choose between the deeper 
stuff and the banging stuff.  I enjoy making love (aka deeper/mellower 
shit), but sometimes it's nice to just fuck (banging techno).  Why dis 
either?


PS- I'm looking for more tribal house records if anyone has any 
reccommendations, my favorite record on this tip is an old Distance ('96 I 
think) by Alton Miller.  I've got the tribal techno thing under control but 
I need some more shit on the housey tip, slower tempo.




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Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set
particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the
next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving 
and

forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too,
with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes
in and another goes out. Very smooth.

The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow
doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills.

It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it 
isn't

some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain Reaction
shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and Stacey
Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all.

a.

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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread MASTER CONTROL
Well put DJT1000.
Wasn't there that night and haven't been to Detroit, but I'll be damned
if I'll cast judgement on anything as opinion oriented as one's choice in
music. I like the 313 because it normally eminates intelligence. It was
unfortunate that our friend chose to single out a couple of DJ's in a
negative light, but why waste your time starting a chain reaction of
shit.
Beyer has to be doing something right so that people buy so many of his
Drumcode releases and I'm sure that his productions reflects his
performance style, no?? Shit he's throwing down effortlessly on three
tables that requires a heightened level of turntablism, right?? He sounds
like he's got his shit together and not just moving a crossfader. I hope
to hear him and many other styles of DJ's sometime in the near future.
Everyone has the opportunity to be where he is to some extent as far as
this SOB is concerned. So either start practicing or grow a pair and
discuss your artistic differences with Mr. Beyer himself.

Don't take other's opinions so seriously people, take them to stride and
learn,
well... unless you are the target. Then it's Hammurabi's Code
baby!

Shit, not to call myself a hypocrite, but trying to give advise like this
to anyone on the internet makes me feel as cool as that fat-ass comic
book store owner on the Simpsons.

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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread g

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>Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set
>particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the
>next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving
and
>forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too,
>with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record
comes
>in and another goes out. Very smooth.
>
>The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow
>doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills.


Funny, in reading all these posts I was *just* thinking about Bad Brains...
some of the St. Andrews shows.
You can't separate hips from fists, funk from pound.
And Alan is totally correct: damn, I love seeing Stacey.  Damn, I love
seeing Beyer.  And sometimes Metallica is soulful.
Give it a rest.



Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread DJT1000
Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set 
particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the 
next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving and 
forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too, 
with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes 
in and another goes out. Very smooth.

The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow 
doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills.

It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it isn't 
some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain Reaction 
shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and Stacey 
Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all. 

a.


RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread johno
I like Cari Lekebusch better than Adam Beyer for exactly the same reason.
While Adam has a tendancy to focus on hard beats and loops Cari also adds
interesting sounds, effects, twists and turns. I must admit that the last
album by Beyer was already better, but still I feel a bit sorry I bought it
because it remains there in my record boxes. It's a feeling that crept onto
me the last two years; I don't buy all this hardlooped stuff anymore unless
it has something special that makes it unique and inspiring. A good example
are some tracks by Alessandro F on Kobayashi and the label in general. I
also liked the new album by James Ruskin: Point 2. It should be in the
stores by now. I also am lucky to have received an advanced copy of 'Against
Nature' by Karl -Regis- 'O Connor and Peter - Female- Sutton. Needs
checking!

John



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From: Hodgson, S. R. (Sean) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:49 PM
To: Jason Birchmeier; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit


In reply to what Jason wrote,  I totally agree that Adam Beyer & Cari
Lekebusch along with all the other Swedish artist that produce
percussive driving Techno have created a hole new and distinct type of
sound and do take it to a different level and "can not" be compared to
most European Dj's and Artist.  Everybody talks about how innovative the
Detroit artist were.  The Swed's are just as innovative with their own
unique style of music as well. Cari Lekebusch is a master when it comes
to sampling and adding just the right amount of effects to his tracks. 
I guess the point im stressing is that Swedish percussive music by all
means is very distinct and unique and should be appreciated.  And if you
think its just hard techno were you throw your fist in the air and are
sore after your done "Your right". So what, If you really listen to that
type of music you would see that their is alot of physical and emotional
feeling involved

s s   ss   
s s

Jason Birchmeier wrote:
> 
> I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident.
> Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has
> booked for the next month or two.  I bleed techno...
> 
> But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or
Antartica.
> A good DJ is a good DJ.
> 
> I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you,
> but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle.  You really can't
> compare him to your generic Euro DJ.  I'm sure that hard techno isn't for
> everyone.  The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally.  Other
techno
> you feel physically.  And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a
> DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted.
> 
> Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than
most.
> But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday.  What got me
most
> excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down.
> 
> It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back
> music.  But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just
to
> kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies.  Beyer was
> refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and,
> secondly, made people go insane.
> 
> I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice
> against Beyer just because he's from Europe.  I'm sure there are quite a
few
> people on this list from Europe.  Should I dis them?
> 
> Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by
> Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell.  Melody and funk
> are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm.  I have no problem with
that.
> In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts.  All I
hear
> is house whenever I go out.
> 
> In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep.  I prefer music that I can
feel
> emotionally.  Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my
> opinion.  So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in
my
> body.
> 
> You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe.  You should support DJs
for
> their music not for political reasons.
> 
>

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RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Holly C MacDonald-Korth
jason said:
>>>I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you,
but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle.



Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most.
But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday.  What got me most
excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down.



In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep.  I prefer music that I can feel
emotionally.  Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my
opinion.  So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my
body.>>>

how old are you?





Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Giles Dickerson
" Everybody talks about how innovative the
Detroit artist were. "

"WERE" 
h.

-Giles.



Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Hodgson, S. R. (Sean)
In reply to what Jason wrote,  I totally agree that Adam Beyer & Cari
Lekebusch along with all the other Swedish artist that produce
percussive driving Techno have created a hole new and distinct type of
sound and do take it to a different level and "can not" be compared to
most European Dj's and Artist.  Everybody talks about how innovative the
Detroit artist were.  The Swed's are just as innovative with their own
unique style of music as well. Cari Lekebusch is a master when it comes
to sampling and adding just the right amount of effects to his tracks. 
I guess the point im stressing is that Swedish percussive music by all
means is very distinct and unique and should be appreciated.  And if you
think its just hard techno were you throw your fist in the air and are
sore after your done "Your right". So what, If you really listen to that
type of music you would see that their is alot of physical and emotional
feeling involved

s s   ss   
s s

Jason Birchmeier wrote:
> 
> I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident.
> Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has
> booked for the next month or two.  I bleed techno...
> 
> But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or Antartica.
> A good DJ is a good DJ.
> 
> I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you,
> but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle.  You really can't
> compare him to your generic Euro DJ.  I'm sure that hard techno isn't for
> everyone.  The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally.  Other techno
> you feel physically.  And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a
> DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted.
> 
> Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most.
> But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday.  What got me most
> excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down.
> 
> It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back
> music.  But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just to
> kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies.  Beyer was
> refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and,
> secondly, made people go insane.
> 
> I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice
> against Beyer just because he's from Europe.  I'm sure there are quite a few
> people on this list from Europe.  Should I dis them?
> 
> Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by
> Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell.  Melody and funk
> are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm.  I have no problem with that.
> In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts.  All I hear
> is house whenever I go out.
> 
> In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep.  I prefer music that I can feel
> emotionally.  Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my
> opinion.  So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my
> body.
> 
> You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe.  You should support DJs for
> their music not for political reasons.
> 
>


Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread invisible
is it possible that you are a motherfucking psycho ignorant?

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To: trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit


>good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because
>we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ.
>That's  only music for teenies on speed.
>






Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Nathan John de Yonker

Hrm..
That's an odd sentiment. Motor isn't the only club in this town by any
means, and with the DEMF coming up, I don't see anything to complain
about. 

All I know is that I'm gonna go to hart plaza, and see the man who can
make my hips and fists dance at the same time: shake!


> Haye!
> 
> > Too bad Motor doesn't bring in
> > people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph
> > and Stacy Pullen.



Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Counterforce - Lay

Haye!

> Too bad Motor doesn't bring in
> people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph
> and Stacy Pullen.

*** No, too bad I don't get to see Stacey more often here in Europe. The
diference between Stacey and Beyer is that you get to dance with your hips,
not with your fists...
*** Stacey will get you dancing all night long, and your body won't be sored
cause it's not suposed to feel like that heavy metal show you were talking
about. I have a (somewhat old) interview with Stacey at the Counterforce
site (http://barkingcat.org/counterforce) where Stacey refered to the music
in the days of the "rave peak" as "rock'n'roll with a house beat".
*** My opinion is that we're talking two completely different leagues here
when we try to match Beyer and Stacey in a scale. Stacey funks the crowd and
is a Class-A DJ who knows his *music*, he is a top Detroit DJ and producer
who deserves every credit he gets. I like my harder techno too, but give me
Stacey Pullen everyday over Adam Beyer. Not dissing Beyer here, but there is
simply no possible comparison.


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RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Jason Birchmeier
I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident.
Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has
booked for the next month or two.  I bleed techno...

But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or Antartica.
A good DJ is a good DJ.

I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you,
but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle.  You really can't
compare him to your generic Euro DJ.  I'm sure that hard techno isn't for
everyone.  The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally.  Other techno
you feel physically.  And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a
DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted.

Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most.
But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday.  What got me most
excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down.

It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back
music.  But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just to
kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies.  Beyer was
refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and,
secondly, made people go insane.

I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice
against Beyer just because he's from Europe.  I'm sure there are quite a few
people on this list from Europe.  Should I dis them?

Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by
Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell.  Melody and funk
are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm.  I have no problem with that.
In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts.  All I hear
is house whenever I go out.

In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep.  I prefer music that I can feel
emotionally.  Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my
opinion.  So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my
body.

You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe.  You should support DJs for
their music not for political reasons.

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Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:34 AM
To: trak head
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit


good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because
we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ.
That's  only music for teenies on speed.

--- trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer
> for their >residency's
> >rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy
> Pullen.
>
> whoh, hold on a minute.
> don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin
> rocks shit anyway you
> slice it.  I personally like Beyer but his diversity
> is music doesn't
> compare to Mr Pullen's.  Adam will play the same
> bangin ass hard set whether
> it's 12, 2, or 6am.  Not all crowds respond to this
> ritual beating of the
> eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard
> was amazing, but as far
> as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE.
> By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over
> from Stolkholm every
> week, or month for that matter.
>
> I HAD TO DISAGREE-
> Detroit has the best talent in the
> world(collectively)
> for the music we all listen too, support the home
> team.
>
> respect always,
> T
>
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Re: (313) Adam beyer in detroit cont.

2000-05-08 Thread Otto Koppius
The whole issue of Europeans receiving a much warmer welcome than
comparative US/local DJs in Detroit is by no means unique. The same
happens the other way around in Europe and I would suspect in other
places around the world as well. As they say in Dutch: "What you get
from far away, tastes good". A local DJ playing the exact same set as
the international DJ will get a much lesser response. Which perpetuates
the status quo.

Otto


Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread rol leider
It's pretty silly dividing dj's into European and American. There's good and 
bad in both. Granted, my favourite dj moments have been provided by 
Americans, but I've seen some excellent European performers: I just saw 
Herbert lay down a very solid set Saturday night.


I've seen Beyer twice and thought he was pretty good. He does what he does: 
hard techno. I'm sure if you asked he'd tell you he's been inspired by the 
usual Detroit suspects. It's really stupid to throw him in with the 
Eurotrance cheesemeisters.


And talking about Herbert, he put on a great live show before he dj'd. Hard 
to tell what he was doing exactly. He had Dani Siciliano on vocals, and 
someone (whose name I can't remember) on keyboards, and he was running back 
and forward between a whole lot of equipment, throwing live samples into one 
of three microphones then running back to his sampler and doing silly stuff 
with it. He was doing the same sought of thing with Dani's vocals. She would 
sing fairly straight into one of the microphones, get her voice sampled in 
another and then in the third I think Herbert was running her voice through 
a bunch of effects. It looked a little chaotic, but everything played 
smoothly. I think the backing drums were running off a DAT, because all the 
tracks were discrete, rock and roll style, with room for applause before the 
next kicked off.


Anyway, there's a European doing some innovative stuff.

Cheers

Rol

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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread Minimaltek
What does this mean?
The level of thought displayed on this list is inspiring..Let me guess, you 
play disco-trance...


Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread underground fighters
good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because
we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ.
That's  only music for teenies on speed.

--- trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer
> for their >residency's 
> >rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy
> Pullen.
> 
> whoh, hold on a minute.
> don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin
> rocks shit anyway you 
> slice it.  I personally like Beyer but his diversity
> is music doesn't 
> compare to Mr Pullen's.  Adam will play the same
> bangin ass hard set whether 
> it's 12, 2, or 6am.  Not all crowds respond to this
> ritual beating of the 
> eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard
> was amazing, but as far 
> as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE.
> By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over
> from Stolkholm every 
> week, or month for that matter.
> 
> I HAD TO DISAGREE-
> Detroit has the best talent in the
> world(collectively)
> for the music we all listen too, support the home
> team.
> 
> respect always,
> T
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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit

2000-05-08 Thread trak head
...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer for their >residency's 
rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy Pullen.


whoh, hold on a minute.
don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin rocks shit anyway you 
slice it.  I personally like Beyer but his diversity is music doesn't 
compare to Mr Pullen's.  Adam will play the same bangin ass hard set whether 
it's 12, 2, or 6am.  Not all crowds respond to this ritual beating of the 
eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard was amazing, but as far 
as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE.
By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over from Stolkholm every 
week, or month for that matter.


I HAD TO DISAGREE-
Detroit has the best talent in the world(collectively)
for the music we all listen too, support the home team.

respect always,
T


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