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- Original Message - From: Innes Macnee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: (313) the price we pay... it's annoying when there's so many records you want to buy but have to leave half in the shop cos you can't afford them all but i think it's quite expensive to produce vinyl these days and with labels not selling a lot, i don't think there's much they can do about it don't know about other countries but in the UK the price for an import 12 has been about the same since i started buying vinyl, about fifteen years ago (£7-£8), so i'm glad that the price hasn't increased, like it has for most things Yeah, prices here have been quite stable I think, but did anyone else see that article in yesterday's metro about the UK music media purchased last year? For albums it was something like 99%+ on CD but for singles it was something like 52% mp3, 38% CD and 6% vinyl. I was really shocked to see vinyl still has such a big chunk of that market. The article also said it was the best year for music sales since 1998, but I think that meant for UK domestic artists, which is mostly just a reflection of Coldplay, Robbie Williams, James Blunt and Arctic Monkeys. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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-Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2006 09:17 that article in yesterday's metro about the UK music media purchased last year? For albums it was something like 99%+ on CD but for singles it was something like 52% mp3, 38% CD and 6% vinyl. I was really shocked to see vinyl still has such a big chunk of that market. The article also said it was the best year for music sales since 1998, but I think that meant for UK domestic artists, which is mostly just a reflection of Coldplay, Robbie Williams, James Blunt and Arctic Monkeys. I read that and saw it on the news too and although the biggest focus of the pieces was on a supposed resurgence of UK artists - the people you mention were all named along with Gorillaz, Kaiser Chiefs, Katy Tunstall (?) - I'm fairly sure that it was music sales as a whole that were up. Wait a minute - I recycle! (even at the office - goes to paper bin, finds Metro). No, maybe I'm wrong, it's a bit unclear whether it means UK artist sales or sales as a whole, sounds like UK but maybe it was the TV stuff that made me think overall. Anyway here's the splits: albums: 99.7% CD 0.2% vinyl 0.1% other (cassette, download etc.) singles: 52% download 39.8% CD 6.5% vinyl 1.7 % other (MD, cassette etc.) think the thing I find odd is the difference between the 2 - obviously there's a body of people who just like to get the latest chart sounds knocking about (who probably account for a good portion of online music sales) much more likely to go for a track but maybe would buy the album on CD but for downloads to be splitting 0.1% with cassettes in LPs and be the majority of single sales is quite a hike.
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albums: 99.7% CD 0.2% vinyl 0.1% other (cassette, download etc.) singles: 52% download 39.8% CD 6.5% vinyl 1.7 % other (MD, cassette etc.) I don't believe that data. Are they classifying each individual track dl'd (say from iTMS) as a single even if it's normally part of an album? They must be. robin...
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- Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: (313) the price we pay... albums: 99.7% CD 0.2% vinyl 0.1% other (cassette, download etc.) singles: 52% download 39.8% CD 6.5% vinyl 1.7 % other (MD, cassette etc.) I don't believe that data. Are they classifying each individual track dl'd (say from iTMS) as a single even if it's normally part of an album? They must be. I think they must be messing with it in some way. The thing is, maybe people are downloading 4 tracks from an album, or perhaps if they download just the single from the album, it gets counted as a single rather than as the whole album. It would be hard to get the figures exactly right since the old categories don't really translate one-to-one. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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-Original Message- From: seek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Price of gasoline increase = price of vinyl increase. Vinyl = fossil fuels = dinosaurs = doomed. Sad, but true. Seek *** I cadged the below from Wikipedia on poly vinyl chloride (PVC) essential component of vinyl records. Apparently, vinyl is bad for your health as well as your wallet (although the link is not so clear-cut.) Alternative plasticizers are being developed but these alternatives remain significantly more expensive and their technical performance is sometimes not as good as for phthalates. It is also unclear whether these alternatives really represent a reduction in health risk. So the price of records is not likely to stop edging up for a while, and the alternatives aren't cheaper to make, so when crude oil gets too expensive and the alternatives kick-in, the prices mightn't come down on that basis. Hurrah. Ken
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I cadged the below from Wikipedia on poly vinyl chloride (PVC) essential component of vinyl records. Apparently, vinyl is bad for your health as well as your wallet (although the link is not so clear-cut.) Alternative plasticizers are being developed but these alternatives remain significantly more expensive and their technical performance is sometimes not as good as for phthalates. It is also unclear whether these alternatives really represent a reduction in health risk. This record is made from such alternative: http://www.discogs.com/release/234514 I cannot remember the name of the material but it wears lot faster than your ordinary vinyl. -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
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I love dj'ing from vinyl, but these days it doesn't really matter to me what format the music comes in. These days it's cheaper and more fun to make music yourself. However, it'll be a sad day when NSC or Dubplates Mastering has to shut its doors due to an oil crisis. P peterlasell.net --- Jari Tolkkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I cadged the below from Wikipedia on poly vinyl chloride (PVC) essential component of vinyl records. Apparently, vinyl is bad for your health as well as your wallet (although the link is not so clear-cut.) Alternative plasticizers are being developed but these alternatives remain significantly more expensive and their technical performance is sometimes not as good as for phthalates. It is also unclear whether these alternatives really represent a reduction in health risk. This record is made from such alternative: http://www.discogs.com/release/234514 I cannot remember the name of the material but it wears lot faster than your ordinary vinyl. -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dubplates Mastering has to shut its doors due to an oil crisis. *touches wood* btw, my dad has worked 35 + years in oil exploration as a geophyiscist and he reckons the world has enough oil resources for another 100-150 years...i just hope he has taken india and china into account we he made this assessment
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*touches wood* btw, my dad has worked 35 + years in oil exploration as a geophyiscist and he reckons the world has enough oil resources for another 100-150 years...i just hope he has taken india and china into account we he made this assessment i don't doubt it. can we handle the subsequent trouble caused by the politics in getting that oil though? way way off topic though now aren't we? :) robin...
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They'll be shutting their doors, way before any Oil Crisis. The real crisis for Vinyl is consumers and lack of them. That will be the end of vinyl WAY before any oil problems. Dave peter lasell wrote: I love dj'ing from vinyl, but these days it doesn't really matter to me what format the music comes in. These days it's cheaper and more fun to make music yourself. However, it'll be a sad day when NSC or Dubplates Mastering has to shut its doors due to an oil crisis. P peterlasell.net --- Jari Tolkkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I cadged the below from Wikipedia on poly vinyl chloride (PVC) essential component of vinyl records. Apparently, vinyl is bad for your health as well as your wallet (although the link is not so clear-cut.) Alternative plasticizers are being developed but these alternatives remain significantly more expensive and their technical performance is sometimes not as good as for phthalates. It is also unclear whether these alternatives really represent a reduction in health risk. This record is made from such alternative: http://www.discogs.com/release/234514 I cannot remember the name of the material but it wears lot faster than your ordinary vinyl. -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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- Original Message - From: fab. btw, my dad has worked 35 + years in oil exploration as a geophyiscist and he reckons the world has enough oil resources for another 100-150 years...i just hope he has taken india and china into account we he made this assessment http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ In practical and considerably oversimplified terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of global Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980. However, the world's population in 2020 will be both much larger (approximately twice) and much more industrialized (oil-dependent) than it was in 1980. Consequently, worldwide demand for oil will outpace worldwide production of oil by a significant margin. As a result, the price will skyrocket, oil-dependant economies will crumble, and resource wars will explode.
(313) the price we pay...
anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? this addiction is wrecking my budget rant MEK
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On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? this addiction is wrecking my budget rant if you can get records straight from their source its nice and cheap. otherwise, in this poor economy and especially with the dollar falling against foreign currencies so much, everyone needs to take their bit to get by and it leaves us at the very end hurting. thankfully there's not that much good music coming out thats new compared to the treasure trove of older goodies available for almost nothing.. tom
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no kidding man, $10-$14 for a single 12 record is frustrating... i hate to say it, but i've been pricing CD mixers lately. The fact that Warp, Kompakt, Beatport, iTunes, and now Submerge all provide great selections of MP3's is becoming very tempting and hard to ignore. Of course I imagine I will continue buying vinyl, only in smaller quantities, as has been the case for a while now. oh technology... Adamm On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? this addiction is wrecking my budget rant MEK
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? Price of gasoline increase = price of vinyl increase. Vinyl = fossil fuels = dinosaurs = doomed. Sad, but true. seek
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no no no - we can start by recycling old sneakers MEK seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net To 313@hyperreal.org 02/15/06 01:24 PM cc Subject Re: (313) the price we pay... - Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? Price of gasoline increase = price of vinyl increase. Vinyl = fossil fuels = dinosaurs = doomed. Sad, but true. seek
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we should start making dinosaurs again then MEK seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net To 313@hyperreal.org 02/15/06 01:24 PM cc Subject Re: (313) the price we pay... - Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? Price of gasoline increase = price of vinyl increase. Vinyl = fossil fuels = dinosaurs = doomed. Sad, but true. seek
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it's annoying when there's so many records you want to buy but have to leave half in the shop cos you can't afford them all but i think it's quite expensive to produce vinyl these days and with labels not selling a lot, i don't think there's much they can do about it don't know about other countries but in the UK the price for an import 12 has been about the same since i started buying vinyl, about fifteen years ago (£7-£8), so i'm glad that the price hasn't increased, like it has for most things if it's a great record, then i consider it money well spent, as i'll listen to it hundreds of times, compared to a book that i'll read once and then it'll sit and gather dust (not that i don't buy books, but if i had a choice it would be a record every time) i know a lot of stuff is being sold on mp3 sites like bleep these days, but give me the vinyl every time...
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On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should start making dinosaurs again then i can only hope and pray than once i die, my remains somehow end up under enough pressure that they turn into oil and thus vinyl really quickly so that i can one day be pressed up and played! to
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight I'd rather see a remake of 'Duel'. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9b/Duel_DVD.jpg/250px-Duel_DVD.jpg seek we should start making dinosaurs again then MEK seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net To 313@hyperreal.org 02/15/06 01:24 PM cc Subject Re: (313) the price we pay... - Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight anyone else really put off by the cost of a 12 record these days? Price of gasoline increase = price of vinyl increase. Vinyl = fossil fuels = dinosaurs = doomed. Sad, but true. seek
