Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!)
- Original Message - From: "robin pinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!) > titonton - never letting go (dan curtin rmx) Oi. I reckon this is a fine one too. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email <- AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!)
Now c'mon guys. Be nice, will ya? The man's trying to understand and explore the messages behind Detroit Techno. Its not all just about Artists and Titles. Like Mike says, alot of this music are the dreams of artists who live in Detroit. Why do they have these dreams? Is it because these dreams are based on the truths that many are not willing to admit or want to sweep under the rug? I'm not saying we have to talk about them everyday but when it comes up, please show some respect to those who are looking for deeper answers. If you have nothing to enlighten us all with, then delete the post and move on. Peace, Glyph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, enough with the armchair philosophy and politics - if you really want to do something constructive - the 313 list (add the entire internet to that) is not the place to get it done - your community/neighborhood is. Get away from the computer and be active - then maybe you can come back and tell us what you did to make it a better place but sitting around talking metaphysics isn't going to do it. Vote Nader. Thank you. MEK Jussi Lehtonen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: Somewhere in Internet <313@hyperreal.org> pl.fi> Subject: Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!) 01/31/02 10:13 AM On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can think off - How about taking this conversation to alt.culture.* or alt.metaphysics.* or if newsgroups aren't your thing to some web-forum. Perhaps I'm the only one but this thread (among few other self-evident recent ones) has grown very boring and I'm tired of hitting delete. I just "lve" acting as net police... J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman "Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control." - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!)
> > Yeah, enough with the armchair philosophy and politics - if you really want > to do something constructive - the 313 list (add the entire internet to > that) is not the place to get it done - your community/neighborhood is. Get > away from the computer and be active - then maybe you can come back and > tell us what you did to make it a better place but sitting around talking > metaphysics isn't going to do it. Vote Nader. Thank you. i partially agree with you but like or not 313 will always veer toward that kind of discussion due to the deeper ended nature of the music (check Mike Banks inspirational words, then check his music!) so MEK what music are you really feeling at the moment? (to bring the conv. on topic) me i'm into 313 techno more than ever (after being into it for many years, playing house, electro, etc i alwasy come back around to 313) some tunes i'm feeling at the mo: suburban knight vs. locutus (dark quest (unfinished journey) on bipolar bolz bolz 'take a walk' dj bone mix (let that bass growl!!) red planet 9 - prayer stick (so when's rp10 due?) ratio rmxed- dan bell mix titonton - never letting go (dan curtin rmx) frankie bones - black and white (obvious sample, nice dark treatment) funk d'void - diabla (kevin 'master reese' saunderson mix) fix - flash (origianl mix, a work of pure funk genius) 3rd from the sun - 3rd from the sun (drum programming!!) gary martin - in rythem (orig mix) (teknotika) (how under-rated is this guy?) over to you folks. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!)
Yeah, enough with the armchair philosophy and politics - if you really want to do something constructive - the 313 list (add the entire internet to that) is not the place to get it done - your community/neighborhood is. Get away from the computer and be active - then maybe you can come back and tell us what you did to make it a better place but sitting around talking metaphysics isn't going to do it. Vote Nader. Thank you. MEK Jussi Lehtonen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: Somewhere in Internet <313@hyperreal.org> pl.fi> Subject: Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING!) 01/31/02 10:13 AM On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D > > the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can > think off - How about taking this conversation to alt.culture.* or alt.metaphysics.* or if newsgroups aren't your thing to some web-forum. Perhaps I'm the only one but this thread (among few other self-evident recent ones) has grown very boring and I'm tired of hitting delete. I just "lve" acting as net police... J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman "Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control." - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks (BORING! )
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D > > the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can > think off - How about taking this conversation to alt.culture.* or alt.metaphysics.* or if newsgroups aren't your thing to some web-forum. Perhaps I'm the only one but this thread (among few other self-evident recent ones) has grown very boring and I'm tired of hitting delete. I just "lve" acting as net police... J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman "Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control." - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks
1 inbetween - 1 shorty - bout Identity - the culture is a construction based on the things we got planted inside :D and the things we choose ourself.. the idea of a nation is the most negative methaphysical construction I can think off - but it is a methapysical idea that became reality long time ago - people have feet to walk over the land, built machines to drive, swim and fly - but people are regulated by the idea of territory I have two passports 4 real and I can enter other territorys different then people coming from Africa - I have much better chances to make an easy living - this is unfair - and it´s reality - dont stop moving - -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
all I can say to this is:
word.
:)
-Joe
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Subject: Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
So let see if I get this rightwhat you are saying is because of a
question that was raised about how Layo & Bushwacka! are behind the desks,
which in turn broke off into a discussion about tech-house and the UK side
of it - which predominantly is heralded in the press by people with
Caucasian physical features - we are now actively, though unconsciously,
engaged in the oppression of Palestine, Northern Ireland, and Nigeria?
>- me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ -
>nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction,
>but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face
You are confusing nationality with culture and lineage - your lineage is
Ewok/German - your nationality is whatever country you have your
citizenship in, and your culture is whatever group of people you identify
with. Example: An Jewish Ethiopian naturalized into the US. This particular
person's nationality is American, their culture is Jewish and their lineage
is Ethiopian. Your nationality is not a metaphysical construction - your
culture is. And there is no excuse for poor spelling - your computer will
even do it for you.
MEK
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01/30/02 Subject: [313] ain´t no Ewoks -
this is getting serious
03:25 PM
Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ?
I thought they would be from London - Ewokland -
I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos)
and though some friend just sent me "whip the Ewoks"
I´m gonna stop the joking now,
as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff -
let me xplain - it´s gonna get 313-related and it´s gonna get heavy -
- me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ -
nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction,
but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face
in this reality England and Germany and some other Nations as France,
the USA cauzed and still cauze so much horror in the line of history -
theese Nations repressed and killed countless people and culturez,
other national constructionz and move them around on the big plate,
they fight all the time various dirty games for the structures of "world
order" -
- Ghetto-reality, Palestine, Isreal (a part in a game too), Nigeria,
Ireland
etc..
cauze of that
- many people in Detroit still live under bad circumstances -
cauze of that
- the biggest continent Africa, the major source - is kept in a mess
cauze of that
now -
all music we hear nowadays is connected to the history line -
music always is (transformed by artists) -
if there´s Kraftwerks idea of creating "tribal music",
if it´s about the rolling stones stealing from blues-artists,
the rock´n roll robbery by elvis etc...
if it´s about the alien-thing by many black artists as sun ra, george
clinton, 4hero
This list is about the "313-construction"
It was started cauze of "techno-music" coming from Detroit
Most artists are black artists who created this music,
now the views of many people about this music are coming from various
perspectives,
but why is it that it happens that people highlight certain "european and
white"
musical influences, even more then the historical afro-american background
of it ?
I feel the amount of theese influences mentioned here is not in the right
relation to the main basis and main source of much of the music -
this shows a picture, that is changing the meaning
the Ewok-joke was a silly inspiration to question the way
of understanding music the "English" do, which also does have
it´s certain tradition in the line of history... (highlighting the
pop-aspect)
See, I don´t want to be over- preachy
and I feel much love 4 "this house is our house"-vision,
and am so gratefull this door is still opened by artists
though the shit keeps happening all the time -
but I think we all do have the responsibility
to take care ... much more care ...
and that means to enjoy the music and the party of course,
to enjoy it 100 %,
but as long as I feel things are getting pulled into a certain direction,
that seems to be a part of stealing or redefining the 313-culture
in a "classical colonial" tradition,
there will be those wrong spelled grammar f***ing preachy mails,
and understand,
when I´m doing
Re: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
So let see if I get this rightwhat you are saying is because of a question that was raised about how Layo & Bushwacka! are behind the desks, which in turn broke off into a discussion about tech-house and the UK side of it - which predominantly is heralded in the press by people with Caucasian physical features - we are now actively, though unconsciously, engaged in the oppression of Palestine, Northern Ireland, and Nigeria? >- me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ - >nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction, >but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face You are confusing nationality with culture and lineage - your lineage is Ewok/German - your nationality is whatever country you have your citizenship in, and your culture is whatever group of people you identify with. Example: An Jewish Ethiopian naturalized into the US. This particular person's nationality is American, their culture is Jewish and their lineage is Ethiopian. Your nationality is not a metaphysical construction - your culture is. And there is no excuse for poor spelling - your computer will even do it for you. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] x.netTo: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 01/30/02 Subject: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious 03:25 PM Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ? I thought they would be from London - Ewokland - I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos) and though some friend just sent me "whip the Ewoks" I´m gonna stop the joking now, as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff - let me xplain - it´s gonna get 313-related and it´s gonna get heavy - - me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ - nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction, but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face in this reality England and Germany and some other Nations as France, the USA cauzed and still cauze so much horror in the line of history - theese Nations repressed and killed countless people and culturez, other national constructionz and move them around on the big plate, they fight all the time various dirty games for the structures of "world order" - - Ghetto-reality, Palestine, Isreal (a part in a game too), Nigeria, Ireland etc.. cauze of that - many people in Detroit still live under bad circumstances - cauze of that - the biggest continent Africa, the major source - is kept in a mess cauze of that now - all music we hear nowadays is connected to the history line - music always is (transformed by artists) - if there´s Kraftwerks idea of creating "tribal music", if it´s about the rolling stones stealing from blues-artists, the rock´n roll robbery by elvis etc... if it´s about the alien-thing by many black artists as sun ra, george clinton, 4hero This list is about the "313-construction" It was started cauze of "techno-music" coming from Detroit Most artists are black artists who created this music, now the views of many people about this music are coming from various perspectives, but why is it that it happens that people highlight certain "european and white" musical influences, even more then the historical afro-american background of it ? I feel the amount of theese influences mentioned here is not in the right relation to the main basis and main source of much of the music - this shows a picture, that is changing the meaning the Ewok-joke was a silly inspiration to question the way of understanding music the "English" do, which also does have it´s certain tradition in the line of history... (highlighting the pop-aspect) See, I don´t want to be over- preachy and I feel much love 4 "this house is our house"-vision, and am so gratefull this door is still opened by artists though the shit keeps happening all the time - but I think we all do have the responsibility to take care ... much more care ... and that means to enjoy the music and the party of course, to enjoy it 100 %, but as long as I feel things are getting pulled into a certain direction, that seems to be a part of stealing or r
RE: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
no more drugs for *you*. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:26 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ? I thought they would be from London - Ewokland - I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos) and though some friend just sent me "whip the Ewoks" I´m gonna stop the joking now, as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff - let me xplain - it´s gonna get 313-related and it´s gonna get heavy - - me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ - nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction, but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face in this reality England and Germany and some other Nations as France, the USA cauzed and still cauze so much horror in the line of history - theese Nations repressed and killed countless people and culturez, other national constructionz and move them around on the big plate, they fight all the time various dirty games for the structures of "world order" - - Ghetto-reality, Palestine, Isreal (a part in a game too), Nigeria, Ireland etc.. cauze of that - many people in Detroit still live under bad circumstances - cauze of that - the biggest continent Africa, the major source - is kept in a mess cauze of that now - all music we hear nowadays is connected to the history line - music always is (transformed by artists) - if there´s Kraftwerks idea of creating "tribal music", if it´s about the rolling stones stealing from blues-artists, the rock´n roll robbery by elvis etc... if it´s about the alien-thing by many black artists as sun ra, george clinton, 4hero This list is about the "313-construction" It was started cauze of "techno-music" coming from Detroit Most artists are black artists who created this music, now the views of many people about this music are coming from various perspectives, but why is it that it happens that people highlight certain "european and white" musical influences, even more then the historical afro-american background of it ? I feel the amount of theese influences mentioned here is not in the right relation to the main basis and main source of much of the music - this shows a picture, that is changing the meaning the Ewok-joke was a silly inspiration to question the way of understanding music the "English" do, which also does have it´s certain tradition in the line of history... (highlighting the pop-aspect) See, I don´t want to be over- preachy and I feel much love 4 "this house is our house"-vision, and am so gratefull this door is still opened by artists though the shit keeps happening all the time - but I think we all do have the responsibility to take care ... much more care ... and that means to enjoy the music and the party of course, to enjoy it 100 %, but as long as I feel things are getting pulled into a certain direction, that seems to be a part of stealing or redefining the 313-culture in a "classical colonial" tradition, there will be those wrong spelled grammar f***ing preachy mails, and understand, when I´m doing the same kind of mistakes please tell me and teach me - shoutz m -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] ain´t no Ewoks - this is getting serious
Swayzak - they are not Ewoks ? I thought they would be from London - Ewokland - I´m very sorry (Scottish people ain´t no Ewkos) and though some friend just sent me "whip the Ewoks" I´m gonna stop the joking now, as there also was some serious thought behind this silly stuff - let me xplain - it´s gonna get 313-related and it´s gonna get heavy - - me myself - I am half-ewok and half of a germ - nationality to me is a damned metaphysical construction, but the world is built on this, so it´s a reality I have to face in this reality England and Germany and some other Nations as France, the USA cauzed and still cauze so much horror in the line of history - theese Nations repressed and killed countless people and culturez, other national constructionz and move them around on the big plate, they fight all the time various dirty games for the structures of "world order" - - Ghetto-reality, Palestine, Isreal (a part in a game too), Nigeria, Ireland etc.. cauze of that - many people in Detroit still live under bad circumstances - cauze of that - the biggest continent Africa, the major source - is kept in a mess cauze of that now - all music we hear nowadays is connected to the history line - music always is (transformed by artists) - if there´s Kraftwerks idea of creating "tribal music", if it´s about the rolling stones stealing from blues-artists, the rock´n roll robbery by elvis etc... if it´s about the alien-thing by many black artists as sun ra, george clinton, 4hero This list is about the "313-construction" It was started cauze of "techno-music" coming from Detroit Most artists are black artists who created this music, now the views of many people about this music are coming from various perspectives, but why is it that it happens that people highlight certain "european and white" musical influences, even more then the historical afro-american background of it ? I feel the amount of theese influences mentioned here is not in the right relation to the main basis and main source of much of the music - this shows a picture, that is changing the meaning the Ewok-joke was a silly inspiration to question the way of understanding music the "English" do, which also does have it´s certain tradition in the line of history... (highlighting the pop-aspect) See, I don´t want to be over- preachy and I feel much love 4 "this house is our house"-vision, and am so gratefull this door is still opened by artists though the shit keeps happening all the time - but I think we all do have the responsibility to take care ... much more care ... and that means to enjoy the music and the party of course, to enjoy it 100 %, but as long as I feel things are getting pulled into a certain direction, that seems to be a part of stealing or redefining the 313-culture in a "classical colonial" tradition, there will be those wrong spelled grammar f***ing preachy mails, and understand, when I´m doing the same kind of mistakes please tell me and teach me - shoutz m -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
